First off welcome to the Hunter thread. Now that our cordials out of the way. Lemme start off by saying While you Druids have been rolling your hots with impunity you may not have noticed the clear obscene over representation of your class in the Arena. You and I know there must be a reason why, and we both know what it is . It's the unarguably simple fact that all the best players are Druids.
Heres the Blue post info that proves you're the best ...around , nothing's ever gonna keep you down.
"One of the things we look at is class representation in arenas (although normalized for class popularity). In this particular chart, a value of 100% means the class is represented as we'd expect, a value over 100% means the class is represented that much more often than we'd expect, a value below 100% means they're represented less than we'd want (obviously this chart doesn't include a spec breakdown in any way)." -Kalgan, Blizzard (Mar 2008)
Now compare if you will a very underrepresented class in the arena. The Hunter. Now clearly we can see that hunters are much worse players than druids because Arenas mean everything. Certainly we can see that this PTR change is trying to bring two classes more in line with their expectation of Arena representation. Hunters are getting a buff because they are bad and clearly need to L2P. Druids are NOT getting nerfed but another class has one Dispellable counter (with a long cooldown). I'm sure it's no big deal. Just relax kitties everything is gonna be fine. You guys will adapt fine and learn to handle these changes because you guys are the best... around, nothing's ever gonna keep ya down.
Oh I'm sure they wanted to a give your counter to warriors but since they can counter everything they decided warriors were overpowered enough as it is and working as intended. Purely my own speculation there.
Regardless for those of you guys that cant handle a dispellable / trinketable spell that has a 30 second cooldown and needs to be cast within 10 yards (30 yards on the PTR and thats scary because everyone knows every PTR change makes it into the game live without any change whatsoever , I mean look at the lifetap nerf and drinking nerf OMG) and breaks on damage please feel free to make yourself at home and browse the thread. It is full of helpful people with helpful information on the class if you're looking to re-roll.
Also, too bad 95 percent of those druids are probably resto, and aren't really affected by the Scare Beast change anyway, at least when compared to druids.
Has anyone noticed that hunter traps (specifically freezing) disappear from the floor in Mr. T?
I trap a mob, move to ping-pong chain trap it, and when I lay my second trap, after some random amount of time it just goes away. There are no adds near it, my mob hasn't broken the first trap yet, etc. It just goes away. What this is doing is making me wait until a trap is broken before I lay another, or risk wasting a cooldown entirely.
I think if you lay the second trap near enough to your currently trapped mob, it won't show the trap break, the new trap will just activate at the right time. It looks like it's just disappearing, but your mob is staying trapped longer than the duration of one alone.
That's not what's happening though. I'm often 20-30 yards away from the mob. When my first trap does break, the mob runs at me, straight through where my new trap was before it disappeared, and starts beating me down.
It is just a question of where blizz wants to aim the nerf for druids. I don't think any druid posting in this thread has questioned the skill or ability of either class We (the druids) just disagree with how blizz is proposing to fix the misrepresentation of the two classes specifically in arenas, but affecting feral druids moreso than the intended resto druids who make up those high %s of arena teams.
It is just going to further decrease the amount of feral druids in arenas and not address the issue of overpowered, non-LOS HoTs.
Proposal: Give hunters a new spell: Homing Arrow. When activated, allows your next ranged special to path around objects to hit your target, if there is a path available and within range. Add in caveats and balance as necessary.
I think that LoS shouldn't friggin' happen at all in BGs (which it mostly doesn't) nor in arenas because it makes some classes so fuckin' good, and others far far worse
the whole "lol pillar" thing pretty much singlehandedly destroyed my desire to play hunter
I'm lvl 32 and right now I'm spec'd completely in BM tree. I've been perusing builds on the Official forums that has about 15 or so in the MM tree. My question is this. What should I do , and when? I'm relying on my old information from when I played a few years back and of course it's outdated. Should I go up the MM to a certain point then finish in the BM or vice versa?
