He can take on pretty much anyone but Hulk (who's stronger than Supe) and Thor (who's about even). So maybe he's a bit behind but he's definitely in that class.
He can take on pretty much anyone but Hulk (who's stronger than Supe) and Thor (who's about even). So maybe he's a bit behind but he's definitely in that class.
Hasn't Iron Man punched out the Hulk at least once?
He can take on pretty much anyone but Hulk (who's stronger than Supe) and Thor (who's about even). So maybe he's a bit behind but he's definitely in that class.
Actually, at the end of Civil War
Doesn't Stark drop the Hulk by interfacing with some orbital weapons platforms?
Also, I'm pretty sure he has "Hulkbuster" suits for a reason.
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Using the Hulk as a basis is hard because his strength level while always extremely high fluctuates so much depending on how angry he is/what the writer wants to do.
That said, Iron Man is easily one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel U.
Yea, I think the basis is that, normal Hulk who just turned from Bruce is weaker than Supes, but when he's angry he's stronger than Supes, and he has no actual upper limit.
I really like how they developed him in Planet Hulk and WW Hulk. It went from "RAAAH SMASH" to the same anger (or even more, given how Planet ended) but super-focused instead of just lashing out at the nearest thing.
just being HULK SMASH is the popular perception of him, and he is sometimes portrayed that way. But Planet Hulk and WWH are hardly the first time he's been given depth.
Peter David's run on The Incredible Hulk is definitive for a reason.
Forget Superman though. The real question to ask is, could Iron man beat Batman?
And the answer is no. Nobody beats The Batman.
If Batman has time to prepare he always wins.
We also know that Batman is always prepared for everything so surprise does not work.
There are an infinite number of things for which one can get prepared.
To prepare for something, implies that the preparation takes non-zero amount of time.
As he is prepared for everything therefore implies he spent an infinite time by doing so.
In conclusion: Batman is the Master of Time
And Master of Time > Man in the Armor with Extremis powers
The solution: Get a time machine and stop his parents from getting shot: Batman defeated.
P.S. Fictional character fights between different universes are stupid. Hell it is stupid in most comic universes as it fluctuates depending on the story and the writer anyway.
It's all so rediculously subjective & dependent on whoever happened to be writing at the time - You have stories where Superman literally tells the elements to fuck off, and disarms an entire nation (For Tomorrow) and moves so fast he basically teleports across a city while batman is mid-sentence (B n' S: SuperGirl), and stories where he can't cover 4 feet in the time it takes someone to pull a trigger (B n' S: Absolute Power) On the flip side you have Hulk getting knocked through buildings and almost being fought to a standstill in Ultimates 1, and you have him smacking the ground so hard in Ultimate Power that he literally causes a sonic boom.
Generally comic book comparisons tend to fail for that reason, especially when you do the DC/Marvel thing. For another example, there is a JLA arc where the very objective defenition of truth unravels when Wonder-Woman gets her lasso snapped, and you have another arc within 6 months where someone snaps the lasso, and she goes on fighting like it's no big deal.
TLDR - Comparisons fail because editors don't hold stuff like power levels to any common standard
Edit: Newres made a more concise version of my point
I pretty much limit my inter-universe comparisons to Superman vs. Hulk/Thor, since those are the standards I've heard "official" company statements about. So you can compare how Iron Man does against Thor and how Supe does against Luthor and kind of compare Iron Man to Luthor that way...but it does get a bit pointless.
If you tried to find equals for DC's Trinity, you'd probably get Cap, Iron Man and Ms. Marvel, but there's probably more differences between them than simularities. Supe is more pro-government in DC, Cap is a rebel. Batman tries to be a myth, Iron Man is probably the most well known hero in Marvel Land.
Shit, the more I think about it, Iron Man is probably Supe's analog and Cap is Batman's.
Ms. Marvel, as much as I love Carol Danvers is in no way part of any Marvel "Big Three" despite the massive push they have given her since House of M.
She's the biggest female character right now. She's leader of the Avengers, whenever IM's not pushing around. So as of Marvel right now I'd say she's the closest to WW there is.
And I became a big fan of her in HoM so I'mma say she is anyways.
Cap, Iron Man, and Thor have traditionally been the "big 3" in the Avengers pre-Dissassembled. Nowadays with 2 seperate teams and such drastic lineup changes it's harder to say. There really aren't any Marvel characters analagous to the status of DC's holy trinity.
If we are taking popularity alone, then Marvel's "Big 3" suddenly becomes Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Hulk.
And yes they are pushing Ms. Marvel hard as "the most important woman in the Marvel universe!" right now, but I'm pretty sure her solo series (which I do read and enjoy) sells worse than She-Hulk's solo book.
Why is there even a trinity? When I think "Popular DC Characters" a good chunk of the JLA springs to mind : Lantern, Manhunter, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman
Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are generally considered the DC's holy trinity due to thier longevity, mainstream appeal, and status within the DCU.
Although you're not wrong, since the term "Big 7" is often used to describe the traditional core of the JLA (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman)
Yea, when they formed the new JLA, it was the Trinity who decided on all the members. They've got status.
In Marvel it was Iron Man and Ms. Marvel who decided on the new Avengers...I guess until Bucky grows into it Cap doesn't really fit right now into the analogy.
Yea, when they formed the new JLA, it was the Trinity who decided on all the members. They've got status.
