Hunter DPS is literally your ability to quickly spam your Steady-Auto macro if you're BM. There's the matter of actually fitting in Arcane and Multi-Shot for a Marksmanship or Survival hunter, but BM is extremely simplistic. Someone can not understand proper itemization for their class, and still do fairly well as a BM hunter.
That said, new personal best on Solarian: 1507. But she also has like 0 armor, sooo...
GrathI'm a much happier person these daysRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited May 2008
I went survival and had a wolf (i was spec'd full on buff the dps of the rogues + cc/kite) I was between 1k-1100 dps which put me 10th/11th place in damage.
the raid leaders actually said "you know what, the rogues are doing more damage yes but not more than you were dealing before, go back plz"
A) I see that he ostensibly runs 1:1 [though obviously he didn't quite break down exactly at 1:1 there]. This seems to be the best option once a hunter gets up a good bit of haste [70+ rating seems to be the most common number I see] and is using the Badge crossbow.
Gorefiend has 0 armor once he's fully debuffed, right? Yeah, very physical-friendly fight, even given the silly ghost mini-game gimmick.
Boo. Not doing so well as MM. Back to BM for me.
I'm gonna miss surefooted though. My hit is kinda low (99 hit rating)
So uh. Should I gem for AP or Agility?
Can you tame the ones on razorthorn ridge or whatever between terrokar and hellfire? The place you have to do the daily quest has 70 ravagers that you tame using the gland. I think at least.
I'm currently a bit over the hit cap, and both prince/bbw won't drop their stupid weapons for me :x I'm using the Beastlord chest and gloves for trapping for trash but haven't really found suitable pieces to replace them for boss encounters. Would the chest from mgt and the gladiator gloves/badge gloves be good for those situations?
I'm currently pushing around 700dps for a kara run and around 950dps on boss attempts that aren't curator or illhoof. Would love to find the magic combo that'll push me over the 1k dps mark. Thanks to any who can give me some pointers.
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Stupid Ape. I'm a 48, was 47 yesterday when I ran this. Was running ST with some guildies and decided to take my ape with to get him some XP (plus its a good place to have Thunderstomp if things get out of control like in the Hakkar blood quest).
I get about 1/2 way through and realize... oops. I'm still full of meat for my Cat (Humar the Pridelord) and nobody there drops fruit/fungus. So... basically my whole attempt at working the ape a bit was null and void since he hit unhappy in there and I had to put him away for the rest of the quest.
Oops!
What are some other good "near 48" pets to pick up. I've been running around without a pet a lot (when not doing quests) to try to find pets with new abilities to capture. So I'm looking for a more "solid" 3rd since I've got quite a few abilities. I wanted a boar (like Billygrub) but I haven't seen any near the 48 range and haven't had a chance to dig through Petopia (they block it at work!).
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Looking for some advice on upgrades that I should be on the lookout for my little BM hunter in kara.
Take a look at my armory - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uther&n=Huntcaudata - I've got almost full "Kara" gear, meaning that I've also got badge gear, and one crafting BOE, which you should also be looking at. The only things I could still use out of Kara are the T4 helm and curator's ring. My trinkets are kind of outlandish, but yours are very good, I wouldn't worry about upgrading them outside of ZA/T5.
I'm SV, so you'll value agility slightly less, which means you should get the shattered sun offensive neck instead of NotD, and maybe get some different gloves/belt... but the ones I have are good for BM too. Look for the belt/boots from Chess. Also, you should seriously consider the badge X-bow, as you might never ever replace it.
Get yourself into heroic Mr T - the chest and axe(s) are about the best thing you could ever get right now.
So I gave in and finally created a Hunter that i'm going to take to 70. Couple questions.
What are some specs you guys can suggest? I didn't see a single spec listed on the first post of the thread. I'm doing BM (threw 5 points into marksman though for the +crit) due to the advice of a guildie, but other than that, not sure really where the tree's excel and where they fall short.