Secondly, I have a cat as a pet. Yes I know, so does everyone else. I also have that pink elite bat from the undead area but he's a measly 22 vs my cat's 32 levels and leveling him up has been a pain. Anyway, the question is which skills to give him? Right now he has Growl, Bite and Claw. I'm about to pick up Dash as I just became big enough to tame someone with it. And I'd pick up Prowl as well, but the lowest mob with Prowl is out of my reach for now. Now then, as I remember Claw is less Focus but less dps, while Bite is more focus and more dps. Back in the day I had that addon that managed which one was used to maximize dps, but I forget which addon that is so I have none now. So then to summarize, as a cat, which should I train? Also if you could give me a level build for the cat as well?
BM to level
BM to 5 man (unless your set group needs extra solid and dependable traps because they kill stuff slow)
BM to raid (unless your raid needs Expose Weakness and you have the gear, or unless you have a hunter group and want them to all have TSA)
Do not BM to arena (I hear it's secondary to the other specs)
Pets:
Cat or Ravager is the highest DPS choice. Max claw, the Avoidance thing, mix in health and armor and resistances as appropriate). And Bite if and when you are generating so much extra focus on your with the low-tier MM talent that you can't use it all up.
I never got Prowl on my cat, but I guess it would be nice for PvP, especially if you are a nelf.
Pets:
Cat or Ravager is the highest DPS choice. Max claw, the Avoidance thing, mix in health and armor and resistances as appropriate). And Bite if and when you are generating so much extra focus on your with the low-tier MM talent that you can't use it all up.
Well technically wind serpents are the highest dps pet, but that is only after a certain gear level that you really, really wouldn't need to worry about while leveling. Ravagers slightly edge Cats due to the mechanics of gore versus claw.
When training your pet, keep Bite and Gore/Claw maxed. After that, it's up to you. I would go with Stamina while leveling, and not worry about Avoidance until you're raiding. Get Cobra Reflexes as soon as it is available.
Keep Growl to the far left of the pet bar, then Bite, then Gore/Claw. You always want Bite to go before Gore/Claw because it's more damage per focus, which is somewhat important while leveling. I would have Dash as the 4th ability, just because it makes grinding a bit easier. For PvP, drop Growl for Prowl.
Regarding leveling, I went BM up through 41 points before I put a single point in MM. It makes leveling go quickly if not a bit boring, because your pet makes up a huge chunk of your damage and isn't nearly as gear dependent.
That's true, forgot about serpents, but you have to macro Lightning Breath in order for that to be true. Or have they fixed the bug with pets using Lightning Breath?
The pets use abilities in preference from left to right? I had no idea. That's amazing.
That's true, forgot about serpents, but you have to macro Lightning Breath in order for that to be true. Or have they fixed the bug with pets using Lightning Breath?
The pets use abilities in preference from left to right? I had no idea. That's amazing.
The problem with LB is that it's a "channeled instant cast" ability, so if you have LB on autocast you can lose pet dps if the target is moving around. Putting LB in your macro alleviates that.
Yeah, pets prioritize on the pet bar from left to right. It's not 100% perfect though; if an ability is available but costs too much focus, the pet might use a further right ability instead.
I am kind of planing do some battleground pvp with my hunter
Since they are Bm spec'd and I do have a cat should I get a pet just for pvp? I have heard that the ravager is one of the better ones or atypical boar
For BGs Windserpent or Ravager if you're going min/max (Windserpent won't get insta-gibbed). For Arenas if you're a drain team in the lower brackets Scorpid, if you're a DPS team Ravager.
BM to level
BM to 5 man (unless your set group needs extra solid and dependable traps because they kill stuff slow)
BM to raid (unless your raid needs Expose Weakness and you have the gear, or unless you have a hunter group and want them to all have TSA)
Do not BM to arena (I hear it's secondary to the other specs)
Pets:
Cat or Ravager is the highest DPS choice. Max claw, the Avoidance thing, mix in health and armor and resistances as appropriate). And Bite if and when you are generating so much extra focus on your with the low-tier MM talent that you can't use it all up.
I never got Prowl on my cat, but I guess it would be nice for PvP, especially if you are a nelf.
you're forgetting about wind serpents.
if you're raiding you should look into getting one, take their lightning breath off of auto use and put it into your shot macro (which you should have if you're raiding) once your crit gets up to around 25% your pet will be around 40 dps higher than a ravager or cat.
