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A jolly good bicycle

oneeyedjack909oneeyedjack909 Registered User regular
edited January 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I need a good bicycle that is equally good at cruising the streets of the big city and the trails when the weekend comes around. My friend said I want front and back disk brakes. I've been looking at the folding bikes for the purpose of storage in a small apartment but my biking buddy says they suck. Give me some brands to look into and basically what i should look for. Money is not a major issue but I dont want something that costs more than my car. thanks

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I bought a Haro bike I tried out at a bike shop, and it works well for what I do (just travelling around town), and the price was really good . I would suggest just going to a local bike shop and trying out a few, you may be suprised at what you can find there.

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  • ThreelemmingsThreelemmings Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I can't give any first hand advice on the folding bike, but I do know there are some really good ones out there if you look; they aren't all awful.

    Disc brakes are very nice, but be aware maintenance can be more expensive than other kinds, and difficult to repair/replace/work with, and you may need specialized tools to take care of them (if you do that sort of thing yourself). Also, they don't work with every single bike depending on how the cassette and derailleur are situated. That said, they are extremely effective, so if none of this troubles you too much than go for it; the single reason I don't use them is because I bike long distance and couldn't fix them on the road.

    I have a hybrid road bike for city travel and it suits me quite well; it's a Raleigh, and I've enjoyed it immensely as it's geared well for both hills and straightaways. Brands aside, I would recommend a hybrid with fat-ish tires if you're going to be using it on trails, as long as they aren't mountain biking trails. Anything related to that needs better shocks and frame than most hybrids can offer.

    If it is mountain biking you do on the weekends, your best bet is to get an actual mountain bike, but look for something fairly lightweight with slimmer tires, and that should serve you just fine.

    tl;dr: Disc brakes mostly ok, Raleigh is an option for road/hybrid unless the trails you ride are too rough.

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  • Forbe!Forbe! Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hybrids are the way to go. I own a Trek FX 7.3 and it has been great. The city I'm in is fairly hilly, so it gives me great performance on hills/straight aways. Also, I can handle non-paved paths/fields on this.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    I have a Jamis Commuter 2.0 that pretty much makes biking to work the best thing that happens to me on a daily basis during the summer.

    Beware though, those awesome 700cc tires that make city riding so great are not a good choice for trail riding. The wheels are much thinner and tend to be made of lightweight materials that will not hold up well if you smash into a rock or a stump or take jumps with them. Also you'll be stuck changing tires very regularly as the perfect commuter tire (nearly treadless, very flat) is the worst possible trail tire, and vice versa. Trail tires ought to be knobby and heavy and tough.

    Hybrid bikes ARE a good choice for most applications, but if you're going to be doing trail riding with someone serious enough to recommend disc brakes you're probably going to want a mountain bike.

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  • Nitsuj82Nitsuj82 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Oooh, a bike thread.

    I bought my girlfriend one of these: http://www.raleighusa.com/items.asp?deptid=7&itemid=400

    Here's the thing. If you don't plan on riding on major trails, you don't need suspension on the fork. It's a waste of energy. Also, disc brakes aren't a necessity. I had some on my hybrid (they don't make it anymore, but it was the Route 24 from 2006...wish I never sold it), and they were cool, but not necessary.

    Bottom line is, make sure you get a bike with a good wheelset. That's probably the most important part of the build.

    It would help if we knew your size too.

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  • ProtoProto Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I need a good bicycle that is equally good at cruising the streets of the big city and the trails when the weekend comes around. My friend said I want front and back disk brakes. I've been looking at the folding bikes for the purpose of storage in a small apartment but my biking buddy says they suck. Give me some brands to look into and basically what i should look for. Money is not a major issue but I dont want something that costs more than my car. thanks

    Giving a price range would help.

    The type of bike you need really depends on the type of biking you think you'll be doing the most. Light trail riding and some city riding? I'd say a light duty mountain bike might be better if you are doing more offroad stuff. A hybrid will be great for the road but you might have problems on the trails with one (really depends on brand). Another option is a cyclocross bike (road bike set up for offroad use...wider 700c tires, etc.) those tend to run on the expensive side and might not really work for you.

    From what you are saying, disc brakes aren't necessary. You really only need them for downhill or really aggressive trail riding. Still, they come on standard on most mountain bikes these days, so take em if you can get them.

    Folding bikes are really only useful if you plan on travelling with your bike. Otherwise don't bother, just something else that will increase the price and decrease your selection.


