Jesus Christ. A Thought just dawned on me. A 4-chan criminal gang.
They shall be the most dangerous gang of all time. With their pedobear minivans and cat busses.
It looks like the game has a similar paint system like Forza 2. In fact, it looks almost exactly like Forza 2's system, so it's pretty likely we'll see some pedobear minivans. :P It looks like you can use that system for painting clothes, too. The game should have a ton of variety online in what you see from the players.
Yea, during one of the interviews they mentioned that one of the things you'll want in a clan is someone who is skilled at drawing/creating designs.
I wonder what the rules will be regarding obscene/profanity things on clothes/cars/tattoos. Cause you know there is going to be a ton of of it being made.
I'm sure the developers will go through and make sure there's nothing too obscene, or perhaps even things that may violate copyrights, but it is going to be an M rated game. That'll probably give some leeway in the obscene things we can put on our cars and clothes.
Or you know, they could deal with those things the FUN way...
ALL POINTS BULLETIN Neo-Nazi driving sportscar with a huge wang on the front side, all officers seek and arrest suspect.
That would be hilarious and a perfect example of where the Shaft video can come into play. Some guy does this and then they send the strongest people on the server after him. Then when he is dead his stuff gets deleted.
Well, aslong as the ads look like they belong (it's a modern city, shouldn't be too hard), I won't have a problem with that.
That is because you are wrong.
Yes, of course, because a completely ad free city would look so real.
I'm not just going to argue in this thread, but read this thread, and you will see why.
That doesn't explain why. You can't back up points by directing us to anal paranoia. Ads work in many games, and the one in that thread being a sports game, it works just dandy. If every time you completed a mission, you were given a screen saying "This crime was brought to you by Burger King", then that might be a little different.
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Well, aslong as the ads look like they belong (it's a modern city, shouldn't be too hard), I won't have a problem with that.
That is because you are wrong.
Yes, of course, because a completely ad free city would look so real.
I'm not just going to argue in this thread, but read this thread, and you will see why.
I'm sorry that you don't care for them, but to me giant Coke billboards in a modern day city make the game feel more realistic to me. I only see it as a problem if it doesn't fit the setting of the game and ruins my immersion.
Amen; In-game adverts are generally wrong but in a massive city they look real; infact the city would probably look bland without some 50 foot woman advertising lingerie :-D
If in game ads=less monthly fees, more and better quality updates I will be more than happy to accept it so long as the ads make sense with the environment.
But thats for another thread. Since the po po will be outnumbered, you'll definitely need some undercover snitches. I will do my part for the cause, if it means talking in ebonics and wearing long shirts then SO BE IT!
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The DeliveratorSlingin PiesThe California BurbclavesRegistered Userregular
edited February 2008
Of all the games to complain about ingame ads in, this game is probably one of the least deserved. It's a modern day city setting, which is naturally filled with ads anyway. Whether they're ads for real products or not is going to have slim to no affect on my enjoyment of the game in any way. Crackdown had updating ingame ads, and I bet tons of people who played it never even realized it. As long as they keep them in-world and they fit the setting, there is no reason to get your panties in a knot about it. Don't get me wrong, ingame ads CAN be abused. Throwing them all over loading screens? bad. Blatantly out of place? bad. I trust Realtime Worlds. They didn't abuse them in Crackdown, and I trust them to not abuse them here in APB.
While I understand your point about not wanting them to control gaming, I really don't think that's the case. They haven't overpowered movies in any way that compromises their artistic integrity, for example. And while I was slightly annoyed that I either crashed into a Gilette or a Diesel van in Burnout Paradise, I tune it out now just as much as I do in life. I'm never going to shop at CompUSA, and I've never bought a can of Campbell's Soup.
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The problem with the ads is that I'm still paying 60 bucks for a game that is also being supported by ads.
This is a really stupid point and we shouldn't have to explain why.
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Here is my reply to all the "Adds to the realism"/"I'm not that bothered"/"Won't effect me" crap.
1) Yes they do add to realism.
2) Of course they won't put ads in fantasy games, or (to a lesser extent) sci-fi games. They wouldn't work. So what does this mean? If we except advertising in games - the vastly greater funding and profit provided by ad friendly "realistic" games when compared to "fantasy" games will means developers will preferentially make games that can feature advertising. Obviously WoW and Doom will still survive - but your long tail is fucked. [UPDATE: Or you'll get games set in the 2100's advertising the latest Nicholas Cage movie]
3) Apart from realism they also add to the companies involved with a game. Those people also add great lumps of money into the developers pockets - and in doing so gain a strong influence over the games the developers make. We all know of the trouble with car makers not allowing damage. Thats a different issue - but proves they will do it.