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That's true, forgot about serpents, but you have to macro Lightning Breath in order for that to be true. Or have they fixed the bug with pets using Lightning Breath?
The pets use abilities in preference from left to right? I had no idea. That's amazing.
The problem with LB is that it's a "channeled instant cast" ability, so if you have LB on autocast you can lose pet dps if the target is moving around. Putting LB in your macro alleviates that.
Yeah, pets prioritize on the pet bar from left to right. It's not 100% perfect though; if an ability is available but costs too much focus, the pet might use a further right ability instead.
The only abilities my pet has are LB,Dive, Growl.
he only has growl because I'm lazy and it was free. he dashes(dive) up to the target automatically but other than that never uses any focus without me telling him too via my shot macro when raiding. I turn off autocast on everything.
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I finally hit 40. Hooray (remember, this is my only toon since I recently got the game so its a big deal for me). I love having a mount and not having to hoof it around (although Aspect of Cheetah was nice overall).
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The only abilities my pet has are LB,Dive, Growl.
he only has growl because I'm lazy and it was free. he dashes(dive) up to the target automatically but other than that never uses any focus without me telling him too via my shot macro when raiding. I turn off autocast on everything.
I mean, that's fine too. I keep bite because it's the most efficient pet ability, and I keep it on autocast because there's no reason not to. The only time you shouldn't be training bite on a raid pet is if you're already generating too much focus through GftT to burn. If your pet isn't LBing on every single GCD, there's no reason not to have bite trained.
I have LB in my shot macro, but I have a keybinding for dive. I'd rather have control over when my pet sprints to mobs (hi, he's 5 feet away, take your time) but your mileage may vary.
I'm just lazy in regard to the dive thing. i sometimes just turn it off.
Also it should be noted that WS are the best pets because they get Spell damage and AP from your AP and they use both.
WS have yet to be properly modeled. The fact that they get "spell damage" from your AP is a wash, since other pets' abilities also scale with your AP. Where WS excels is
a) LB ignores armor
b) At 50 focus a shot, LB wastes tends to waste less focus than Gore at high levels of crit due to the extreme amount of focus generated through GftT (pets being limited by a GCD on pet ability spam).
c) DPS is increased by stormstrike, misery.
d) They eat mage food.
Where WS fails is
a) Unless you use LB in your shot macro and NOT on autocast, you will lose DPS. Since most players are incapable/unwilling to use a macro, this is an issue.
b) Specials do not scale with sunder, hemo, whatever the slam warrior debuff is.
c) WS eats SS charges, thus you really shouldn't be using it if you raid with enhancement/elemental shamans.
d) Nature immune targets.
I'd say it's somewhat inconclusive, though I do love my WS when I use it. Going with a ravager or even a cat isn't going to drop you off the top 10 on the meter, just don't be the hunter who brings a turtle.
I'm just lazy in regard to the dive thing. i sometimes just turn it off.
Also it should be noted that WS are the best pets because they get Spell damage and AP from your AP and they use both.
WS have yet to be properly modeled. The fact that they get "spell damage" from your AP is a wash, since other pets' abilities also scale with your AP. Where WS excels is
a) LB ignores armor
b) At 50 focus a shot, LB wastes tends to waste less focus than Gore at high levels of crit due to the extreme amount of focus generated through GftT (pets being limited by a GCD on pet ability spam).
c) DPS is increased by stormstrike, misery.
d) They eat mage food.
Where WS fails is
a) Unless you use LB in your shot macro and NOT on autocast, you will lose DPS. Since most players are incapable/unwilling to use a macro, this is an issue. if you can't do this though, stop raiding and go pvp
b) Specials do not scale with sunder, hemo, whatever the slam warrior debuff is.
c) WS eats SS charges, thus you really shouldn't be using it if you raid with enhancement/elemental shamans.
d) Nature immune targets.
I'd say it's somewhat inconclusive, though I do love my WS when I use it. Going with a ravager or even a cat isn't going to drop you off the top 10 on the meter, just don't be the hunter who brings a crab.
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you missed my point about the WS getting +spell damage. They get increases to the LB that ignores armor AND they get increases to their general attacks and kill command from the AP itself.