Pets. Right now I have the stereotypical lolcat who seems to be kicking ass. I've visited petopia, which is a great resource, except I have no idea what kind of pet i'm looking for... It seems like more of a resource for people who already know what they are doing.
One of the things is like learning abilities from animals you tame, that you can't get everywhere else. When you learn say "Gore" or something, from a low level mob that you may not want, is it like a rank 1 skill which means will you have to go and do the same thing to a level 70 pet later on down the line, or will you automatically acquire higher ranks as you progress? Basically why would I go out of my way to tame pets I have no intention of keeping if I'm going to have to re-tame the same animal later on down the line for a higher rank of the same skill?
Other than that, what pets are good for what situations, and are there some really nifty ones I should look into training?
Rotation advice? Right now I just throw up a serpent sting, arcane shot, and let my pet kill the mob. Rinse repeat.
Oh, and distracting shot, what the hell is that used for? The only use I can think of for it would be to pull aggro off a mob in a 5-man and ice-trap it or something. Even that is weird though because I would think i'd be able to pull with regular skills.
What are some specs you guys can suggest? I didn't see a single spec listed on the first post of the thread. I'm doing BM (threw 5 points into marksman though for the +crit) due to the advice of a guildie, but other than that, not sure really where the tree's excel and where they fall short.
5 in the crit talent and then BM is a good way to go, but I would respec to BW once you have 41 points to spend. Your end goal should be 41BM/20MM. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbM0gxRwuVoVVbRV)
Picking up talents like pathfinding and bestial swiftness while leveling aren't terrible either, but they're not really endgame talents.
Pets. Right now I have the stereotypical lolcat who seems to be kicking ass. I've visited petopia, which is a great resource, except I have no idea what kind of pet i'm looking for... It seems like more of a resource for people who already know what they are doing.
Cats are a great way to go. At 70 the highest dps pets are Wind Serpent/Ravager (depending on gear) followed by cats. Can't go wrong.
One of the things is like learning abilities from animals you tame, that you can't get everywhere else. When you learn say "Gore" or something, from a low level mob that you may not want, is it like a rank 1 skill which means will you have to go and do the same thing to a level 70 pet later on down the line, or will you automatically acquire higher ranks as you progress? Basically why would I go out of my way to tame pets I have no intention of keeping if I'm going to have to re-tame the same animal later on down the line for a higher rank of the same skill?
Without going into too much detail, different beasts have different ranks of different abilities. Every time you want a new rank of a specific ability, you have to find out what beast has it (petopia.brashendeavors.net), go tame it, and then use the skill until you personally use that rank. You are then free to teach that rank of that skill to any pet capable of learning it.
Other than that, what pets are good for what situations, and are there some really nifty ones I should look into training?
Blizzard has done as much as they can to water down pet selection. As far as neat (read: useful abilities) go, cats can prowl, owls/birds can screech to lower enemy attack power, and windserpents can attack from range with lightning breath. Boars have charge but its usefulness has been significantly diminished. Scorpids are ok for PvP because of scorpid poison.
Rotation advice? Right now I just throw up a serpent sting, arcane shot, and let my pet kill the mob. Rinse repeat.
At lower levels your pet should be doing most of the work. I'd just shoot for not running out of mana too quickly and getting used to squeezing your specials in between autoshots. Hunter dps changes radically at 62 with steady shot, but that's not something you have to worry about for now
Oh, and distracting shot, what the hell is that used for? The only use I can think of for it would be to pull aggro off a mob in a 5-man and ice-trap it or something. Even that is weird though because I would think i'd be able to pull with regular skills.
Not a whole lot, to be honest. The problem with DS is that it's a static, non scaling amount of threat (900 threat at max rank). It's useful for getting mobs into your traps, but that's about it. You can use it as part of your Misdirect rotation as well.
One of the things is like learning abilities from animals you tame, that you can't get everywhere else. When you learn say "Gore" or something, from a low level mob that you may not want, is it like a rank 1 skill which means will you have to go and do the same thing to a level 70 pet later on down the line, or will you automatically acquire higher ranks as you progress? Basically why would I go out of my way to tame pets I have no intention of keeping if I'm going to have to re-tame the same animal later on down the line for a higher rank of the same skill?
