MotW- 2/20/2008 - For $3.99, Fraction love you long time

KVW

mattharvest wrote: »

I liked the organic webshooters because - unlike his "spider-sense", "spider-muscles", "spider-agility", "spider-stickiness", shooting webs ACTUALLY was a spider trait.

Spider-sense was some sort of telepathy

Spider-strength was crazy, since the "strength" of spiders and arachnids and whatnot is nothing special, and same with agility.

Spider-webs on the other hand were an actual spider trait grafted onto a person. Sure, they should have come out of his butt, but still...

Um, proportionately, spiders, and all bugs, are freaking strong. And there's some spiders that have crazy ass agility.

I don't think there was any need for organic web shooters, though. He wasn't mutated into a man spider (well, he eventually was). He was just a kid that got bit by a spider, got super strength and agility and figured he'd name himself after how he got his powers.

However, if they're just goign to do this constant out of web fluid, which now costs $2000 per batch nonsense, I'd rather just keep the organic ones. Also, make him start using Ben Reilly's stingers and impact webbing. That shit is the best addition to spidey's arsenal since Stan Lee days and they just ignore it because it came from the clone saga era.

Golden Yak

KVW wrote: »

However, if they're just goign to do this constant out of web fluid, which now costs $2000 per batch nonsense, I'd rather just keep the organic ones. Also, make him start using Ben Reilly's stingers and impact webbing. That shit is the best addition to spidey's arsenal since Stan Lee days and they just ignore it because it came from the clone saga era.

Yeah, one of the cool things about old-school Spidey is that he'd come up against a villain who over-powered him, and he'd be forced to cobble together some gadget to help him out. That's where his spider-light belt and spider-tracers come from. People shouldn't be scared of giving him a few more weapons.

DarkPrimus

Yeah the one problem with the NA art is that Ares didn't really look like Ares.

Other than that it was awesome. But then again I have and love all the Alias trades.

The Muffin Man

Algertman wrote: »

Balefuego wrote: »

why

the organic webshooters were dumb

Oh hell yes they were dumb

But at least we were spared every other story becoming "Damn! That dimestore villain that would otherwise be no problem got away cuz I have no webbing left!"

valiance

KVW wrote: »

mattharvest wrote: »

I liked the organic webshooters because - unlike his "spider-sense", "spider-muscles", "spider-agility", "spider-stickiness", shooting webs ACTUALLY was a spider trait.

Spider-sense was some sort of telepathy

Spider-strength was crazy, since the "strength" of spiders and arachnids and whatnot is nothing special, and same with agility.

Spider-webs on the other hand were an actual spider trait grafted onto a person. Sure, they should have come out of his butt, but still...

Um, proportionately, spiders, and all bugs, are freaking strong. And there's some spiders that have crazy ass agility.

PEDANTRY WARNING...

Not quite true. See JBS Haldane's "On Being the Right Size", an awesome essay about the effects of scaling on mechanical properties in the animal kingdom. Here is the relevant portion:

"Such are a very few of the considerations which show that for every type of animal there is an optimum size. Yet although Galileo demonstrated the contrary more than three hundred years ago, people still believe that if a flea were as large as a man it could jump a thousand feet into the air. As a matter of fact the height to which an animal can jump is more nearly independent of its size than proportional to it. A flea can jump about two feet, a man about five. To jump a given height, if we neglect the resistance of air, requires an expenditure of energy proportional to the jumper’s weight. But if the jumping muscles form a constant fraction of the animal’s body, the energy developed per ounce of muscle is independent of the size, provided it can be developed quickly enough in the small animal. As a matter of fact an insect’s muscles, although they can contract more quickly than our own, appear to be less efficient; as otherwise a flea or grasshopper could rise six feet into the air."

Also see: http://www.ftexploring.com/think/superbugs_p2.html http://www.ftexploring.com/think/superbugs_p1.html
http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/1999-05/927263695.Gb.r.html

So yes, ants and spiders and whatnot can lift 10 to 20x their body weight, but that's because they're small, not because they're strong. A human sized ant would be much weaker than we are.

CyberJackal

valiance wrote: »

A human sized ant would be much weaker than we are.

That's a relief...

delphinus

MA/Doom question:

when did doom get the cyttorak gem? i thought only strange could use the crimson bands without the gem?

jkylefulton

Doom was conjuring the Crimson Bands as far back as the Triumph and Torment GN (which is highly recommended to anyone that hasn't read it).

Munch

Cable/Deadpool

1) Deadpool realizing that he's really made it as a hero, and has become accepted by the other heroes of the Marvel Universe. Even to the point of being invited to the Thing's superhero poker game.

2) Agent X-- sumo wrestler!

3) Deadpool possessed by a symbiote. Symbiont.

4) Bob's wife texting him after she sees him on TV beating up a dinosaur.

I wish every issue had been as strong as this one.

Iron Fist was just fantastic from start to finish. For some reason I was especially fond of the Son of Frankenstein section.

"I wasn't scared of you thirty years ago, and I sure ain't scared of you now."

The Brave and the Bold provided a bit of foreshadowing into Infinite Crisis. I really liked Superman's sudden revelation upon hearing the Silent Knight's real name, and discovering why Merlin was so insistent that Superman protect him at all cost.

Brian Kent

Servo

Munch wrote: »

Iron Fist was just fantastic from start to finish. For some reason I was especially fond of the Son of Frankenstein section.

hah, i loved that part

when i first saw the kid, my immediate assumption was "oh nice, frankenstein transferred his brain into a kid's body! hardcore!" and then read a little and was all "oh, it's just his supergenius son, that's cool too", and then i was all "oh snap, hardcore!"

great art in that section too. i'd happily read that guy on the main book if aja drops off for some reason

Me Too!