Its kinda like having a pocket Enhance shammy with really powerful earthshocks.
you missed my point about the WS getting +spell damage. They get increases to the LB that ignores armor AND they get increases to their general attacks and kill command from the AP itself.
Its kinda like having a pocket Enhance shammy with really powerful earthshocks.
I didn't miss it, I ignored it because the +spell damage component is not as huge as you make it out to be. Your pet gets 1.25% of your RAP added to LB. It gets an increase from Misery and Stormstrike. Its damage relies on spell crit and spell hit (which do not scale with any of your stats), and uses a 150% modifier.
Gore, on the other hand, gains from animal handler, faerie fire, sunder, blood frenzy, and hemo. It uses melee crit (which scales) with a 200% crit modifier. Ravagers also have a 110% damage modifier, as opposed to 107% on wind serpents.
Gore vs. LB is basically a wash in terms of pure damage, with LB having the edge in damage potential and gore having the edge in efficiency. Where LB pulls ahead of Gore is when you're getting so much focus from GftT that you literally cannot burn it fast enough with Gore.
They're both great pets, both have upsides and downsides. "Scaling with spell damage" is just a silly argument to make
I just hit 32, and I'm really surprised to see that a few ranks of Gore are missing - as in, can't be learned from anything.
Up until now, I've been using a ravager, and it's been working pretty good. Bastard just barely holds aggro over my damage, but he manages, and does pretty well himself. If I can't continue to upgrade his abilities, I'm going to start outpacing his damage fairly soon, meaning I need a new pet.
I refuse to have a cat, half because everyone has a goddamned cat and half because I am not really digging on their appearances. I think I'd like an owl, but there are none within a reasonable level.
What should I be looking for? I'm considering a wind serpent currenly, but I'm not sure. Something with the ability to kick in speedy movement like dash or dive would be nice.
If I remember correctly, you'll need to tame new pets with the higher ranks of gore (and whatever else is running a little behind). Stable your ravager, look up mobs with the higher ranks (wowhead should help you there), tame them and grind for a bit until you learn(?) the new rank of gore. Then you can ditch the new pet and teach it to your ravager.
No, gore actually has a gap. There aren't any mobs with ranks 5-7 in the game. Although while levelling it wouldn't really be a big deal, just keep bite up to date to make up for it. Then grab rank 7 at 48 or whatever. If you really want a new pet maybe a wolf or raptor, maybe something outlandish and cool like the red Hyena from SM. I'd get one of those if levelling low level pets up wasn't such a pain in the ass.
I think I'd like an owl, but there are none within a reasonable level.
What should I be looking for? I'm considering a wind serpent currenly, but I'm not sure. Something with the ability to kick in speedy movement like dash or dive would be nice.
You've got the right idea with the Owl. Anyone that isn't in love with how amazing Owl tanking pets are doesn't have one. So no viable owls around 32? try out a buzzard.
the stat difference on owl vs buzzard is +7% dps for owls and +5% armor for buzzards. 7% of dps for a level 32 I would be surprised if it wound up even being 7dmg. Both these pets have dive and screech and screech is that amazing . trouble with this pet is you may have to get dive someplace else before you grab this buzzard. They're not sexy looking but every time I ride through badlands I kick myself for not getting the red buzzard for the tank/resistance pet I use for primal farming.
they only eat cheese fish and bread to include mage food which is a PITA at low levels sometimes. I have a ravager and a wind serpent for dps pets and in raids the damage each does is about an even wash to be honest with you and I use the WTFBBQ Steady / Lightning breath / Kill command with LB off autocast macro so I'm doing everything "right" . My ravager dumps focus fine so I'm not a OMG HEUG windserpent fan. My enh shaman think the serp's taking stormstrike charges is akin to stealing their bike while totally overlooking the giant moonchicken . So alot of times I'm still using my ravager and he's still awesome.
let us know what you pick and name him and post a SS
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we recruited a hunter who was terri terri terrrrri bad
like im talking he rolled on Gorehowl thinking it was an upgrade to Sonic Spear.
i had /gremove HunterName in my chat box so many times but i held off and was patient.