You learn new ranks of the skills by taming something that knows it and then after a while you get a message saying that you have learned "Bite 5" or whatever.
So how it works is, you stable your main pet. Then go out and tame some random thing that knows the skill you want. Tool around for a bit killing things and then once you learn the skill from it you abandon it then go back and teach it to your main.
As well as those skills you also get some ones from the pet trainer, but the main attack skills will all need to be learned from wild mobs. Petopia has some more indepth articles on the subject. Such as this one
Your rotation is: spam a macro (this is endgame, while questing, yes, just do whatever and let your pet hold aggro)
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
Distracting shot is used exactly for that, you can also use normal skills, but... I dunno. It has it's uses - for instance, you can build extra threat on an already trapped mob because it doesn't deal damage, and then that mob won't chase healers when it comes out.
And... I'll stop typing because someone answered the rest.
edit: I'm dumb and can't read and people above me answered better.
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edited May 2008
My misdirect rotation is usually Aimed-shot > Run and fire Distracting > Fire Arcane Shot
So that's about the only time I use it. Other than on pulls where I need a mob to run over my trap. Then it's the same three shots, sans misdirect.
And you can toss any pet you don't want after you learn their skill. Yeah, you generally just go out and find a cat that has claw level 6 or a boar with gore level 5 or whatever, tame then, then use them til you get their skill. Then you kick their ass to the curb and go back to your snugglepuss. It's a good idea to pick one pet that you want to use until 70. You can change which pet that is, but you generally want to use just one. Especially since pets can fall really far behind if you do a lot of quests. Use either a Cat, Raptor, Ravager, or Boar.
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Also, people talk about wanting two pets and how it's hard to level them. It's not (as long as they don't start out too far behind). Pets don't get any xp at all if they're the same level as you, so as soon as one catches up, you can switch to the other one until you level. I did that with my boar and windserpent from 61-70 without a hitch (back before boars sucked).
Also, people talk about wanting two pets and how it's hard to level them. It's not (as long as they don't start out too far behind). Pets don't get any xp at all if they're the same level as you, so as soon as one catches up, you can switch to the other one until you level. I did that with my boar and windserpent from 61-70 without a hitch (back before boars sucked).
Meh, it's not exactly easy to keep two pets current level when the bulk of your experience comes from quests. I leveled two pets most of the way, but gave up on one around level 60. What typically happens is something like:
- You ding 60 with two level 59 pets. Pet 1 hits 60 when you're about 75% of the way to 61.
- You switch pets. You ding 61 before the second pet even hits 60. You manage to get pet 2 to 61 right before you ding 62.
- You switch back to pet 1 (60) before it falls too far behind. You now have to get it to level twice before you hit 63...
It is entirely possible to keep two pets leveled as you go. It's just not easy to do without slowing your personal leveling way down.
Thanks you guys for all the advice, it was a huge help.
After visiting Petopia, I was actually able to go get some really cool transparent snow leapord looking pet from Darkshore. Took me a while to get the bastard, but it was worth it.
If you can have only a max of 3 pets, what are some other ones that you guys suggest picking up? Is Dash that good that I should make sure every pet I get has it? ie: What are the best pets for Instancing/Raiding and PvP?
Edit: Oh yeah, one more question. Petopia says dash can be learned at 30, but the only animals I see with the skill on the list are level 32. Is it possible to get Dash prior to level 32?
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Oh, and distracting shot, what the hell is that used for? The only use I can think of for it would be to pull aggro off a mob in a 5-man and ice-trap it or something. Even that is weird though because I would think i'd be able to pull with regular skills.
Not a whole lot, to be honest. The problem with DS is that it's a static, non scaling amount of threat (900 threat at max rank). It's useful for getting mobs into your traps, but that's about it. You can use it as part of your Misdirect rotation as well.
if you're trying to kite while other things beat on the mob its really good.
no but you can feed pets mage foods and spend way less money on it.