In Marvel it was Iron Man and Ms. Marvel who decided on the new Avengers...I guess until Bucky grows into it Cap doesn't really fit right now into the analogy.
They picked the Mighty Avengers. Cap and Iron Man (and fate) picked the New Avengers.
I've only read the two trade paperbacks that collect the first 10 or so issues of the new Iron Man series, but my only beef with the Extremis thing is that his "technopathy" as someone else put it just makes him so ridiculously uber powerful, including a healing factor. Heroes that are too powerful make for boring stories. At least, IMO. It's why I never read Superman, and one of the many reasons The Matrix sequels sucked.
I've only read the two trade paperbacks that collect the first 10 or so issues of the new Iron Man series, but my only beef with the Extremis thing is that his "technopathy" as someone else put it just makes him so ridiculously uber powerful, including a healing factor. Heroes that are too powerful make for boring stories. At least, IMO. It's why I never read Superman, and one of the many reasons The Matrix sequels sucked.
Yeah I've decided to ignore that, because it's kind of retarded.
I've only read the two trade paperbacks that collect the first 10 or so issues of the new Iron Man series, but my only beef with the Extremis thing is that his "technopathy" as someone else put it just makes him so ridiculously uber powerful, including a healing factor. Heroes that are too powerful make for boring stories. At least, IMO. It's why I never read Superman, and one of the many reasons The Matrix sequels sucked.
It'd be more of a problem if Iron Man wasn't getting his ass kicked in at least four books a month. A lot of people have been taking out their Civil War/Hulk related stress on him.
I've only read the two trade paperbacks that collect the first 10 or so issues of the new Iron Man series, but my only beef with the Extremis thing is that his "technopathy" as someone else put it just makes him so ridiculously uber powerful, including a healing factor. Heroes that are too powerful make for boring stories. At least, IMO. It's why I never read Superman, and one of the many reasons The Matrix sequels sucked.
Yeah I've decided to ignore that, because it's kind of retarded.
If they dialed it back a bit to Bloodshot levels, "talking" with machines that are nearby to convince them to do what he wants instead of "immediate access to every machine everywhere ever", then it would be a bit better.
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Unless Superman has been whacked with a nerfbat that I don't know about, not really.
Hasn't Iron Man punched out the Hulk at least once?
Actually, at the end of Civil War
Also, I'm pretty sure he has "Hulkbuster" suits for a reason.
Hulk still mad.
Did he have time to prepare?
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That said, Iron Man is easily one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel U.
Peter David's run on The Incredible Hulk is definitive for a reason.
And the answer is no. Nobody beats The Batman.
If Batman has time to prepare he always wins.
We also know that Batman is always prepared for everything so surprise does not work.
There are an infinite number of things for which one can get prepared.
To prepare for something, implies that the preparation takes non-zero amount of time.
As he is prepared for everything therefore implies he spent an infinite time by doing so.
In conclusion: Batman is the Master of Time
And Master of Time > Man in the Armor with Extremis powers
The solution: Get a time machine and stop his parents from getting shot: Batman defeated.
P.S. Fictional character fights between different universes are stupid. Hell it is stupid in most comic universes as it fluctuates depending on the story and the writer anyway.
Generally comic book comparisons tend to fail for that reason, especially when you do the DC/Marvel thing. For another example, there is a JLA arc where the very objective defenition of truth unravels when Wonder-Woman gets her lasso snapped, and you have another arc within 6 months where someone snaps the lasso, and she goes on fighting like it's no big deal.
TLDR - Comparisons fail because editors don't hold stuff like power levels to any common standard
Edit: Newres made a more concise version of my point
That is so zen. I need to think about that for a while.
He gets all the women, stuff, etc. etc.
If you tried to find equals for DC's Trinity, you'd probably get Cap, Iron Man and Ms. Marvel, but there's probably more differences between them than simularities. Supe is more pro-government in DC, Cap is a rebel. Batman tries to be a myth, Iron Man is probably the most well known hero in Marvel Land.
Shit, the more I think about it, Iron Man is probably Supe's analog and Cap is Batman's.
She's the biggest female character right now. She's leader of the Avengers, whenever IM's not pushing around. So as of Marvel right now I'd say she's the closest to WW there is.
And I became a big fan of her in HoM so I'mma say she is anyways.
If we are taking popularity alone, then Marvel's "Big 3" suddenly becomes Spider-Man, Wolverine, and Hulk.
And yes they are pushing Ms. Marvel hard as "the most important woman in the Marvel universe!" right now, but I'm pretty sure her solo series (which I do read and enjoy) sells worse than She-Hulk's solo book.
Although you're not wrong, since the term "Big 7" is often used to describe the traditional core of the JLA (Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman)
In Marvel it was Iron Man and Ms. Marvel who decided on the new Avengers...I guess until Bucky grows into it Cap doesn't really fit right now into the analogy.
They picked the Mighty Avengers. Cap and Iron Man (and fate) picked the New Avengers.
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Yeah I've decided to ignore that, because it's kind of retarded.
It'd be more of a problem if Iron Man wasn't getting his ass kicked in at least four books a month. A lot of people have been taking out their Civil War/Hulk related stress on him.
If they dialed it back a bit to Bloodshot levels, "talking" with machines that are nearby to convince them to do what he wants instead of "immediate access to every machine everywhere ever", then it would be a bit better.