We gave him lots of loot, explained to him what was good, directed him to many places. At one point we gave him t5 and he was still using Valanos' Longbow.
That was pretty funny.
Then he got the Arcanite Steam-Pistol and instantly jumped into our top 3 DPS.
I guess the quality of your ranged weapon makes the biggest difference.
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First off welcome to the Hunter thread. Now that our cordials out of the way. Lemme start off by saying While you Druids have been rolling your hots with impunity you may not have noticed the clear obscene over representation of your class in the Arena. You and I know there must be a reason why, and we both know what it is . It's the unarguably simple fact that all the best players are Druids.
Heres the Blue post info that proves you're the best ...around , nothing's ever gonna keep you down.
2200 rated teams http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5103773379&pageNo=4&sid=1#74
2v2 3v3 5v5
Druid 276.0% 184.0% 80.5%
Hunter 43.0% 50.2% 43.0%
1850 rated teams http://www.arenajunkies.com/showthread.php?t=13112
Class 2v2 3v3 5v5
Druid 184.0% 138.0% 92.0%
Hunter 50.2% 50.2% 50.2%
"One of the things we look at is class representation in arenas (although normalized for class popularity). In this particular chart, a value of 100% means the class is represented as we'd expect, a value over 100% means the class is represented that much more often than we'd expect, a value below 100% means they're represented less than we'd want (obviously this chart doesn't include a spec breakdown in any way)." -Kalgan, Blizzard (Mar 2008)
and a video proving it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7INwp_vipz8
Now compare if you will a very underrepresented class in the arena. The Hunter. Now clearly we can see that hunters are much worse players than druids because Arenas mean everything. Certainly we can see that this PTR change is trying to bring two classes more in line with their expectation of Arena representation. Hunters are getting a buff because they are bad and clearly need to L2P. Druids are NOT getting nerfed but another class has one Dispellable counter (with a long cooldown). I'm sure it's no big deal. Just relax kitties everything is gonna be fine. You guys will adapt fine and learn to handle these changes because you guys are the best... around, nothing's ever gonna keep ya down.
Oh I'm sure they wanted to a give your counter to warriors but since they can counter everything they decided warriors were overpowered enough as it is and working as intended. Purely my own speculation there.
Regardless for those of you guys that cant handle a dispellable / trinketable spell that has a 30 second cooldown and needs to be cast within 10 yards (30 yards on the PTR and thats scary because everyone knows every PTR change makes it into the game live without any change whatsoever , I mean look at the lifetap nerf and drinking nerf OMG) and breaks on damage please feel free to make yourself at home and browse the thread. It is full of helpful people with helpful information on the class if you're looking to re-roll.
Best of luck with your pillar humping.
I think if you lay the second trap near enough to your currently trapped mob, it won't show the trap break, the new trap will just activate at the right time. It looks like it's just disappearing, but your mob is staying trapped longer than the duration of one alone.
lol dingus .
ok ill edit it to reflect this much harsher and clearly ominous new incarnation of a game-breaking ability.
It is just going to further decrease the amount of feral druids in arenas and not address the issue of overpowered, non-LOS HoTs.
Proposal: Give hunters a new spell: Homing Arrow. When activated, allows your next ranged special to path around objects to hit your target, if there is a path available and within range. Add in caveats and balance as necessary.
What say you, hunters?
Yes , it's a huge mistake and I feel like the "foolish dingus" I am.
the whole "lol pillar" thing pretty much singlehandedly destroyed my desire to play hunter
I'm lvl 32 and right now I'm spec'd completely in BM tree. I've been perusing builds on the Official forums that has about 15 or so in the MM tree. My question is this. What should I do , and when? I'm relying on my old information from when I played a few years back and of course it's outdated. Should I go up the MM to a certain point then finish in the BM or vice versa?
Secondly, I have a cat as a pet. Yes I know, so does everyone else. I also have that pink elite bat from the undead area but he's a measly 22 vs my cat's 32 levels and leveling him up has been a pain. Anyway, the question is which skills to give him? Right now he has Growl, Bite and Claw. I'm about to pick up Dash as I just became big enough to tame someone with it. And I'd pick up Prowl as well, but the lowest mob with Prowl is out of my reach for now. Now then, as I remember Claw is less Focus but less dps, while Bite is more focus and more dps. Back in the day I had that addon that managed which one was used to maximize dps, but I forget which addon that is so I have none now. So then to summarize, as a cat, which should I train? Also if you could give me a level build for the cat as well?