Right, but that wasn't my complaint -- my complaint was that there're certain fights where I can either have my pet out and be almost guaranteed that he'll die, or dismiss him for a given phase and lose DPS. I'm specifically referring to Zul'jin's eagle phase here, where physical DPS is pretty much the only kind that's going to get you through to the next part of the fight.
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GrathI'm a much happier person these daysRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited May 2008
t5 2piece helps so much with your pet's survivability. I got so lazy with it i forgot how big of a pain keeping your pet alive is. now that i have t6 im just getting so angry.
and Illidan is more of a "fuck your pet" fight than anything else i've ever seen. Its like
Oh look every single phase of the fight includes moving a mob because he puts fire down but dont move him too far because the fire sticks around for a while. Oh noes your pet is standing in the fire! I had my pet at angry before phase two was over on multiple occasions.
Seem to recall blue saying a future patch would allow hunters to feed pets in combat...
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My misdirect rotation is usually Aimed-shot > Run and fire Distracting > Fire Arcane Shot
So that's about the only time I use it. Other than on pulls where I need a mob to run over my trap. Then it's the same three shots, sans misdirect.
And you can toss any pet you don't want after you learn their skill. Yeah, you generally just go out and find a cat that has claw level 6 or a boar with gore level 5 or whatever, tame then, then use them til you get their skill. Then you kick their ass to the curb and go back to your snugglepuss. It's a good idea to pick one pet that you want to use until 70. You can change which pet that is, but you generally want to use just one. Especially since pets can fall really far behind if you do a lot of quests. Use either a Cat, Raptor, Ravager, or Boar.
Boars are not that great anymore.
I actually really like bats. Slightly better dps than owls, draw aggro like crazy, aoe taunt, spammable focus dump.
Feeding them is a pain but not bad once you get in the habit of loading up on fruit/fungus whenever you go back to town.
Also they're really distracting in PvP.
Just don't tame a crocolisk. The fuckers sound like Darth Vader every few seconds.
There is that, though in instances it can be a bit of a pain because it seems like they always want to fly in front of either the camera or whatever I'm targeting at the moment.
Also they're really distracting in PvP.
Just don't tame a crocolisk. The fuckers sound like Darth Vader every few seconds.
Also raptors because they are awesome.
My raptor (Grimlock because I am a massive nerd) has served me well since I got him. My boar kinda...fell out of favor. I think I'll keep it into Outland just because of the idea of a Troll and his raptor exploring strange new worlds together.
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The way you have to learn new ranks for pet abilities is really stupid and annoying.
Also, boars aren't really good anymore, are they?
That said, new personal best on Solarian: 1507. But she also has like 0 armor, sooo...
the raid leaders actually said "you know what, the rogues are doing more damage yes but not more than you were dealing before, go back plz"
Just some observations:
A) I see that he ostensibly runs 1:1 [though obviously he didn't quite break down exactly at 1:1 there]. This seems to be the best option once a hunter gets up a good bit of haste [70+ rating seems to be the most common number I see] and is using the Badge crossbow.
C) You jerks and your T6! :x
I'm gonna miss surefooted though. My hit is kinda low
So uh. Should I gem for AP or Agility?
Agility, always over AP unless it's different level gems (Like PvP gem versus blue gem)
Also, is there any place I can tame a ravager that is level 70? I hate leveling pets.
Nethermine Ravagers in SMV are 70 and tameable.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thrall&n=Legolamb
I'm currently a bit over the hit cap, and both prince/bbw won't drop their stupid weapons for me :x I'm using the Beastlord chest and gloves for trapping for trash but haven't really found suitable pieces to replace them for boss encounters. Would the chest from mgt and the gladiator gloves/badge gloves be good for those situations?
I'm currently pushing around 700dps for a kara run and around 950dps on boss attempts that aren't curator or illhoof. Would love to find the magic combo that'll push me over the 1k dps mark. Thanks to any who can give me some pointers.
