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BREAKING NEWS: Shooting at North Illinois University...

ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
edited February 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
UPDATING AS NEWS COMES IN...

STORY: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/nui.shooting.campus.2.654370.html

North Illinois University

Initial reports say 18 wounded and taken to hospital, two killed.

Suspect dead, allegedly self-inflicted.

Fired 20 rounds into a classroom.

Witness states that the shooter was a white man wearing black.

This is as of 2:59 p.m. PST.

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    QuothQuoth the Raven Miami, FL FOR REALRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I don't know. Honestly, if a douchebag like this gets it into his head that he really wants to off a bunch of people, will limiting his legal access to guns really make a difference?

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Might want to change the title to NIU so it seems less like UI-UC is the subject.

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    ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Quoth wrote: »
    I don't know. Honestly, if a douchebag like this gets it into his head that he really wants to off a bunch of people, will limiting his legal access to guns really make a difference?

    Guns certainly make the work easier.

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    LykouraghLykouragh Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I think the point is that guns will be had by psychotic people, whether they are legal or not.

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    GooeyGooey (\/)┌¶─¶┐(\/) pinch pinchRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    How about we wait to jump all over the gun control debate until the facts are clear, if only out of the respect for the victims?

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    LeitnerLeitner Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Lykouragh wrote: »
    I think the point is that guns will be had by psychotic people, whether they are legal or not.

    Uh, this isn't all that true. I mean yeah America right now couldn't outlaw guns, but plenty of countries have made it incredibly hard to get access to guns. To the point that most psychotic people can't get guns, especially the more effective ones.

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    TavTav Irish Minister for DefenceRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Is this the second college shooting this week? I mean, that's pretty frightening...

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    RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Sadly, i am relieved that the net body count was less than five, a low number that makes me believe that there will be less grieving than if it was 30+ like at VT.

    Still tragic and I refuse to look or read anything else about the subject until Monday because until the mess is sorted out, everything you hear will just be a mindless cocktease.

    edit: after I finish reading the little bits about the shooting on the front page of CNN.com, I notice another link that says a little boy shotguns his sister over a bag of chips. I don't know whether I am more appalled over the boy's actions or that CNN used shotgun as a verb the same way that we gamers might use it.

    Oh, and the gun control debate will never happen in America because for true and just gun control legislation to occur, gun rights advocates would have to give up a lot of their guns and gun control advocate would have to admit that people have a right to own weapons and would have to start admitting a lot of things that they don't want to admit and that if every home in America had a legally registered firearm, there would be nothing they (gun control advocates) could do about it.

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    nosnibornosnibor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Regarding the OP's question, I'm assuming he/she means a serious conversation about gun control. I'd be curious to know specifically what measures could be taken to prevent something like this without changing the U.S. Constitution, or state constitutions.

    I mention state constitutions because like the OP I live in WA state, and the state constitution specifically states that there is an individual right to bear arms. Which is a hell of a lot clearer than the U.S. Constitution.

    (Article I)
    SECTION 24 RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men.

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    CabezoneCabezone Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I read that the dude used shotgun. Could be why there was confusion as the the number shot. Lots of people prolly took some buckshot, especially if he used a sawed off.

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Before what? For all you know his weapon could have been legally obtained.

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    spacerobotspacerobot Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Oh man, I have a few friends who still go there. A lot of people from my hometown high school end up going there... I hope everyone is ok.
    And CNN is reporting that 17 people have been shot, but the coroner's office has reported no fatalities.

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    PreacherPreacher Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Gooey wrote: »
    How about we wait to jump all over the gun control debate until the facts are clear, if only out of the respect for the victims?

    Yeah I'm going to support the gooey iniative here. All in favor say "ZOMG". All opposed say "lulz".

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    ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited February 2008
    So, is this a gun-control thread or a news-item thread? Mixing the two is, generally, a pretty bad idea, OP guy.

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    chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I love how people actually believe that there's no way for someone to get a gun other than legally.

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    ZahaladeenZahaladeen Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    So, is this a gun-control thread or a news-item thread? Mixing the two is, generally, a pretty bad idea, OP guy.

    Corrected.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Yup, this is my college. I just graduated a month or so ago.

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    The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    chasm wrote: »
    I love how people actually believe that there's no way for someone to get a gun other than legally.

    Well what is easier? Getting a gun legally? Or illegally?

    I'd find it pretty hard to get hold of a gun in England right now. There is maybe one gun shop within 50 miles of where I live. And even then, I'd need a whole boatload of licenses.

    Just seems strange to me, no, un fathomable, that some people pretend that having strict gun laws is pointless, or unworkable.

    How many people are going to be shot per year before some action is taken? It is puzzling.

    Gun crime is also top of my list of 'cons' for moving to the united states (which I have been working on for about a year). I don't want to get shot, and moving for work to New York or San Francisco worries me.

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    MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Yup, this is my college. I just graduated a month or so ago.

    I'm still here. I had a class in Cole this morning. Luckily, it wasn't this afternoon.

    They're still sorting through the chaos, but CNN's reporting 5 dead including the gunman.

    edit: you know, it might be a little insensitive to turn this into a gun debate

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Monoxide wrote: »
    MegaMan001 wrote: »
    Yup, this is my college. I just graduated a month or so ago.

    I'm still here. I had a class in Cole this morning. Luckily, it wasn't this afternoon.