5) What if Coca-cola, Pepsi Co and so on, dislike an element of a game? They protest at killing hookers, the criticism of religion, story elements, that it doesn't appeal to who they "want to reach." Do you think the developers will A) turn down the millions in advertising or make the cuts? What if the Sims acceptance towards homosexuality was censored by sponsor's not wanting to be associated with it. [Do you trust EA to make the stand and turn the money down? ]
Is a little extra realism, worth losing your artistic control over your product?
The problem is everyone on G&T bemoans the lack of respect games get. We want them to be treated like works of art. But if the makers of the games don't respect the things they create - how do we ever expect to win that battle?
In america you lost the battle against product placement on TV. In the UK and Europe it's still techanically illegal - though we are losing that battle too. When you compare the freedoms writers of BBC shows get when compared to american shows it's terrifying. The writers of Desperate Housewives, for example, were told to write episodes that would feature specific makes of cars a specific number of times, for a specific duration. How much realism did that "add."
tl;dr. You give me a game for free, and fill it with as many adverts as you like. OR you make me buy it and never advertise.
See. It's pointless. I make a case I think is decent enough but it's ignored so people can continue to mention that it doesn't bother them. The people who care about this are arguing against people to apathetic to actual make an argument.
The only real argument is the argument that it's always been this way. But thats bullshit. There has never been a medium to dynamically update ads in my games before. At no point before has a console manufacturer spent millions on buying an in game ad firm to litter there first party games. Yes there has been the occasional 'Cool Spot' but on the whole the scene has been ad free. That is fundamentally changing. Microsoft see's Live as a mechanism to constantly be serving adverts to consumers.
To an extent there is a divide between the UK and the USA. In the USA you pay for cable, you pay for channel packages and you get loads of adverts.
The UK does have that, but the majority of content is provided in two ways, Add free through the license fee and the BBC, or free to you over "freeview" for the one off cost of the box ($50) which has ads to support it.
Product placement is illegal on television in my country. Changes are in the works to change that, and numerous american shows violate it already (though most get blurred out) - but it proves that product placement is something that can be considered A Big Deal.
And whilst you might not, I consider computer games to be an important medium that should be protected in the same way.
I suppose the reason that I'm surprised that people are apathetic at this point is that video games are the most expensive form of software as it stands. This generation we went up 10 dollars on average per game (many of those 59.99 games quite frankly have been bland and uninspired making me wonder why they charge that much anyway) and we're getting even more ads now then we were last generation.
Its also no secret that video games as a market is growing rapidly so even more advertisers are going to be knocking on publishers doors offering fat sacks of cash for in game modifications. If publishers allow advertisements in game to become a major source of revenue, even more control is lost from the developers hands and placed into the publishers.
My biggest fear is that if ads do become a mainstay and major source of revenue for gaming companies, what will happen to niche titles (already seemingly from this "next generation" likely due to the lack of an overall winner just yet) that are not exactly advertising friendly? Can you imagine Romance of the Three Kingdoms being sponsored by Mountain Dew?
Again I'm just re-stating things that Lave has been saying but in a community of supposedly hardcore gamers, I'm baffled that people can be so lax about an issue that is more than likely going to press even more power into the hands of casual gamers and mega-publishers alike.
I'm not saying burn down the white house or anything since we're more or less powerless but damn it...at least agree that what is going on is bullshit
That's the thing, though. Advertising in games is really nothing new when you think about it, yet these "niche" games remain seemingly unaffected. I don't think there is a sane soul alive that wants games to be completely overrun with advertising, but the simple fact of the matter is that all the evidence we have indicates that the worst case scenario just isn't going to happen.
I just refuted this, mearly a few posts ago. Don't just say that like it's true.
Here a step by step questionaire to see if it should bother you.
1) Think about your favourite games - Think about the ones set in the future, or the past, or in fantasy lands.
2) Do you understand that publishers will tend to publish games that make the most returns?
3) Do you own a 360?
4) Do you realise that Microsoft own 'Massive' a 9 figure company devoted to streaming realworld adverts into their games.
