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Democratic Debates: the finale

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited February 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Yes, this is the last one. And the Democrats got jobbed on the moderation front.

Edit: It is now Clinton vs. Obama! Fuck yeah!



Location: Hollywood, California

Network: CNN

Date & Time: January 31, 8:00 P.M. EST

Candidates:

Hillary Clinton
Barack Obama

Moderators: Wolf Blitzer

Webstream: www.cnn.com



This is not the general primaries thread. General primaries talk goes here.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    What's with all the Wolf Blitzer hate? I've just been paying attention to debates as of late, so I'm not really clued in.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    You'll find out soon enough.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Okay folks, listen up.

    Politico.com is the cosponsor of both tonight's Republican Debate and Tomorrow's Democratic Debate. Tonight, shortly before the debate, and also during it, they employed a feature whereby visitors to the website could vote on which questions each candidate would be asked on a variety of issues.

    For example, there were three questions that could possibly have been asked of McCain about the economy, and it was possible to choose which of the three you wanted Anderson Cooper to ask in the debate. I'm not sure what effect it wound up having, but it couldn't have hurt.

    It is possible there will be a similar opportunity regarding the questions to be asked of Clinton and Obama at tomorrow's debate. Which could be a factor in who does better in the debate. In other words, we could give Obama a hand here.

    I'll keep everyone posted; I visit Politico pretty frequently when I'm not in class.

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  • jotatejotate Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Tarranon wrote: »
    What's with all the Wolf Blitzer hate? I've just been paying attention to debates as of late, so I'm not really clued in.

    Real excerpts from previous Wolf moderated debates (pick your favorite):

    Wolf: Was Bill Clinton the first black president?
    Entire Viewing Population: What the fuck?

    -

    Wolf: Will you dedicate yourself to stopping Iran from having nukes regardless of what it takes?
    Obama: Well, it's not cut and dry issue...
    Wolf: Yes or no?
    Obama: There has to be some nuance to...
    Wolf: YES OR NO, SENATOR?

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  • Gnome-InterruptusGnome-Interruptus Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Yes or no? what type of bullshit debate is that?

    Last I checked, a debate required some actual explaining and detailing of positions.

    If Wolf Blitzer wants a yes/no program, why doesnt he just write down all the questions and hand the candidates some bubble test sheets with No.2 pencils.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The good news is that I think Obama's learned how to handle Blitzer. He at least seemed to shut him up quick in the Nevada debate, though really, all three candidates helped in that respect.

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  • jotatejotate Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Yes or no? what type of bullshit debate is that?

    Last I checked, a debate required some actual explaining and detailing of positions.

    If Wolf Blitzer wants a yes/no program, why doesnt he just write down all the questions and hand the candidates some bubble test sheets with No.2 pencils.

    I don't think you'll find anyone in this thread that will disagree with you. Unless they're suggesting that Wolf keep the pencils for himself...
    ...stabbed through his temple.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    I will be watching this from Zimmydoom's place. So I might or might not be poasting depending on his set-up.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I know someone famously quipped that Bill was the first black president...

    but what that has to do with anything relevant today, much less in a debate..

    O_o

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  • SavantSavant Simply Barbaric Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Harrier wrote: »
    The good news is that I think Obama's learned how to handle Blitzer. He at least seemed to shut him up quick in the Nevada debate, though really, all three candidates helped in that respect.

    Wolf also stifled himself a bit willingly, due to a lot of people complaining about he handled the earlier debates.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm... I'm actually sad about Edwards. I liked him. I still like him. Here's hoping for the future.

    Not to say I'm sad Obama's looking good, but still. A good solid 16 years of democracy and liberalism would make me happy.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    So how will being one of only two people on stage affect Obama?

    I think it should help him- he has a single opponent, and he'll be speaking as much to the nation as to Clinton or Blitzer. Those seem to be settings where he feels more at ease.

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  • fightinfilipinofightinfilipino Angry as Hell #BLMRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    they will probably be standing though. Obama seems more comfortable sitting down in debates.

    i can only hope that Wolf behaves himself.