Oh snap.
I knew the art in the first section was familiar. It was done by Mike Allred.

delphinus

jkylefulton wrote: »

Doom was conjuring the Crimson Bands as far back as the Triumph and Torment GN (which is highly recommended to anyone that hasn't read it).

shit. ive been ousted as a false n00b doom fan.

also, you have triumph and torment?!!!!?
been looking for that one for a while now, i hear it shows the contents of arc of the covenant at the end
:shock::^:

jkylefulton

Triumph and Torment is one of the few books I still have in my possession (I scanned most of my collection a long time ago). I got Mignola and Baker to draw Doom and Strange sketches in it about fifteen years ago, so I had to keep it.

delphinus

jkylefulton wrote: »

Triumph and Torment is one of the few books I still have in my possession (I scanned most of my collection a long time ago). I got Mignola and Baker to draw Doom and Strange sketches in it about fifteen years ago, so I had to keep it.

stop it.
its laundry day, so i only have 1 pair of pants

Crimsondude

And this is why I read PA pantless.

Nogs

man screw you guys, ASM was actually awesome this week.

here's why

Me Too!

There's just enough good lines in there to make me smile.

beef

The out of web fluid excuse for not catching/escaping someone is tired anyway.

It's like, dude, you can leap the length of a city block. Hop to it and stomp them out.

Nogs

i actually laughed out loud when i came to that part. i usually don't do that when reading so i was pleasantly surprised.

Cosmic Sombrero

No, really, let's talk more about The Order.

SPOILER FOUR HUEG

I like Hollandaise or however the hell you spell her name a lot more now.

Crimsondude

Mulholland.

Who I still think is based (at least in part) on Cory Kennedy.

DJ Eebs

Oh man, I was wondering when she was going to do something interesting.

Fencingsax

beef wrote: »

The out of web fluid excuse for not catching/escaping someone is tired anyway.

It's like, dude, you can leap the length of a city block. Hop to it and stomp them out.

I too, don't qute understand why he doesn't just do what Daredevil does. His spider-sense would hep with getting to the next target, and he can totally jump hella far.

Nogs

spider-fluid shouldn't be a problem much anymore anyways guys, they pretty much even said it in that latest issue.

Golden Yak

Cosmic Sombrero wrote: »

SPOILER FOUR HUEG

Crimsondude wrote: »

And this is why I read PA pantless.

Now why didn't I think of that?

Balefuego

Fencingsax wrote: »

beef wrote: »

The out of web fluid excuse for not catching/escaping someone is tired anyway.

It's like, dude, you can leap the length of a city block. Hop to it and stomp them out.

I too, don't qute understand why he doesn't just do what Daredevil does. His spider-sense would hep with getting to the next target, and he can totally jump hella far.

uh, Daredevil often using his batons to swing around

grim123

Balefuego wrote: »

Fencingsax wrote: »

beef wrote: »

The out of web fluid excuse for not catching/escaping someone is tired anyway.

It's like, dude, you can leap the length of a city block. Hop to it and stomp them out.

I too, don't qute understand why he doesn't just do what Daredevil does. His spider-sense would hep with getting to the next target, and he can totally jump hella far.

uh, Daredevil often using his batons to swing around

I think thats what he meant

Fencingsax

grim123 wrote: »

Balefuego wrote: »

Fencingsax wrote: »

beef wrote: »

The out of web fluid excuse for not catching/escaping someone is tired anyway.

It's like, dude, you can leap the length of a city block. Hop to it and stomp them out.

I too, don't qute understand why he doesn't just do what Daredevil does. His spider-sense would hep with getting to the next target, and he can totally jump hella far.

uh, Daredevil often using his batons to swing around

I think thats what he meant

Actually, I figured being able to leap a city block might be ablle to mitigate the fact that he doesn't have webs, or ropes or anything. I mean, that plus the sticking to walls, the webs seem to be kind of unnecessary. They help, but t hey aren't required.

Munch

So, for anyone reading Batman and the Outsiders..

Think that black couple that surprise Batman are actually Ralph and Sue?

jkylefulton

Munch wrote: »

So, for anyone reading Batman and the Outsiders..

Think that black couple that surprise Batman are actually Ralph and Sue?

That didn't occur to me at all, but would be absolutely terrific!

Drakeon

jkylefulton wrote: »

Munch wrote: »

So, for anyone reading Batman and the Outsiders..

Think that black couple that surprise Batman are actually Ralph and Sue?

That didn't occur to me at all, but would be absolutely terrific!

Oh wow, that didn't even occur to me. But it does make sense, considering I had no idea who they were from the way they looked.

Forar

So, I pondered starting a new MOTW thread a day early, but figured this is a more appropriate place to put it;

My neighbours loaned me the last 6 issues of Y: The Last Man.

It's a beautiful conclusion.

I was up late with the World of Warcraft crew, and thought I'd lay down and read a bit before going to sleep.

Of course, we both know I was going to finish the series.

And I'm glad I did. It's 2 am, I've got work tomorrow, but in hindsight I wouldn't have missed those issues for the world.

You were all right about one thing; the ending, the last 4 or so pages.

Absolutely perfect.

DarkWarrior

Deadpool is seriously the most interesting comic I've ever read and features actually good writing.

I believe...it's...symbiont.

Shame its over.

Sharp101

I agree.

SatanIsMyMotor

I was really digging Ultimate X-Men last week. I imagine that Stryfe and Onslaught are going to end up being Prof X and Cable though.

Balefuego

Its pretty obvious yeah

Shamuuu

Huh how can you tell?