Thank you muchly, in advance.
BM to 5 man (unless your set group needs extra solid and dependable traps because they kill stuff slow)
BM to raid (unless your raid needs Expose Weakness and you have the gear, or unless you have a hunter group and want them to all have TSA)
Do not BM to arena (I hear it's secondary to the other specs)
Pets:
Cat or Ravager is the highest DPS choice. Max claw, the Avoidance thing, mix in health and armor and resistances as appropriate). And Bite if and when you are generating so much extra focus on your with the low-tier MM talent that you can't use it all up.
I never got Prowl on my cat, but I guess it would be nice for PvP, especially if you are a nelf.
Well technically wind serpents are the highest dps pet, but that is only after a certain gear level that you really, really wouldn't need to worry about while leveling. Ravagers slightly edge Cats due to the mechanics of gore versus claw.
When training your pet, keep Bite and Gore/Claw maxed. After that, it's up to you. I would go with Stamina while leveling, and not worry about Avoidance until you're raiding. Get Cobra Reflexes as soon as it is available.
Keep Growl to the far left of the pet bar, then Bite, then Gore/Claw. You always want Bite to go before Gore/Claw because it's more damage per focus, which is somewhat important while leveling. I would have Dash as the 4th ability, just because it makes grinding a bit easier. For PvP, drop Growl for Prowl.
Regarding leveling, I went BM up through 41 points before I put a single point in MM. It makes leveling go quickly if not a bit boring, because your pet makes up a huge chunk of your damage and isn't nearly as gear dependent.
The pets use abilities in preference from left to right? I had no idea. That's amazing.
The problem with LB is that it's a "channeled instant cast" ability, so if you have LB on autocast you can lose pet dps if the target is moving around. Putting LB in your macro alleviates that.
Yeah, pets prioritize on the pet bar from left to right. It's not 100% perfect though; if an ability is available but costs too much focus, the pet might use a further right ability instead.
Any spec is good for levelling, BM is best.
For 5-mans spec doesn't really matter.
Bigity was right about raiding.
For arenas BM is strongest in 5s and weaker in 2s and 3s unless you go for a burst team, in which case it kicks ass in all 3.
Since they are Bm spec'd and I do have a cat should I get a pet just for pvp? I have heard that the ravager is one of the better ones or atypical boar
I pvp to waste time and for fun so it's why I choose battlegrounds over the arena everytime
you're forgetting about wind serpents.
if you're raiding you should look into getting one, take their lightning breath off of auto use and put it into your shot macro (which you should have if you're raiding) once your crit gets up to around 25% your pet will be around 40 dps higher than a ravager or cat.
The only abilities my pet has are LB,Dive, Growl.
he only has growl because I'm lazy and it was free. he dashes(dive) up to the target automatically but other than that never uses any focus without me telling him too via my shot macro when raiding. I turn off autocast on everything.
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I mean, that's fine too. I keep bite because it's the most efficient pet ability, and I keep it on autocast because there's no reason not to. The only time you shouldn't be training bite on a raid pet is if you're already generating too much focus through GftT to burn. If your pet isn't LBing on every single GCD, there's no reason not to have bite trained.
I have LB in my shot macro, but I have a keybinding for dive. I'd rather have control over when my pet sprints to mobs (hi, he's 5 feet away, take your time) but your mileage may vary.
Also it should be noted that WS are the best pets because they get Spell damage and AP from your AP and they use both.
WS have yet to be properly modeled. The fact that they get "spell damage" from your AP is a wash, since other pets' abilities also scale with your AP. Where WS excels is
a) LB ignores armor
b) At 50 focus a shot, LB wastes tends to waste less focus than Gore at high levels of crit due to the extreme amount of focus generated through GftT (pets being limited by a GCD on pet ability spam).
c) DPS is increased by stormstrike, misery.
d) They eat mage food.
