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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'd need some elaboration on infinite stalling but Falco's infinite laser in not simply spamming B.

    Its putting yourself in a very fortunate situation of having one enemey not recover properly.

    Plus, in a 4man FFA, I don't think thats really going to happen.


    Edit: I think as part of my 4man FFA tourney, rather than the last person to live winning, I'd set it to a point system of whoever has the most kills.

    Between that and no time limit, it'd keep people in the fray pretty well.

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    I wouldn't really call what mario did dickish so much as it was amazing. That takes some skill. A lot of skill actually.
    That's as much dickish as dodging Marth's FS is dickish. Which is to say, Jesus Christ, not at all.

    Anyway, I'm not in the tournament, so no one probably cares what my stance is, but sucking it up and switching off the giant stages for singles is probably the best route to preventing the worst of the stall tactics. I wouldn't think it would actually be a problem, as that kind of a win on a casual, for fun tournament is unbelievably retarded.

    "I'm running around in circles on Hyrule Temple. Radical."

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Plus, in a 4man FFA, I don't think thats really going to happen.

    Ah, right, this is a FFA. Well in one of those, none of these cheap tactics will work, as odds are anyone who starts annoying everyone else will be quickly and assuredly gang-raped. At least, that's how it is when I play Melee FFAs.

    And thus, placing rules like this in FFAs is just silly. If someone starts purposely stalling and running away, the other three will figure it out and then surround him.

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  • dmaurodmauro Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    SkyGheNe wrote: »
    I wouldn't really call what mario did dickish so much as it was amazing. That takes some skill. A lot of skill actually.
    He was being sarcastic. The vid was linked because it was slick as hell that he pulled that off (and also because it's cool to see tourney matches with smash balls on).

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'm going to go ahead and punch some numbers into Excel or something, and see what an easy number of entries I could have for a 4man FFA tourney.


    Can anyone tell me if you can spectate a 4man FFA? or would I have to do 3man FFA with 1 spectator?

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  • kingmeh123kingmeh123 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Hey, so isn't Sakurai giving some sort of "Smash Bros. Postmortem" at GDC? Anyone know what day that will be?

    EDIT: Nevermind, it's Friday. "Building Characters: The Super Smash Bros. Brawl Postmortem;" should be interesting.

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    I'm going to go ahead and punch some numbers into Excel or something, and see what an easy number of entries I could have for a 4man FFA tourney.


    Can anyone tell me if you can spectate a 4man FFA? or would I have to do 3man FFA with 1 spectator?

    I'm pretty sure any form of spectating is going to be pretty inconvenient in Smash Brothers, I'd advise against simply popping in just to kill yourself and watch, as that'd probably get pretty annoying and it'd really mess up your records.

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  • NarianNarian Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Narian wrote: »
    dmauro wrote: »
    Edge grab invincibility protects you from Peach's final smash. Check out this video, about halfway through, the second time Peach gets the smash ball, Mario times his ledge grab perfectly to not get put to sleep.

    So is that dickish?

    On a scale of 1 to 10 how much dick does it require to do something like that?
    The way I see it... if it requires clarification... then its probably dickish.

    That is the most ambiguous answer ever.

    Note: I do not think it was dickish.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    I'm going to go ahead and punch some numbers into Excel or something, and see what an easy number of entries I could have for a 4man FFA tourney.


    Can anyone tell me if you can spectate a 4man FFA? or would I have to do 3man FFA with 1 spectator?

    I'm pretty sure any form of spectating is going to be pretty inconvenient in Smash Brothers, I'd advise against simply popping in just to kill yourself and watch, as that'd probably get pretty annoying and it'd really mess up your records.

    I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you said here. You lost me at the "kill yourself and watch" part.


    oh!!! I get what you're saying now.

    No, I was referring to the spectator mode that Sakurai talked about a while ago. Which I'm pretty sure means I dont' have to kill myself.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Once the game comes out, I'm sure no crap like this will happen and we'll all be like BlueBlue, who clearly is too busy having a great time to whine and argue on a forum.
    ...I can't tell if you are being serious or not! I am a huge whiner.

    I get uneasy with a lot of this "oh hey guys whatever let's just ban being a dick" since it's a completely subjective call. I know a lot of you seem to think that it's easy to decide if a move is dickish - for example, running away for the entirety of the match - but to someone like me, that is actually not being a dick at all. So who is right? While it's fun to arbitrarily say "why, of course, I'm right and you are a dick for disagreeing with me" I can say this also.

    The only thing that should be considered dickish behavior in Brawl is beating me. I propose we ban this. Although it's kind of a formality, actually.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    I'm going to go ahead and punch some numbers into Excel or something, and see what an easy number of entries I could have for a 4man FFA tourney.


    Can anyone tell me if you can spectate a 4man FFA? or would I have to do 3man FFA with 1 spectator?

