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    ~Nephilim~~Nephilim~ Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    "Because we roll 20's"

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    MinionOfCthulhuMinionOfCthulhu Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Butler wrote:
    So what should the hypothetical sub-forum be called? I suggest "Above Board".

    Cardfloppers & Dicechuckers.

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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Redx: Do a search for, Megamek.




    Also: I just don't feel right making a whole new post in G+T asking people to teach me how to powergame in D&D. I really, really want this forum.

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    Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    There should be rules against that.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    There should be rules against that.
    Asking how to powergame in D&D? Why?

    I mean, I've played in campaigns like that, before. Nothing wrong with it; it can be a lot of fun. And if the rest of the people you're playing with play like that, too, you're going to need to do something to level the playing field.

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    Aroused BullAroused Bull Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I'm kidding. I was just imagining something like this:

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    Game On: Secrets of Power.............. 567
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    Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Well, I'd rather have an actual dedicated D&D thread to ask it in, but so far there's none, and creating a new one seems like overkill.



    Still, it's something I never do. It's more because I just got into a game, and the DM is encouraging it because "we will need it". And considering what he's told me, I believe him.

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    CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I'd support this forum. I dont know how much I'd post, since I havent played table top RPGs for about a decade, but I'd definetely check it out. Since there doesnt seem to be a technical reason not to have it, I'd like to see a trial run at least.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    ~Nephilim~ wrote:
    "Because we roll 20's"

    I would change this sugestion to simply "Rollin' 20's"

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    FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    Double Dice Dungeon

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    EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Saving Throws. :)

    Anyway, glad to see support for this idea. I look forward to hearing from alpha again on this, although from the way the forums have been behaving in the past day or so it looks like he'll have his hands full.

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    Munkus BeaverMunkus Beaver You don't have to attend every argument you are invited to. Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    Twenties and Tabletops.

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    Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    drhazard wrote:
    Butler wrote:
    So what should the hypothetical sub-forum be called? I suggest "Above Board".
    Basement Battleground.

    Or, just The Kitchen Table.
    "The Tabletop"?

    I mean, I'm still against this idea, but that seems like the most obvious and appropriate name.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I heartily support this decision. I mean what's there to lose? And we can name it something D&D-ish, like Natural 20s Inn. Or just plain ol' Natural Twenties.
    Oh look, a user is being insular and stupid about the sub forums other than his particular favourite without having even tried to post in them. What a fucking shock.
    Oh look. Pheezers being angry because someone does not agree with him. What a fucking shock.
    Okay, it's been said several times, but not in a succinct, direct way: I see a ton of people clamoring for a tabletop gaming forum, and I don't recognize any of those names as people who have ever tried to sustain any tabletop gaming-related threads in G&T.
    Maybe they just feel intimidated? How many comic book topics were there in SE++ and D&D combined? Like 6, MAYBE 7 if you count a discussion on books including graphic novels? And now look at Graphic Violence. It's a thriving community all its' own.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    There should be rules against that.
    Asking how to powergame in D&D? Why?

    I mean, I've played in campaigns like that, before. Nothing wrong with it; it can be a lot of fun. And if the rest of the people you're playing with play like that, too, you're going to need to do something to level the playing field.

    Maybe make it a guideline. Don't ask how to munchkin. It's like asking where to gank in WoW, or what cheats to use in G&T. We might tell you, but now you're branded as a dishonest and lazy player.

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    InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Okay, it's been said several times, but not in a succinct, direct way: I see a ton of people clamoring for a tabletop gaming forum, and I don't recognize any of those names as people who have ever tried to sustain any tabletop gaming-related threads in G&T.
    Maybe they just feel intimidated? How many comic book topics were there in SE++ and D&D combined? Like 6, MAYBE 7 if you count a discussion on books including graphic novels? And now look at Graphic Violence. It's a thriving community all its' own.

    I wouldn't exactly call it a "thriving" community; it has less topics than Linksville. As far as I can gather, the only reason it exists is because comics are like the life-blood of Whippy. If we're going by number of threads, Anime has both Comics and Tabletop Games beat by a longshot.

    It's really a point of where do you draw the line? What about those who play collectable card games, should they get their own forum too? Maybe we should have seperate forums for Console and PC games. I'm just not seeing a reason to make seperate forums for everything just because some people don't feel comfortable posting out of their niche.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Invisible wrote:
    Okay, it's been said several times, but not in a succinct, direct way: I see a ton of people clamoring for a tabletop gaming forum, and I don't recognize any of those names as people who have ever tried to sustain any tabletop gaming-related threads in G&T.
    Maybe they just feel intimidated? How many comic book topics were there in SE++ and D&D combined? Like 6, MAYBE 7 if you count a discussion on books including graphic novels? And now look at Graphic Violence. It's a thriving community all its' own.

