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The Walking Dead.

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  • Evil AvatarEvil Avatar Registered User
    edited August 2008
    It's just you. Twenty-two pages of art/story per month, and then the other stuff (lettercolumns, pinups, whatever) in addition to that. The letters aren't taking away from anything, he's just taking a tact from Bendis.

    To show my age, I remember when an average comic book was 32 pages, not 22. To me, each issue of Walking Dead is missing 10 pages.

    How many pages does an average Marvel/DC title have now?

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Yep, 32 pages, and ten of those pages are adds. I've been reading comics for twenty two years.

    Anyhow, comic stories used to be 17 pages per issue, but they bumped that up to 22 pages per issue at some point in the 80s (to justify a price increase, if I'm remembering correctly). Standard art/story page count has been 22 pages ever since. Obviously, 'milestone' issues some times get more.

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  • Evil AvatarEvil Avatar Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Yep, 32 pages, and ten of those pages are adds. I've been reading comics for twenty two years.

    Anyhow, comic stories used to be 17 pages per issue, but they bumped that up to 22 pages per issue at some point in the 80s (to justify a price increase, if I'm remembering correctly). Standard art/story page count has been 22 pages ever since. Obviously, 'milestone' issues some times get more.

    I guess it is just me. It just feels like you don't get much story in each issue of Walking Dead compared to some of the other titles I buy.

    I just read Final Crisis, Rogue's Revenge and Welcome to Hoxford and it seemed like a whole heck of a lot more was happening in those comics compared to how little story movement each issue of Walking Dead has.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I would agree that the story reads a bit 'short' from issue to issue, but I'm assuming that's because a) Kirkman doesn't use captions (hell, he might not even use thought balloons), and b) Adlard seems to use a lot of large panel pages per issue.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited August 2008
    You used to get more story in an issue because they were packed with text. Comics have since gone more cinematic, using pictures to tell the story rather than words, which is nice in some respects, but you can't cram as much story into an issue that way.

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  • beta_angelbeta_angel ColoradoRegistered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I keep up with the book. It's one of the more enjoyable zombie books out there right now and while it has had it's ups and downs (far more ups, imo), I think it's a solid book for what it is.

    I enjoy.

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  • DroolDrool Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    So I bought the first trade last night kind of on a whim. I had heard it was good here and other places, but it was very different from what I expected, and in a good way.

    I thought it was just going to be a cool zombie book, but I was surprised that it's so character focused, rather than plot focused like most comics. Even for just an intro to they really get you invested in the characters, and the art is beautiful.

    I think I might have to go back to the book store and get the second trade tonight.

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  • The Dark HillbillyThe Dark Hillbilly Registered User
    edited August 2008
    This is a really good series. The art isn't always up to the standards set by the first trade, but it's pretty damned good.

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  • Toxic ToysToxic Toys Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    I would agree that the story reads a bit 'short' from issue to issue, but I'm assuming that's because a) Kirkman doesn't use captions (hell, he might not even use thought balloons), and b) Adlard seems to use a lot of large panel pages per issue.

    He doesn't use thought balloons. I read that in this issue's letter section and was about to call BS. After flipping through the trades I have I haven't seen one.

    I got to admit that the art is good enough to let you see what people might be thinking.

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  • DroolDrool Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    It gives it that cinematic feel. He admits it's an ongoing zombie movie, it's nice to see him run with it by getting rid of narration/though bubbles.

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  • ServoServo Registered User, ClubPA
    edited August 2008
    thought balloons are actually extremely uncommon in modern comics

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  • Toxic ToysToxic Toys Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Servo wrote: »
    thought balloons are actually extremely uncommon in modern comics

    The thought balloon is rare, but the total lack of any kind of narration bubble/box is not.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    Holy crap. I only read the trades, I really shouldn't be looking at this thread. The last trade ended with
    The main and the kid running away from the prison

    So I think you guys are already three comics past that. Good comic. Goodbye thread.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited August 2008
    My boss snagged me a print at comicon that appears to allude to some future story direction.
    The title of the print is "The Road to Washington" and features a shot of Washington with mucho dead zombies everywhere. Sounds to me like the characters in the book may start looking for some answers soon.

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  • Mikal kHillMikal kHill Registered User
    edited August 2008
    Walking Dead is fantastic. It is a drama first, and a horrorcomic second, and I definately dig that.

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  • Igpx407Igpx407 Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    My boss snagged me a print at comicon that appears to allude to some future story direction.
    The title of the print is "The Road to Washington" and features a shot of Washington with mucho dead zombies everywhere. Sounds to me like the characters in the book may start looking for some answers soon.