    I'm pretty sure any form of spectating is going to be pretty inconvenient in Smash Brothers, I'd advise against simply popping in just to kill yourself and watch, as that'd probably get pretty annoying and it'd really mess up your records.

    I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you said here. You lost me at the "kill yourself and watch" part.


    oh!!! I get what you're saying now.

    No, I was referring to the spectator mode that Sakurai talked about a while ago. Which I'm pretty sure means I dont' have to kill myself.

    Spectating does not work this way. You can't watch a particular match, just the match that is currently being broadcast by nintendo at random. Killing yourself is the only option, but will not work in matches with 4 players, and will increase the lag for everyone else involved.

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    Joshua368 wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    I'm going to go ahead and punch some numbers into Excel or something, and see what an easy number of entries I could have for a 4man FFA tourney.


    Can anyone tell me if you can spectate a 4man FFA? or would I have to do 3man FFA with 1 spectator?

    I'm pretty sure any form of spectating is going to be pretty inconvenient in Smash Brothers, I'd advise against simply popping in just to kill yourself and watch, as that'd probably get pretty annoying and it'd really mess up your records.

    I'm sorry, I'm not understanding what you said here. You lost me at the "kill yourself and watch" part.


    oh!!! I get what you're saying now.

    No, I was referring to the spectator mode that Sakurai talked about a while ago. Which I'm pretty sure means I dont' have to kill myself.

    Spectating does not work this way. You can't watch a particular match, just the match that is currently being broadcast by nintendo at random. Killing yourself is the only option, but will not work in matches with 4 players, and will increase the lag for everyone else involved.

    Or limiting the matches to three minutes and having someone save and post replays, but that's no fun. >_>

    So the last option is to either buy everyone recording equipment so they can save their battles externally or simply trust everyone to take care of themselves...

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Okay, for my 4man FFA tourney, here is whats going to happen.

    Saturday, around 7pm, I'm going to make a post in the Crush Siblings forum for sign-ups.

    There are a total of 80 slots and it will be first come first serve.

    The game will be played on a random level that is (pre-determined), so you'll know from the start where you'll be fighting.

    4 Stock
    No Time Limit

    The goal of these games is not to live last, but to have the most KOs. The person with the least KOs will drop, and the remaining 3 will continue into the next round. 3 rounds total with possible inclusion of tie-breakers.

    Example:
    Kor vs. Mushroom vs. Joshua vs. Dareth Ram
    KOs:
    Kor - 3
    Mushroom - 5
    Joshua - 4
    Dareth Ram - 2

    Dareth Ram would drop, and Kor, Mushroom and Joshua would continue to round 2.

    You'll be randomly paired into groups of 4, and you shouldn't play the same person twice (sometimes these things can't be helped).

    You'll be given the list of your opponents, and its up to you to determine a good playing time and exchange Friend Codes. If someone doesn't show up at the determined time, then they'll forfeit.

    edit: Each Round is 4 or 5 days long, so you'll have 4 or 5 days to find a good play time together, and get the results back to me.

    In regards to restrictions... I'll just say this: Technically, anything goes, but remember 2 things. 1 - consider that in a 4man FFA, not many 1v1 tricks work. And 2 - you may want to consider the people your playing with, might not ever want to play with you again if you pull off some stupid asshole exploitation shit.



    TL;DR version
    You'll need to sign up at Crush Sibling to enlist in the 4man FFA tourney. The post will come up at 7pm-ish (mountain time), and there are 80 slots total.

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  • Green LanternGreen Lantern Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Man godamm june is just not fair it's just not fair

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'm not sure why it isn't just a timed match. Well - I guess it is different because you don't lose points for being knocked out. I guess to encourage kamikaze attacks.

    A good strategy would be to kill yourself once you got to a high % to keep people from getting a ko. And by good strategy I mean banned strategy, am I right?

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    will there be a PA Smash channel for uploading and watching the vids on the tube of you?

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    I'm not sure why it isn't just a timed match. Well - I guess it is different because you don't lose points for being knocked out. I guess to encourage kamikaze attacks.

    A good strategy would be to kill yourself once you got to a high % to keep people from getting a ko. And by good strategy I mean banned strategy, am I right?

    I personally would think thats pretty funny.

    I mean... whos really losing out here?

    the 3 people that didn't get a point? or the guy that just jumped ship to lose one of his 4 stocks?


    alternatively, since the rules aren't set in stone, I could easily just subtract the suicides from the KOs.

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Not being in the tournament, I feel like my input will be as unbiased as it can be:

    It is just a game, and tournaments are about the game, not about what people make the game out to be. Football tournaments don't change the rules to give anybody an advantage or not. Why should this be an exception?

    I say that anything in the game is fair, and if it is a tactic, then it should be allowed to be used.