    They're still sorting through the chaos, but CNN's reporting 5 dead including the gunman.

    edit: you know, it might be a little insensitive to turn this into a gun debate

    considering how five people were just fucking killed with one six blocks from my apartment

    Holy shit, Monoxide - I didn't know you were there. Are people doing okay? I called all of my friends and everyone I know seems to be accounted for.

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    nosnibornosnibor Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    self-deleted for insensitivity

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    PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    chasm wrote: »
    I love how people actually believe that there's no way for someone to get a gun other than legally.

    Well what is easier? Getting a gun legally? Or illegally?

    I'd find it pretty hard to get hold of a gun in England right now. There is maybe one gun shop within 50 miles of where I live. And even then, I'd need a whole boatload of licenses.

    Just seems strange to me, no, un fathomable, that some people pretend that having strict gun laws is pointless, or unworkable.

    How many people are going to be shot per year before some action is taken? It is puzzling.

    Gun crime is also top of my list of 'cons' for moving to the united states (which I have been working on for about a year). I don't want to get shot, and moving for work to New York or San Francisco worries me.

    The thing is, nobody is going to run to the gun shop, buy a gun and bullets, and go shoot up a classroom. The meager restrictions in the US already cover that. Most of these shootings are well planned, and strict gun controls aren't going to completely end school shootings.
    Besides, didn't a school shooting happen in Norway, where guns are almost impossible to obtain?

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    MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Everyone I've been able to get ahold of is fine, and everyone they've talked to is also okay. I know someone who was in the class when it happened, but I don't think I know any of the victims. Who knows, though. Cell phone coverage died ten minutes after it happened since the tower was so overloaded, so I'm just now starting to call people who I didn't get to talk to online.

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    Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    So every single one of his shots hit somebody? Wow. I wonder if he'll release a manifesto of some sort.

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    PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    So every single one of his shots hit somebody? Wow. I wonder if he'll release a manifesto of some sort.

    But it appears that nobody has died.
    Then again people could be in serious condition.

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    MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    So every single one of his shots hit somebody? Wow. I wonder if he'll release a manifesto of some sort.

    But it appears that nobody has died.
    Then again people could be in serious condition.

    University Gunman Kills 4.

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    MegaMan001MegaMan001 CRNA Rochester, MNRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Monoxide wrote: »
    Everyone I've been able to get ahold of is fine, and everyone they've talked to is also okay. I know someone who was in the class when it happened, but I don't think I know any of the victims. Who knows, though. Cell phone coverage died ten minutes after it happened since the tower was so overloaded, so I'm just now starting to call people who I didn't get to talk to online.

    Glad to hear it.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    It sure seems to be a bunch of damn shootings this year.

    This, those shootings at that city council meeting, the Lane Bryant shootings, and a few others that just seem off from the usual gang-related stuff.

    Of course it could just be media attention.

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    chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Or it could be because people are fucking crazy.

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    The Midas TouchThe Midas Touch __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2008
    Terrible. I would like to hear this guys reasons on why he thought these people had to die.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Terrible. I would like to hear this guys reasons on why he thought these people had to die.

    Does it matter?

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    chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I don't care why he did it. I just care that he was too much of a pussy to just off himself instead of destroying other peoples' lives and families.

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    Marty81Marty81 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Tav wrote: »
    Is this the second college shooting this week? I mean, that's pretty frightening...

    According to the BBC, it's the second college shooting this week and the forth shooting at an educational institution within the last 7 days:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7246003.stm

    WTF.

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    It sure seems to be a bunch of damn shootings this year.

    This, those shootings at that city council meeting, the Lane Bryant shootings, and a few others that just seem off from the usual gang-related stuff.

    Of course it could just be media attention.

    It's strange particularly since violent crimes have been trending downward for a longass time now. Chicago's the safest it's been in decades (for adults, I think teens are still pretty fucked with gangs in some areas) yet Tinley Park just last week and now this. Hell, neither of them were even typical homicides or manslaughter, but premeditated executions of sorts.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    It's the end times I tell you, repent before the Flying Spaghetti Monster returns to destroy us all!

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    Spacehog85Spacehog85 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    It's the end times I tell you, repent before the Flying Spaghetti Monster returns to destroy us all!

    Wow, isn't there somewhere you could go to get bent?

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Spacehog85 wrote: »
    Kagera wrote: »
    It's the end times I tell you, repent before the Flying Spaghetti Monster returns to destroy us all!

    Wow, isn't there somewhere you could go to get bent?

    I'll go look.

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    Al_watAl_wat Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    These always piss me off. I don't understand the mindset behind deciding you have to go out and just kill innocent people like that.

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    BallmanBallman Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Al_wat wrote: »
    These always piss me off. I don't understand the mindset behind deciding you have to go out and just kill innocent people like that.

    Seriously. The VA Tech shooting last year just left me numb inside for a long time. I'm an engineering student, and you see maybe a hundred other faceless engineers every day. It's scary as hell to think that one of them might be stressed or hung up on something else to the point that they feel that trying to kill several of their classmates is a viable option. I'd like to think that more open communication could help, but shit, where do you start!?

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    monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Al_wat wrote: »
    These always piss me off. I don't understand the mindset behind deciding you have to go out and just kill innocent people like that.

    Because there were probably some meaningless personal slights or something during the class, and, well fuck those guys they deserve to die for looking at me funny. Or something similiar.

    Was this his own class, actually? I haven't really kept up on it since the news isn't likely to be as checked when compared to tomorrow or Sunday.

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