Where WS fails is
a) Unless you use LB in your shot macro and NOT on autocast, you will lose DPS. Since most players are incapable/unwilling to use a macro, this is an issue.
b) Specials do not scale with sunder, hemo, whatever the slam warrior debuff is.
c) WS eats SS charges, thus you really shouldn't be using it if you raid with enhancement/elemental shamans.
d) Nature immune targets.
I'd say it's somewhat inconclusive, though I do love my WS when I use it. Going with a ravager or even a cat isn't going to drop you off the top 10 on the meter, just don't be the hunter who brings a turtle.
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you missed my point about the WS getting +spell damage. They get increases to the LB that ignores armor AND they get increases to their general attacks and kill command from the AP itself.
Its kinda like having a pocket Enhance shammy with really powerful earthshocks.
I didn't miss it, I ignored it because the +spell damage component is not as huge as you make it out to be. Your pet gets 1.25% of your RAP added to LB. It gets an increase from Misery and Stormstrike. Its damage relies on spell crit and spell hit (which do not scale with any of your stats), and uses a 150% modifier.
Gore, on the other hand, gains from animal handler, faerie fire, sunder, blood frenzy, and hemo. It uses melee crit (which scales) with a 200% crit modifier. Ravagers also have a 110% damage modifier, as opposed to 107% on wind serpents.
Gore vs. LB is basically a wash in terms of pure damage, with LB having the edge in damage potential and gore having the edge in efficiency. Where LB pulls ahead of Gore is when you're getting so much focus from GftT that you literally cannot burn it fast enough with Gore.
They're both great pets, both have upsides and downsides. "Scaling with spell damage" is just a silly argument to make
I sure hope they don't, no one uses envenom except against BoP'd targets.
... or at least they shouldn't be.
Up until now, I've been using a ravager, and it's been working pretty good. Bastard just barely holds aggro over my damage, but he manages, and does pretty well himself. If I can't continue to upgrade his abilities, I'm going to start outpacing his damage fairly soon, meaning I need a new pet.
I refuse to have a cat, half because everyone has a goddamned cat and half because I am not really digging on their appearances. I think I'd like an owl, but there are none within a reasonable level.
What should I be looking for? I'm considering a wind serpent currenly, but I'm not sure. Something with the ability to kick in speedy movement like dash or dive would be nice.
You've got the right idea with the Owl. Anyone that isn't in love with how amazing Owl tanking pets are doesn't have one. So no viable owls around 32? try out a buzzard.
http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_saltflatsvulture.php
the stat difference on owl vs buzzard is +7% dps for owls and +5% armor for buzzards. 7% of dps for a level 32 I would be surprised if it wound up even being 7dmg. Both these pets have dive and screech and screech is that amazing . trouble with this pet is you may have to get dive someplace else before you grab this buzzard. They're not sexy looking but every time I ride through badlands I kick myself for not getting the red buzzard for the tank/resistance pet I use for primal farming.
You can go with this till 35 and if you wanna try out a wind serp snag a noxius flayerhttp://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/mobs/mob_noxiousflayer.php
they only eat cheese fish and bread to include mage food which is a PITA at low levels sometimes. I have a ravager and a wind serpent for dps pets and in raids the damage each does is about an even wash to be honest with you and I use the WTFBBQ Steady / Lightning breath / Kill command with LB off autocast macro so I'm doing everything "right" . My ravager dumps focus fine so I'm not a OMG HEUG windserpent fan. My enh shaman think the serp's taking stormstrike charges is akin to stealing their bike while totally overlooking the giant moonchicken . So alot of times I'm still using my ravager and he's still awesome.
let us know what you pick and name him and post a SS
Personal best.
like im talking he rolled on Gorehowl thinking it was an upgrade to Sonic Spear.
i had /gremove HunterName in my chat box so many times but i held off and was patient.
We gave him lots of loot, explained to him what was good, directed him to many places. At one point we gave him t5 and he was still using Valanos' Longbow.
That was pretty funny.
Then he got the Arcanite Steam-Pistol and instantly jumped into our top 3 DPS.
I guess the quality of your ranged weapon makes the biggest difference.