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  • SomestickguySomestickguy Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Man godamm june is just not fair it's just not fair

    Don't worry man.

    At least they'll delay it until June 2009.

    Oh wait no I said nothing D:

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  • TenelTenel Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Most KOs in a FFA?

    No offense but that sucks. There are so many ways that unbalances character selection. Who would ever pick someone like metaknight in that competition? Characters with high damage adding but very few kill moves get the royal shaft in a KO based FFA. It also changes the game from having any sort of strategy. It goes from picking which enemy you need to take out first to.. ok he has the highest % so lets go get the KO. By having it KO based also allows people to just self destruct for the -1 instead of the -1 +1.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Not being in the tournament, I feel like my input will be as unbiased as it can be:

    It is just a game, and tournaments are about the game, not about what people make the game out to be. Football tournaments don't change the rules to give anybody an advantage or not. Why should this be an exception?

    I say that anything in the game is fair, and if it is a tactic, then it should be allowed to be used.
    Well - the game isn't completely balanced, the idea behind most tournament rules is to make the game more fair for all players.

    Kor - The 3 people who didn't get a point would be the ones losing out, since you would self-ko when you were in danger of dying anyway. When it is inevitable you are going to lose a stock soon, there would be no reason not to self ko.
    I would suggest counting off for kos, but in that case it becomes much closer to timed brawl. If the rules aren't set in stone, then all you've said so far is "I'm having a tournament".

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  • HylianbunnyHylianbunny Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    In Melee, you could set it so that a suicide was -2. You could always go with that.

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I don't really like the idea of most KOs in a stock free for all, but if that's the case I'm definitely picking Ike because as far as I can tell he has a huge advantage over almost everyone else in this situation.

    See you on the battlefield.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Not being in the tournament, I feel like my input will be as unbiased as it can be:

    It is just a game, and tournaments are about the game, not about what people make the game out to be. Football tournaments don't change the rules to give anybody an advantage or not. Why should this be an exception?

    I say that anything in the game is fair, and if it is a tactic, then it should be allowed to be used.

    You ever see a football player bitch at a ref for what he thinks is a bad call?

    Its pretty much the same thing... only we don't know who is the ref, and who is the player.

    Though I do appreciate the opinion.

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  • The Big ShingThe Big Shing Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    random question about wifi multiplayer:

    can 2 people in the same room teamup and battle two random people on wifi

    can those same 2 people battle 2 more people on friends - using teams?

    can I team up with my friend over wifi and battle 2 random people? (im pretty sure you cant with this one)

    i think thats it, unless I'm missing something cool.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Tenel wrote: »
    Most KOs in a FFA?

    No offense but that sucks. There are so many ways that unbalances character selection. Who would ever pick someone like metaknight in that competition? Characters with high damage adding but very few kill moves get the royal shaft in a KO based FFA. It also changes the game from having any sort of strategy. It goes from picking which enemy you need to take out first to.. ok he has the highest % so lets go get the KO. By having it KO based also allows people to just self destruct for the -1 instead of the -1 +1.

    I'm not exactly twisting your arm to pick a specific character here, now am I?

    besides, I consider this the lesser of 2 evils... the other being timed or last to live... where all you'll have is someone trying his hardest to avoid conflict til the end.


    Also, Blue, I've provided an outline. An outline complete enough that people can judge wether or not they want to participate.

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    I'm not exactly twisting your arm to pick a specific character here, now am I?

    besides, I consider this the lesser of 2 evils... the other being timed or last to live... where all you'll have is someone trying his hardest to avoid conflict til the end.

    I guess the main problem is that tournament play and free for alls simply don't mix, which is why you only see 1v1 and 2v2 in tournaments. Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    Though I'm hoping this'll work out well in the end, it's just going to be a bit unorthodox and run into issues. The main thing I'm worried about is it turning into an Ike-fest, since his incredible range and killing power just makes him so much better at getting KOs than anyone else. :|

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  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I think if you guys really want to do a 4 person FA tournament you have to just go with it all the way and accept the fact that whoever wins in such a tournament is not necessarily going to be the best player. Lots of cheap shit is going to happen and you're probably just going to have to deal with it. On the plus side, it lessens the chances of one guy being a dick and winning, as there will probably be three other guys to prevent it from happening (as long as they notice).
    But in a 4-man FFA situation, I think you basically have to accept that it is more important that the game be fun than fair. It's a lot of variables to balance, especially when most of us haven't even touched the game yet.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I find it hilarious that you're basing a tournament around "that thing Munkus was going to do if he landed on new pork city".

    Multiplayer Answers (sort of):
    I think!
    Yes!
    I think not!

    The thing with the random battles is that I can't do them! Nintendo's random service finds people close to you also searching for a random match, and odds are so low of finding anyone near you (unless you're near japan) that it's pointless to even check, which of course makes it even less likely you'd find someone, since they've come to the same conclusion.