5) Do you realise that "Game X + Constant ad revenue" is going to be much, much, much more profitable than "Game Y with no ads".
6) Do you realize what a company does when presented with those facts.
7) Do you realize that whilst it may not bother you that Realistic Game X is full of ads it makes Developer Z pitching 'Huge budget Fantasy Game Y" have a much harder time to greenlight their game?
8) Does the fact of number 7 not in any way bother you? Or are you so apathetic that the idea of games like BioShock or Oblivion or WoW having ads not bother you?
9) Can you understand why 'immersion' is some peoples favourite aspect of a game?
10) Can you understand why a present day advert in a game set in the 2100's completely and utterly destroys the game for such people?
EDIT: 11) And if you are an older gamer you will already have noticed the really appreciable shift towards real world settings.
EDIT: 12) Do you not appreciate that as the most expensive entertainment medium available, not unlike DVD box sets of TV shows, a purchase should make it ad free on principle?
EDIT: 13) Do you not appreciate that a number of countries still believe product placement is so insidious and damaging that they have made it illegal in some mediums.
I don't know why I read that whole thing. He takes very little from real life happenings, mixes it in with a shit ton of what ifs and mediums that aren't games, then because he can't wrap around his mind around good advertisement in games that aren't based in modern day cities decides that everything he said is 100% correct. Not that it matters at all in APB, because it's been proven that they could do in game ads very well in that sort of setting, and that it's also from a company that has proven that they are good at doing it.
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Yeah, coke might not be willing to advertise in GTA, but I am sure companies like AXE, movies, etc are more than willing.
The only reason you should worry about in game advertising is if you are so weak willed you know you won't be able to resist buying a dodge, or getting axe body spray.
Yeah, coke might not be willing to advertise in GTA, but I am sure companies like AXE, movies, etc are more than willing.
The only reason you should worry about in game advertising is if you are so weak willed you know you won't be able to resist buying a dodge, or getting axe body spray.
Or if you have a rudimentary understanding of business.
Yeah, coke might not be willing to advertise in GTA, but I am sure companies like AXE, movies, etc are more than willing.
The only reason you should worry about in game advertising is if you are so weak willed you know you won't be able to resist buying a dodge, or getting axe body spray.
Or if you have a rudimentary understanding of business.
Give me a citation from a journal about these effects being proven and I'll take it into consideration.
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After watching that Shaft Gamplay video, I really this doesn't turn out to be "who has the most time wins" before the match starts, otherwise it's going to fail hard.
After watching that Shaft Gamplay video, I really this doesn't turn out to be "who has the most time wins" before the match starts, otherwise it's going to fail hard.
Not sure what you mean. Like who ever has been playing longer will kickass? Cause the game is based on skill and nothing else. Though the better you are the more badass you get to look.
As far as that video goes some people have expressed concern about 1 guy kicking 4 other dudes asses. I see no problem in it myself. I think it adds urgency & danger to the missions. When you commit a crime you never know if they will send rookies or a pro. Though the match ups are made by skill. In the case of the Shaft video the computer decided that 1 Shaft was equal to 4 noobs.
Hell, who knows, maybe like in real life the Veteran gets taken out by some punk who got lucky with a gun.
edit- Also on the reverse side. You can have one Pro commit a crime and the computer assigns several newbies to hunt him down.
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I wouldn't mind advertising as in GTA, the fake ads are incredibly funny. You can add realism without real ads.
At the same time, real ads wouldn't exactly kill the game, as long as they're tasteful in the same way many billboard ads can be (i.e. most Coke ads). If they provide enough variation, that is to say not a Gibson billboard every 50 meters as in Burnout Revenge, it might add to the game.
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The DeliveratorSlingin PiesThe California BurbclavesRegistered Userregular
edited February 2008
LewieP, you're so concerned about the big advertisng companies causing games to become shallow and pander to the lowest common denominator, right? Guess what, we're there already. Look at the Maddens, the endless stream of generic shooters, the massive piles of shovelware on Wii. Just like the movie and television industries, the quality content is still there. There are always going to be developers and publishers more concerned about staying true to their vision than getting the extra million from an ad agency. If you're remotely intelligent, telling the difference between mass market junk and true art isn't hard.
This game is so bought if it doesn't have a subscription fee. I definitely agree with the idea of a PAPD mentioned a few pages back. Laying down the law on all the ass-holes of the internet, oh yeah.