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  • Rufus_ShinraRufus_Shinra Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Man, I'm sad to see Edwards leave.

    Despite his poor showing in the polls, I think the issues that Democrats are discussing in these debates in large part shaped by what he has talked about.

    I would have no problems with Edwards as VP or as Attorney General.

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  • HarrierHarrier The Star Spangled Man Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Man, I'm sad to see Edwards leave.

    Despite his poor showing in the polls, I think the issues that Democrats are discussing in these debates in large part shaped by what he has talked about.

    I would have no problems with Edwards as VP or as Attorney General.
    It would be glorious to see the lobbyists and the overweening bureaucrats quake in fear as Edwards takes his oath of office at the Justice Department.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Tarranon wrote: »
    I know someone famously quipped that Bill was the first black president...

    but what that has to do with anything relevant today, much less in a debate..

    O_o

    It was Toni Morrison.

    She has endorsed Obama by the way.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    I think without Edwards to help him gang up on Clinton, Obama might be in trouble.

    His speaking style doesn't seem to lend itself to serious verbal combat.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    Tarranon wrote: »
    I know someone famously quipped that Bill was the first black president...

    but what that has to do with anything relevant today, much less in a debate..

    O_o

    It was Toni Morrison.

    She has endorsed Obama by the way.

    Now that you mention it, I remember hearing about that. That is awesome.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Wait, Gravel's still in? Where is he for this debate? Unless he officially dropped out and a caller on NPR was mistaken, he's still hanging on. Nominally, at least.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm really into the debates this time around but I feel like I've missed something.

    who is Hillary Clinton?

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Variable wrote: »
    I'm really into the debates this time around but I feel like I've missed something.

    who is Hillary Clinton?

    She's moderating the debate between Wolf Blitzer and Barack Obama.

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  • VariableVariable Mouth Congress Stroke Me Lady FameRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    Variable wrote: »
    I'm really into the debates this time around but I feel like I've missed something.

    who is Hillary Clinton?

    She's moderating the debate between Wolf Blitzer and Barack Obama.

    thanks I was very confused.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    I think without Edwards to help him gang up on Clinton, Obama might be in trouble.

    His speaking style doesn't seem to lend itself to serious verbal combat.

    Yeah he really shines more in either conversational tones, or in high oratory.

    On the other hand, Hillary comes off as shrewish when she's being confrontational.

    I am hoping that he has prepared a little better for dealing with her directly than he did last time.

    He could actually take some cues from Reagan here.

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  • ShintoShinto __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    He could actually take some cues from Reagan here.

    REAGAN!?!?!?!! HOW DARE YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM REAGAN!!1!1!

    DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHERE HE GAVE SOME SPEECH IN SOME PLACE

    PROTIP: IT WAS ALL VERY RACIST

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    Wait, Gravel's still in? Where is he for this debate? Unless he officially dropped out and a caller on NPR was mistaken, he's still hanging on. Nominally, at least.

    He's taking "time-off" because of health issues, but hasn't dropped out for some reason.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Wait, Gravel's still in? Where is he for this debate? Unless he officially dropped out and a caller on NPR was mistaken, he's still hanging on. Nominally, at least.

    He's taking "time-off" because of health issues, but hasn't dropped out for some reason.

    Maybe he forgot? If I'm thinking of the right guy, he's an angry, crotchety old man. It would be kind of endearing if he forgot to officially rescind.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Wait, Gravel's still in? Where is he for this debate? Unless he officially dropped out and a caller on NPR was mistaken, he's still hanging on. Nominally, at least.
    He's taking "time-off" because of health issues, but hasn't dropped out for some reason.
    Maybe he forgot? If I'm thinking of the right guy, he's an angry, crotchety old man. It would be kind of endearing if he forgot to officially rescind.
    Gravel sort of like the Democratic Ron Paul, but less obviously crazy.