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  • The Big ShingThe Big Shing Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    haha, best answers ever. Sounds about right. Thanks. Now back to waiting........

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  • IcemopperIcemopper Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Ah I see what you guys are talking about. The ref thing helped.

    Well.

    Life is unfair?

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    BlueBlue wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that you're basing a tournament around "that thing Munkus was going to do if he landed on new pork city".

    Multiplayer Answers (sort of):
    I think!
    Yes!
    I think not!

    The thing with the random battles is that I can't do them! Nintendo's random service finds people close to you also searching for a random match, and odds are so low of finding anyone near you (unless you're near japan) that it's pointless to even check, which of course makes it even less likely you'd find someone, since they've come to the same conclusion.

    I'm not basing a tournament around anything, other than the object of fun.

    Its become apparent that a lot of people are determined to shit on every possible rule-set that isn't a carbon copy of the tourney scene from melee, so I'm trying to take the option that prevents the most bitching.

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  • BlueBlueBlueBlue Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Oh, right, the tournament is based on having fun, the rules are what are based around keeping "someone trying his hardest to avoid conflict til the end". This is what I meant and still hilarious.
    Icemopper wrote: »
    Ah I see what you guys are talking about. The ref thing helped.

    Well.

    Life is unfair?

    ...ok. But that doesn't mean that it should be and by extension everything should be. Are you saying that you are in favor of a less fair competition, even when you have the tools to make it more fair?

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    random question about wifi multiplayer:

    can 2 people in the same room teamup and battle two random people on wifi
    (Yes)

    can those same 2 people battle 2 more people on friends - using teams?
    (Yes)

    can I team up with my friend over wifi and battle 2 random people? (im pretty sure you cant with this one)
    (I think only in a 2v2 setting, but no FFA)

    i think thats it, unless I'm missing something cool.



    edit:
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    Its like, all I'm really doing is trying to make sure you have fun with PA people with Smash, rather than jumping on the forums, and hoping someone else is online and wants to play as well.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    Its like, all I'm really doing is trying to make sure you have fun with PA people with Smash, rather than jumping on the forums, and hoping someone else is online and wants to play as well.

    Tournaments are for competition. If you don't think that's fun, then don't play in a tournament. You should have no problems finding people online who want to play all day every day for a long time.

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  • Joshua368Joshua368 Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Kor wrote: »
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    One big party night with eliminations and a winner?

    Okay, I'm willing to give that a go I guess.

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  • SnorkSnork word Jamaica Plain, MARegistered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Zek wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    Its like, all I'm really doing is trying to make sure you have fun with PA people with Smash, rather than jumping on the forums, and hoping someone else is online and wants to play as well.

    Tournaments are for competition. If you don't think that's fun, then don't play in a tournament. You should have no problems finding people online who want to play all day every day for a long time.

    This is actually a very good point.

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  • METAzraeLMETAzraeL Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    I'll play with you Kor <3

    Mayhaps there should be two tourny threads for the game - one for people that want it Melee style, and one for people who are up for anything. I disagree that tournaments are solely for competition. If there's a prize or something thereabouts, sure. But tournies will also be a good way to organize some solid playing on the forums, as opposed to haphazardly posting in a [game on] thread and hoping someone's around.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Snork wrote: »
    Zek wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    Its like, all I'm really doing is trying to make sure you have fun with PA people with Smash, rather than jumping on the forums, and hoping someone else is online and wants to play as well.

    Tournaments are for competition. If you don't think that's fun, then don't play in a tournament. You should have no problems finding people online who want to play all day every day for a long time.

    This is actually a very good point.

    No it's not. Some people find hardcore competition fun, and some people find friendly playing around fun. There's room for both in tournaments. This sounds a casual tournament, where it's nice if you win but people don't really care who wins that much.

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  • KorKor Known to detonate from time to time Registered User regular
    edited February 2008
    Zek wrote: »
    Kor wrote: »
    Now don't get me wrong, I love free for alls... on party nights.

    So just look at this tourney as one big party night.

    Its like, all I'm really doing is trying to make sure you have fun with PA people with Smash, rather than jumping on the forums, and hoping someone else is online and wants to play as well.

    Tournaments are for competition. If you don't think that's fun, then don't play in a tournament. You should have no problems finding people online who want to play all day every day for a long time.

    No, Tournaments that have some sort of goal are for competition.

    I, personally, am just using tournaments as a semi-scouting method of finding people I like to play with, that have the same preferences as I do. Also, its a great way to pass around Friend codes, rather than just entering a giant list of 100+ people.


    Edit: What Meta said basically.

    As I've learned from the Halo thread. Posting in a thread asking "does anyone want to play" gets you absolutely no where.

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