    I wouldn't exactly call it a "thriving" community; it has less topics than Linksville. As far as I can gather, the only reason it exists is because comics are like the life-blood of Whippy. If we're going by number of threads, Anime has both Comics and Tabletop Games beat by a longshot.

    It's really a point of where do you draw the line? What about those who play collectable card games, should they get their own forum too? Maybe we should have seperate forums for Console and PC games. I'm just not seeing a reason to make seperate forums for everything just because some people don't feel comfortable posting out of their niche.

    Tabletop games could include cards.

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2006
    Actually, I assumed it did include cards. Hm.

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    redstormpopcornredstormpopcorn Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    There should be rules against that.
    Asking how to powergame in D&D? Why?

    I mean, I've played in campaigns like that, before. Nothing wrong with it; it can be a lot of fun. And if the rest of the people you're playing with play like that, too, you're going to need to do something to level the playing field.
    Maybe make it a guideline. Don't ask how to munchkin. It's like asking where to gank in WoW, or what cheats to use in G&T. We might tell you, but now you're branded as a dishonest and lazy player.
    Eh, I think it has its place. There's always theoretical powergaming for statistical hilarity, like Pun-Pun, or just general tips on getting that little edge out of technical exploitation of existing rules text. Besides, anything we can come up with is automatically shot down by a "no" from the DM.

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    EinEin CaliforniaRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Rorus Raz wrote:
    Actually, I assumed it did include cards. Hm.

    The thread up to this point, including the original post, has implied and reinforced that, yes.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    How about we really stretch our imaginations and just call it tabletop gaming

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    There should be rules against that.
    Asking how to powergame in D&D? Why?

    I mean, I've played in campaigns like that, before. Nothing wrong with it; it can be a lot of fun. And if the rest of the people you're playing with play like that, too, you're going to need to do something to level the playing field.
    Maybe make it a guideline. Don't ask how to munchkin. It's like asking where to gank in WoW, or what cheats to use in G&T. We might tell you, but now you're branded as a dishonest and lazy player.
    Eh, I think it has its place. There's always theoretical powergaming for statistical hilarity, like Pun-Pun, or just general tips on getting that little edge out of technical exploitation of existing rules text. Besides, anything we can come up with is automatically shot down by a "no" from the DM.
    If you don't like powergaming, just stay out of the power-tweak thread. :P

    Obviously, it's not to everyone's tastes, but a lot of people play in campaigns where you'd better have a very combat-able character, or you're just not going to last very long.

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    The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    There should be rules against that.
    Asking how to powergame in D&D? Why?

    I mean, I've played in campaigns like that, before. Nothing wrong with it; it can be a lot of fun. And if the rest of the people you're playing with play like that, too, you're going to need to do something to level the playing field.
    Maybe make it a guideline. Don't ask how to munchkin. It's like asking where to gank in WoW, or what cheats to use in G&T. We might tell you, but now you're branded as a dishonest and lazy player.
    Eh, I think it has its place. There's always theoretical powergaming for statistical hilarity, like Pun-Pun, or just general tips on getting that little edge out of technical exploitation of existing rules text. Besides, anything we can come up with is automatically shot down by a "no" from the DM.

    I mean for the sole edge of being a complete dick and getting the most out of the least. Not like "So how do I play my half-Orc Fighter to maximum effectiveness?" but "How do I get through this campaign without drawing my sword ONCE and still get gold?"

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    I think that there will not be too many posts regarding the request of information on how to "Powergame" in the forum, after all: Those who make the game on threads will have read them and know exactly who it is not to invite to the game.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I think that there will not be too many posts regarding the request of information on how to "Powergame" in the forum, after all: Those who make the game on threads will have read them and know exactly who it is not to invite to the game.
    Why all the hate? Explain that to me. It's just a different way to play; there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there's nothing wrong with Hack 'n' Slash, pure RP, or RP/HnS mixed campaigns. Goddamn. It's a fucking game, all that matters is that you're having fun. :P

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    I think that there will not be too many posts regarding the request of information on how to "Powergame" in the forum, after all: Those who make the game on threads will have read them and know exactly who it is not to invite to the game.
    Why all the hate? Explain that to me. It's just a different way to play; there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there's nothing wrong with Hack 'n' Slash, pure RP, or RP/HnS mixed campaigns. Goddamn. It's a fucking game, all that matters is that you're having fun. :P

    If you are looking for hate from me you won't find it. I simply made what I felt was an accurate observation.