I get about 1/2 way through and realize... oops. I'm still full of meat for my Cat (Humar the Pridelord) and nobody there drops fruit/fungus. So... basically my whole attempt at working the ape a bit was null and void since he hit unhappy in there and I had to put him away for the rest of the quest.
Oops!
What are some other good "near 48" pets to pick up. I've been running around without a pet a lot (when not doing quests) to try to find pets with new abilities to capture. So I'm looking for a more "solid" 3rd since I've got quite a few abilities. I wanted a boar (like Billygrub) but I haven't seen any near the 48 range and haven't had a chance to dig through Petopia (they block it at work!).
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Take a look at my armory - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Uther&n=Huntcaudata - I've got almost full "Kara" gear, meaning that I've also got badge gear, and one crafting BOE, which you should also be looking at. The only things I could still use out of Kara are the T4 helm and curator's ring. My trinkets are kind of outlandish, but yours are very good, I wouldn't worry about upgrading them outside of ZA/T5.
I'm SV, so you'll value agility slightly less, which means you should get the shattered sun offensive neck instead of NotD, and maybe get some different gloves/belt... but the ones I have are good for BM too. Look for the belt/boots from Chess. Also, you should seriously consider the badge X-bow, as you might never ever replace it.
Get yourself into heroic Mr T - the chest and axe(s) are about the best thing you could ever get right now.
What are some specs you guys can suggest? I didn't see a single spec listed on the first post of the thread. I'm doing BM (threw 5 points into marksman though for the +crit) due to the advice of a guildie, but other than that, not sure really where the tree's excel and where they fall short.
Pets. Right now I have the stereotypical lolcat who seems to be kicking ass. I've visited petopia, which is a great resource, except I have no idea what kind of pet i'm looking for... It seems like more of a resource for people who already know what they are doing.
One of the things is like learning abilities from animals you tame, that you can't get everywhere else. When you learn say "Gore" or something, from a low level mob that you may not want, is it like a rank 1 skill which means will you have to go and do the same thing to a level 70 pet later on down the line, or will you automatically acquire higher ranks as you progress? Basically why would I go out of my way to tame pets I have no intention of keeping if I'm going to have to re-tame the same animal later on down the line for a higher rank of the same skill?
Other than that, what pets are good for what situations, and are there some really nifty ones I should look into training?
Rotation advice? Right now I just throw up a serpent sting, arcane shot, and let my pet kill the mob. Rinse repeat.
This is my hunter. Upgrades outside of Kara?
5 in the crit talent and then BM is a good way to go, but I would respec to BW once you have 41 points to spend. Your end goal should be 41BM/20MM. (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=ctbM0gxRwuVoVVbRV)
Picking up talents like pathfinding and bestial swiftness while leveling aren't terrible either, but they're not really endgame talents.
Cats are a great way to go. At 70 the highest dps pets are Wind Serpent/Ravager (depending on gear) followed by cats. Can't go wrong.
Without going into too much detail, different beasts have different ranks of different abilities. Every time you want a new rank of a specific ability, you have to find out what beast has it (petopia.brashendeavors.net), go tame it, and then use the skill until you personally use that rank. You are then free to teach that rank of that skill to any pet capable of learning it.
Blizzard has done as much as they can to water down pet selection. As far as neat (read: useful abilities) go, cats can prowl, owls/birds can screech to lower enemy attack power, and windserpents can attack from range with lightning breath. Boars have charge but its usefulness has been significantly diminished. Scorpids are ok for PvP because of scorpid poison.
At lower levels your pet should be doing most of the work. I'd just shoot for not running out of mana too quickly and getting used to squeezing your specials in between autoshots. Hunter dps changes radically at 62 with steady shot, but that's not something you have to worry about for now
Not a whole lot, to be honest. The problem with DS is that it's a static, non scaling amount of threat (900 threat at max rank). It's useful for getting mobs into your traps, but that's about it. You can use it as part of your Misdirect rotation as well.