I hope this game keeps the weird style it looks like it has now. Kind of the GTA cartoony thing, satirical impressionism or something. I look forward to making a criminal and an enforcer. The criminal will not be anything traditional-- no "gangsta", no "goodfella", but maybe some kind of nerdy punk badass sort of in the trend of Travis Touchdown, but not an actual copy of him or anything.
If I rip off any characters for this, It will be the three main characters from No Country for Old Men.
But probably I'll just make my own guys.
I haven't read the whole thread, but is there any chance that having a Gold account will let you bypass the probable monthly fee? I'm guessing not, but hey, sure would be nice!
If I rip off any characters for this, It will be the three main characters from No Country for Old Men.
But probably I'll just make my own guys.
I haven't read the whole thread, but is there any chance that having a Gold account will let you bypass the probable monthly fee? I'm guessing not, but hey, sure would be nice!
Call it friendo.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited February 2008
Wouldn't they be able to go around a monthly fee with using the live and PSN networks?
Quite a few of the cops are wearing kinda SWAT-like outfits. Besides, this game's style isn't about being realistic. It's about being the biggest badassmothafucka in town.
You know, using Cromartie High School logic, if you're constantly surrounded by big badass motherfuckers, pretty soon the normal looking ones are the most badass people around.
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That would be hilarious and a perfect example of where the Shaft video can come into play. Some guy does this and then they send the strongest people on the server after him. Then when he is dead his stuff gets deleted.
I never asked for this!
That doesn't explain why. You can't back up points by directing us to anal paranoia. Ads work in many games, and the one in that thread being a sports game, it works just dandy. If every time you completed a mission, you were given a screen saying "This crime was brought to you by Burger King", then that might be a little different.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Amen; In-game adverts are generally wrong but in a massive city they look real; infact the city would probably look bland without some 50 foot woman advertising lingerie :-D
But thats for another thread. Since the po po will be outnumbered, you'll definitely need some undercover snitches. I will do my part for the cause, if it means talking in ebonics and wearing long shirts then SO BE IT!
And I found the dodge ads in Crackdown a little jarring. I think they could have been better if they made the vehicle look cel-shaded or something.
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This is a really stupid point and we shouldn't have to explain why.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
We still need a name for our squad!
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
The only reason you should worry about in game advertising is if you are so weak willed you know you won't be able to resist buying a dodge, or getting axe body spray.
Or if you have a rudimentary understanding of business.
Like what characters from buddy cop movies we're going to make.
That, or make the most bad ass black version of Officer Barbrady ever.
Whichever seems more appropriate when the game is released
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Whatever that link is causes quicktime to perform a illegal operation and then kills firefox.
Not sure what you mean. Like who ever has been playing longer will kickass? Cause the game is based on skill and nothing else. Though the better you are the more badass you get to look.
As far as that video goes some people have expressed concern about 1 guy kicking 4 other dudes asses. I see no problem in it myself. I think it adds urgency & danger to the missions. When you commit a crime you never know if they will send rookies or a pro. Though the match ups are made by skill. In the case of the Shaft video the computer decided that 1 Shaft was equal to 4 noobs.
Hell, who knows, maybe like in real life the Veteran gets taken out by some punk who got lucky with a gun.
edit- Also on the reverse side. You can have one Pro commit a crime and the computer assigns several newbies to hunt him down.
Yes, that's right.
hahahahahahaha, aren't they rebels
I wouldn't mind advertising as in GTA, the fake ads are incredibly funny. You can add realism without real ads.
At the same time, real ads wouldn't exactly kill the game, as long as they're tasteful in the same way many billboard ads can be (i.e. most Coke ads). If they provide enough variation, that is to say not a Gibson billboard every 50 meters as in Burnout Revenge, it might add to the game.
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There had better be miniguns available in this game.
I will be the police man shooting your hippie ass with a rocket launcher for committing vandalism.
We must brutally enforce the little laws to ensure compliance with larger ones.
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Well I was thinking "rocket up the ass of J-walkers", but yeah, you get the idea.
But probably I'll just make my own guys.
I haven't read the whole thread, but is there any chance that having a Gold account will let you bypass the probable monthly fee? I'm guessing not, but hey, sure would be nice!
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You know, using Cromartie High School logic, if you're constantly surrounded by big badass motherfuckers, pretty soon the normal looking ones are the most badass people around.