    Also, postin’ so I remember the thread.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Gravel will show up in his bathrobe and slippers complaining the Wolf never calls anymore

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  • His CorkinessHis Corkiness Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The last thing we need in a Democratic debate is anything to do with Reagan

    Lord knows there's more than enough of him in the Republican debates

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The last thing we need in a Democratic debate is anything to do with Reagan

    Lord knows there's more than enough of him in the Republican debates
    Share the love.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited January 2008
    Are you fucking kidding me? They get Anderson last night and we get Wolf? I don't mean the good American Gladiators Wolf either. I mean the "Obama, you're black. How is that going to influence voters?" stupid fucker Wolf Blitzer.

    Hopefully I'll be back from grocery shopping by then.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    Shinto wrote: »
    I think without Edwards to help him gang up on Clinton, Obama might be in trouble.

    His speaking style doesn't seem to lend itself to serious verbal combat.

    During the last debate, I thought he was handling Hillary pretty well until Edwards started tag teaming him. I'm optimistic.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    I hope so. I don't want to see it degenerate into that McCain/ Romney quibblefest that we saw last night.

    A debate that diminishes both of them plays to Hillary, since apparently her voters aren't terribly concerned with how she comes off in general.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Guys, I heard that Jesse Jackson did very respectably in the 1988 Democratic primary Iowa debate.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I hope so. I don't want to see it degenerate into that McCain/ Romney quibblefest that we saw last night.

    A debate that diminishes both of them plays to Hillary, since apparently her voters aren't terribly concerned with how she comes off in general.
    Obama, then, just has to try for a debate where she does her bridge-burning thing and he sloughs it off. Note all the little percieved slights she might possibly bring up, have ready some way to turn them around on her. Now that he knows what she's willing to do to win the primary, be ready for it.

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    Guys, I heard that Jesse Jackson did very respectably in the 1988 Democratic primary Iowa debate.

    Not because he's black or anything though. I mean he ran a good campaign, right?

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  • Irond WillIrond Will WARNING: NO HURTFUL COMMENTS, PLEASE!!!!! Cambridge. MAModerator Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I hope so. I don't want to see it degenerate into that McCain/ Romney quibblefest that we saw last night.

    A debate that diminishes both of them plays to Hillary, since apparently her voters aren't terribly concerned with how she comes off in general.
    Obama, then, just has to try for a debate where she does her bridge-burning thing and he sloughs it off. Note all the little percieved slights she might possibly bring up, have ready some way to turn them around on her. Now that he knows what she's willing to do to win the primary, be ready for it.

    He needs to appropriate Reagan's avuncular "There you go again, Hillary"

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    Guys, I heard that Jesse Jackson did very respectably in the 1988 Democratic primary Iowa debate.

    Not because he's black or anything though. I mean he ran a good campaign, right?

    Oh yeah. I mean, there were those anti-semitic remarks in 1984, but all in all, he did super. Second place with 30% of the votes isn't bad at all.

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  • GoslingGosling Looking Up Soccer In Mongolia Right Now, Probably Watertown, WIRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Irond Will wrote: »
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I hope so. I don't want to see it degenerate into that McCain/ Romney quibblefest that we saw last night.

    A debate that diminishes both of them plays to Hillary, since apparently her voters aren't terribly concerned with how she comes off in general.
    Obama, then, just has to try for a debate where she does her bridge-burning thing and he sloughs it off. Note all the little percieved slights she might possibly bring up, have ready some way to turn them around on her. Now that he knows what she's willing to do to win the primary, be ready for it.

    He needs to appropriate Reagan's avuncular "There you go again, Hillary"
    That would be about it. Just word it differently so the media regards it as his own.

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    mtvcdm wrote: »
    Irond Will wrote: »
    I hope so. I don't want to see it degenerate into that McCain/ Romney quibblefest that we saw last night.

    A debate that diminishes both of them plays to Hillary, since apparently her voters aren't terribly concerned with how she comes off in general.
    Obama, then, just has to try for a debate where she does her bridge-burning thing and he sloughs it off. Note all the little percieved slights she might possibly bring up, have ready some way to turn them around on her. Now that he knows what she's willing to do to win the primary, be ready for it.

    And make a point to shake her hand on camera right at the onset of the debate. Just to stop the inevitable 'zomg wtf bbqsauce at teh state of the union' question that Wolf is trumping up right this very moment.

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