    Can you post a picture of this?

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited September 2008
    Igpx407 wrote: »
    My boss snagged me a print at comicon that appears to allude to some future story direction.
    The title of the print is "The Road to Washington" and features a shot of Washington with mucho dead zombies everywhere. Sounds to me like the characters in the book may start looking for some answers soon.

    Can you post a picture of this?

    Honestly, I don't know how to post a picture. I'm an inter-web moron. I can take a pic and email it to you though.

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited September 2008
    take a picture, head to imageshack... pretty easy

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  • Tucanwarrior13Tucanwarrior13 Registered User
    edited September 2008
    I love how within 2 full TPB's of it the zombies became an afterthought. They were no longer the threat.

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  • MAD!MAD! Registered User
    edited September 2008
    I love how within 2 full TPB's of it the zombies became an afterthought. They were no longer the threat.

    I think that this will change in the future. especially with the "on the move" direction the series is now taking

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  • The Dark HillbillyThe Dark Hillbilly Registered User
    edited September 2008
    I just reread the stretches of story from their time in the prison. They're pretty amazing on my second read. You see these people with all the comforts they could possibly wish for right in front of them. They've got security, food, water, guns and ammunition, the ability to self sustain, and an undamaged generator that could lead to electricity. Hell they've even got a guy that knows how to farm and has some medical knowledge (if veterinary).

    What happens ? The stress of the changes in these people's lives pushes them to tear each other apart. Some ally with the enemy, some make plans to ditch the group, some begin to resent each other.... it really really is some great stuff.

    I take back the things I said about it being boring. It's a soap opera, to be sure, but not boring.

    Now it's going back to zombies vs survivors on the run.

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  • AntibodiesAntibodies Used to live in a psychic city. Never knew what would happen in a day. Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Just got on board with this series myself after needing more hot zombie action finishing off World War Z- I'm looking for pretty much anything good in the genre, films, books, comics- whatever.

    I got the first two trades and thoroughly enjoyed them. I've asked for all the rest of the trades for Christmas so we'll see how far I get. I attended a Kirkman panel discussion at Wizard World Chicago this summer and was definitely intrigued but out of the loop as I wasn't reading the series then so its interesting to see all the drama unfolding catch up to what was spoiled for me back then. Hopefully I'll have them all read by next summer and hopefully I can complain about things to the man himself at the con as he was extremely personable and friendly.

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  • PikaPuffPikaPuff Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    abort and get the hard backs. unless that's what you mean by trades. there's like 8 paperbacks, and 3 hard backs (with about 3 paperbacks worth in each, so the same amount). and the hardbacks have extra stories inside them. the first about that family the main character first meets, showing the two celebrating christmas

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  • Dorktron9000Dorktron9000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Yeah, go with the books instead. The art is bigger, the covers are all collected in the back, and the price is just right. I got book 4 signed and numbered for under 50 bucks.

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  • AntibodiesAntibodies Used to live in a psychic city. Never knew what would happen in a day. Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't know- I think the $10 paperbacks are a steal at less than $2 an issue. The hardbacks are like $30 for for 12 issues which is slightly more expensive. I wasn't aware of the extra content though- that makes it for me, I'll go with the books from now on.

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  • exitexit Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    i haven't caught up on WD because i absolutely despised the area around issue 50. does it get better again?

    my main problem with it was
    the prison was enough. i could've lived with a little more soap opera, or i would've been totally happy with it ending there. but the way he brought in the RIDICULOUS force to destroy the safety just felt like.. well, he wanted the comic to keep going without much caring for logic.

    i realize logic is stretched in a zombie apocalypse, but having a half dead, one-eyed amputee who should have been deceased three times over charge into the prison atop a tank? seriously that is some metal gear solid shit.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It gets better again.

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  • Dorktron9000Dorktron9000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    exit wrote: »
    i haven't caught up on WD because i absolutely despised the area around issue 50. does it get better again?

    my main problem with it was
    the prison was enough. i could've lived with a little more soap opera, or i would've been totally happy with it ending there. but the way he brought in the RIDICULOUS force to destroy the safety just felt like.. well, he wanted the comic to keep going without much caring for logic.

    i realize logic is stretched in a zombie apocalypse, but having a half dead, one-eyed amputee who should have been deceased three times over charge into the prison atop a tank? seriously that is some metal gear solid shit.
    Man, what are you saying? You dislike that which is badass?

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  • KyleWPetersonKyleWPeterson Registered User
    edited December 2008
    I go with the trades myself since I don't really think the simple black and white art warrants over-sized treatment.