So how it works is, you stable your main pet. Then go out and tame some random thing that knows the skill you want. Tool around for a bit killing things and then once you learn the skill from it you abandon it then go back and teach it to your main.
As well as those skills you also get some ones from the pet trainer, but the main attack skills will all need to be learned from wild mobs. Petopia has some more indepth articles on the subject. Such as this one
Your rotation is: spam a macro (this is endgame, while questing, yes, just do whatever and let your pet hold aggro)
/cast !Auto Shot
/cast Steady Shot
Distracting shot is used exactly for that, you can also use normal skills, but... I dunno. It has it's uses - for instance, you can build extra threat on an already trapped mob because it doesn't deal damage, and then that mob won't chase healers when it comes out.
And... I'll stop typing because someone answered the rest.
So that's about the only time I use it. Other than on pulls where I need a mob to run over my trap. Then it's the same three shots, sans misdirect.
And you can toss any pet you don't want after you learn their skill. Yeah, you generally just go out and find a cat that has claw level 6 or a boar with gore level 5 or whatever, tame then, then use them til you get their skill. Then you kick their ass to the curb and go back to your snugglepuss. It's a good idea to pick one pet that you want to use until 70. You can change which pet that is, but you generally want to use just one. Especially since pets can fall really far behind if you do a lot of quests. Use either a Cat, Raptor, Ravager, or Boar.
Meh, it's not exactly easy to keep two pets current level when the bulk of your experience comes from quests. I leveled two pets most of the way, but gave up on one around level 60. What typically happens is something like:
- You ding 60 with two level 59 pets. Pet 1 hits 60 when you're about 75% of the way to 61.
- You switch pets. You ding 61 before the second pet even hits 60. You manage to get pet 2 to 61 right before you ding 62.
- You switch back to pet 1 (60) before it falls too far behind. You now have to get it to level twice before you hit 63...
It is entirely possible to keep two pets leveled as you go. It's just not easy to do without slowing your personal leveling way down.
After visiting Petopia, I was actually able to go get some really cool transparent snow leapord looking pet from Darkshore. Took me a while to get the bastard, but it was worth it.
If you can have only a max of 3 pets, what are some other ones that you guys suggest picking up? Is Dash that good that I should make sure every pet I get has it? ie: What are the best pets for Instancing/Raiding and PvP?
Edit: Oh yeah, one more question. Petopia says dash can be learned at 30, but the only animals I see with the skill on the list are level 32. Is it possible to get Dash prior to level 32?
if you're trying to kite while other things beat on the mob its really good.
Yesterday.
get a pet that eats bread and you'll be happier.
Is there some kind of magical bread that you can feed a pet in-combat?
Right, but that wasn't my complaint -- my complaint was that there're certain fights where I can either have my pet out and be almost guaranteed that he'll die, or dismiss him for a given phase and lose DPS. I'm specifically referring to Zul'jin's eagle phase here, where physical DPS is pretty much the only kind that's going to get you through to the next part of the fight.
and Illidan is more of a "fuck your pet" fight than anything else i've ever seen. Its like
Oh look every single phase of the fight includes moving a mob because he puts fire down but dont move him too far because the fire sticks around for a while. Oh noes your pet is standing in the fire! I had my pet at angry before phase two was over on multiple occasions.
Blue says a lot of things that don't happen.
Boars are not that great anymore.
I actually really like bats. Slightly better dps than owls, draw aggro like crazy, aoe taunt, spammable focus dump.
Feeding them is a pain but not bad once you get in the habit of loading up on fruit/fungus whenever you go back to town.
Just don't tame a crocolisk. The fuckers sound like Darth Vader every few seconds.
There is that, though in instances it can be a bit of a pain because it seems like they always want to fly in front of either the camera or whatever I'm targeting at the moment.
My raptor (Grimlock because I am a massive nerd) has served me well since I got him. My boar kinda...fell out of favor. I think I'll keep it into Outland just because of the idea of a Troll and his raptor exploring strange new worlds together.