    Basically:

    If you think you are going to ride offroad a lot I'd go with a hardtail (no rear shocks) mountain bike with front suspension, with or without disc brakes. The front suspension isn't necessary if you are staying on the street a lot, but adds comfort on the trails.

    If you are going to stay in the city most of the time, look to a hybrid. Also, if you do go with a hybrid, keep in mind that the front suspension on a mountain and a hybrid are set up differently, on a hybrid the suspension is designed for a smooth city ride more then anything, so there is a lot less travel to it.


    Brands to look at (a price range would help narrow these down a bit):
    Kona
    Salsa
    Giant
    Gary Fisher
    Rocky Mountain
    Surly
    (my commuter is a Surly Cross-Check. I highly recommend Surly, they have a nice frame called the Karate-Monkey which you could build a great bike around. It doesn't come as a complete bike though, so that might make it a little more expensive then you want.)


    Finally:
    Visit a bunch of local bike shops, talk to the people there, tell them what you want to do with your bike and see what they recommend. Go to more then one store and buy from a place where you like the people the best. Most places give free tuneups for a least a year with a new bike.

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  • BartholamueBartholamue Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Yeah, the store I bought mine from offered lifetime tuneups for my bike, which is nice.

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  • Nitsuj82Nitsuj82 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Yeah, and one other thing...DON'T BUY YOUR BIKE FROM PERFORMANCE.

    Thanks.

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Disk brakes do nothing that normal brakes dont
    They're just an excuse to slap $300 on the price tag

    Back suspension does very little, when you need it, you'll be standing anyway, it also reduces the power of your push, and makes you quite tired, front suspension is a must though.

    You'll want a specific type of gears too, my dad calls them quickfire gears
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  • Nitsuj82Nitsuj82 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    ^^^
    Those types of shifters are pretty common. Basically, there's a lever for up, and one for down.

    OP, what are you thinking so far? What's the price range?

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    I've heard them referred to as quickfire as well, and they're common on bikes that cost more than a couple hundred $s.

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  • enderwiggin13enderwiggin13 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I can vouch for Gary Fisher bikes being high quality. I've got a Marlin, but it's a hardtail offroad bike with Bontrager offroad tires, so probably not what you're looking for.

    You've really gotta determine if you want a road bike that can go offroad sometimes or an offroad bike that can go on the road sometimes. I've never seen a pure hybrid that excels at both. You also want to set a price range. I'd avoid disc brakes initially, you can always add them later if you find that pad brakes aren't cutting it for you. I like my disc brakes, but only put them on the bike after having the pads slip on me while doing some tough trails in the rain/mud.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    After glancing over the Jamis line I'd suggest trying out a Coda or a Coda Sport if you have the cash. Get your buddy's opinion on whether he'd be comfortable with either bike on a trail though, as they're still pretty lightweight. Still, they come with 700x28s, which are going to probably be the best trail wheel short of 26" MTB wheels. I'm just thinking back to when I switched from a cheap mountain bike to my Commuter 2.0 and my ride to work went from 45 minutes to 30 over night. Knobby ass 26" wheels and heavy mountain bike frames really aren't your buddies when you're trying to get across town.

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  • Nitsuj82Nitsuj82 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    700x28 isn't that big. It's what I have on my fixed gear (also a FUN option for the OP), and it's good for just cruising around town. I'd go at least 700x40 if you want to ride on a trail with anything more than pea gravel on it.

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  • PheezerPheezer Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    I wasn't aware that there were options above 700x28. I'm on 700x23s myself and I love it.

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  • fuelishfuelish Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If you want to ride single track you will need a 26" wheel mountian bike. You can get a good starter bike from the local bike shop starting about $300. It will have linear pull rim brakes. an alluminum frame. freehub rear wheel and a basic suspension fork(no damping) Another $100 will get you disk brakes, which you really don't need unless you ride in the wet a bunch.
    If you just want to go off pavement then a cyclocross bike, with 700c wheels, would be a good choice. But they are going to be three times the entry price of a mountain bike. Faster than a mountian bike, rack eyelets for racks to carry stuff. lots of clearance at the chain stays and fork for big tires(You can get 700c tires in offroad tread patterns in sizes over 45mm) Consider a Specialized Tricross.
    Fixed gears are fun on the pavement, not so much offroad. You can get them prebuilt from several companies. But converting one from an old road bike, with horizontal drops, is a fun project.

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