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  • Zombie NirvanaZombie Nirvana Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Man, what are you saying? You dislike that which is badass?

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure he just said it was too awesome for him.

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  • Real_DealReal_Deal Registered User, ClubPA
    edited December 2008
    exit wrote: »
    i haven't caught up on WD because i absolutely despised the area around issue 50. does it get better again?

    my main problem with it was
    the prison was enough. i could've lived with a little more soap opera, or i would've been totally happy with it ending there. but the way he brought in the RIDICULOUS force to destroy the safety just felt like.. well, he wanted the comic to keep going without much caring for logic.

    i realize logic is stretched in a zombie apocalypse, but having a half dead, one-eyed amputee who should have been deceased three times over charge into the prison atop a tank? seriously that is some metal gear solid shit.

    You are 100% correct.
    Kirkman painted himself into a corner by making that prison TOO sufficient. Then he was forced to make all the characters shit the bed over and over again until finally they were forced to leave.

    A non-retarded solution to his problem would have been to leave the characters in the prison and shift focus (temporarily) to ANOTHER set of survivors that go to
    Washington DC to find the cure
    and then have this second group of survivors end up at the prison later.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    I don't have any problems with how the story has played out so far - it seems logical and consistent with how the book has always been written.

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  • Dorktron9000Dorktron9000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Exactly. A big theme in the book is that no one is ever safe. Even when they're safe. A prison is one of the safest, most secure places that a group of survivors could find. Be that as it may, they still could not make their lives resemble what they were before. The whole situation eroded until it broke down completely.

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  • exitexit Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Exactly. A big theme in the book is that no one is ever safe. Even when they're safe. A prison is one of the safest, most secure places that a group of survivors could find. Be that as it may, they still could not make their lives resemble what they were before. The whole situation eroded until it broke down completely.

    it eroded because he wrote in a magical meteor to come crashing down

    i'm not saying the event itself didn't have all the ingredients for awesome. just awesome in a different place where they didn't scream of being forced.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    Maybe it's just me, but I didn't find that unrealistic at all (though I didn't like that stretch either, in my case it's because I just didn't think it was good and the side trip into torture porn disturbed me).
    Honestly, my biggest gripe with zombie apocalypses is why there aren't more groups like the Governor's. Little out of the way places with relatively low population density that can effectively seal themselves off with some national guard/military resources and beat back any small groups of wandering zombies. Hell, the entire midwest and plain states should be nothing but fortified military dictatorships with occasional hellscapes in the former cities.

    Given that kind of a group that logically seems like it would come into existence, it doesn't seem at all unlikely that they'd be heavily armed, xenophobic as hell, and willing to fuck over anyone and everyone they came into contact with that they considered outsiders.

    The tank may be overkill, but it isn't unreasonable and the idea a larger heavily armed group could overrun a small relatively peaceful group of protagonists seems to just make sense to me.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    They've yet to show evidence that there aren't more groups around and about.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    exit wrote: »
    Exactly. A big theme in the book is that no one is ever safe. Even when they're safe. A prison is one of the safest, most secure places that a group of survivors could find. Be that as it may, they still could not make their lives resemble what they were before. The whole situation eroded until it broke down completely.

    it eroded because he wrote in a magical meteor to come crashing down

    i'm not saying the event itself didn't have all the ingredients for awesome. just awesome in a different place where they didn't scream of being forced.

    It wasn't a "magical meteor" at all, in fact, it was perfectly logical. They see a helicopter crash so they go try to find out what happened. That leads them to Newbury. In a situation like this there would be people like the Governer and it would have been silly for Kirkman not to address it. Plus, the Governer knew they needed a more fortified area than Newbury so he went for the prison.

    With regards to the tank it was foreshadowed in an earlier issue. It was determined none of the "good" guys knew how to use a tank so they simply left it. The Governer's group did know how to use it and as such they did. Lesson learned for the survivors.

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    As an aside - for anyone that's enjoying TWD, you might also want to give THE CROSSED a shot. It's a great little book (though definitely a bit more harsh than TWD, content wise).

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Registered User regular
    edited December 2008
    What is it?

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited December 2008
    It's sort of a zombie book, but with intelligent, sadistic zombie people. There have only been three issues published so far. Warning - the book is a) DEFINITELY NOT WORK SAFE, and b) definitely not safe for kids. But I'd say it's one of the better things Ennis has wrote.

    Of course, I'm a sucker for zombie or zombie-esque material.

    Here's an interview Ennis did about the book, along with some art (work safe):

    http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=16780

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