    I will say that I feel that as many games have come to ruin as not from players trying to"game the system" and take arms when given hands.

    My own style is typically that good RP and a solid in character plan will win the day over a "tricked out" character build every day of the week. "Pointfucking" (as some of my freinds like to call it) will only result in more deadly encounters in games I run. The profit will be no higher than if the characters are ballanced.

    I also find that combat specialst characters, being one trick ponies, are quite boring. Your milage may vary.

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    ThanatosThanatos Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thanatos wrote:
    I think that there will not be too many posts regarding the request of information on how to "Powergame" in the forum, after all: Those who make the game on threads will have read them and know exactly who it is not to invite to the game.
    Why all the hate? Explain that to me. It's just a different way to play; there's nothing wrong with it. Just like there's nothing wrong with Hack 'n' Slash, pure RP, or RP/HnS mixed campaigns. Goddamn. It's a fucking game, all that matters is that you're having fun. :P
    If you are looking for hate from me you won't find it. I simply made what I felt was an accurate observation.

    I will say that I feel that as many games have come to ruin as not from players trying to"game the system" and take arms when given hands.

    My own style is typically that good RP and a solid in character plan will win the day over a "tricked out" character build every day of the week. "Pointfucking" (as some of my freinds like to call it) will only result in more deadly encounters in games I run. The profit will be no higher than if the characters are ballanced.

    I also find that combat specialst characters, being one trick ponies, are quite boring. Your milage may vary.
    Fine, great, good for you; but I get really sick of the attitude I get coming off of a lot of players who are heavy RP or pure RP that somehow their way of playing is inherently superior to a power-gamer's way of playing. I mean, don't get me wrong, I would much rather play in an RP-heavy campaign than in a power-gaming one, but that's not a matter of RP-heavy being better than power-gaming; it's a matter of taste, and that's it. Something like how I like drinking vodka straight, whereas many people think it tastes like rubbing alcohol.

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    MulysaSemproniusMulysaSempronius but also susie nyRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    a rule against asking for munchkin advice is kinda silly
    that is what some people enjoy doing in certain games.
    The forum should probably be inclusive..and rules favoring one play style over another kinda defeats that
    if powergaming threads do magically massively overwhelm the board, then mods could consolidate and do something like have a "powergamer's tips and strategies" single thread.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited February 2006
    My whole point was that I feel it would be self regulating. Thsoe who do ask for advice with the intent of being abusive would get squashed quickly in the next [Game On] thread.

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    redxredx I(x)=2(x)+1 whole numbersRegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    do you have any doubt that a competent DM could not control thier game?

    like, if someone wants to run a hack and slash campain, they can. The people involved should muchkin and negelect the other aspects of their charactre and gameplay. To some extent. You get to level 5 and are hitting for 1/5 the damnage of everyone else... well that is not good.

    The other way would get retarded too. It would not be fun for one or 2 people where as everyone else is having a good time.

    so.. whould it be a good idea when starting a campaign to describe which it will be, and mabey get some concesus from the players, yes. Is it nessisary to legislate it? no, that is dumb.

    Redundant threads are bad in every forum but h/a.

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    NapoleonNapoleon Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
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    Sorry.

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    Dyrwen66Dyrwen66 the other's insane Denver CORegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Thou shalt not make demands of the primatus Alpha and the Omega.

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    NapoleonNapoleon Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Dyrwen66 wrote:
    Thou shalt not make demands of the primatus Alpha and the Omega.

    Sorry, I was just thinking on that ATHF episode and it seemed to fit... not trying to be demanding.

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    Dyrwen66Dyrwen66 the other's insane Denver CORegistered User regular
    edited February 2006
    I know, heh, just wanted to find a way to be Biblical about the monkayman.

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    IonMageIonMage Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Now now guys, we can sort this out diplomatically. Its not like we need this subforum by tommorrow, or anything.

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    Rabid_LlamaRabid_Llama Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    yes, lets not bicker about hypothetical topics ina hypothetical subforum just yet guys. It will be up to the hypothetical mods to decide what will be hypothetically off limts.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited February 2006
    Napoleon wrote:
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    Sorry.

    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.

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    The CelestialThe Celestial Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Considering that I threw together a tabletop forum that currently has all of four threads, I'd say the odds of a subforum are slim to none around here.
    As neato as that is, I think the point is that people want it on the PA boards. I mean, i could go to Librarium Online for 40K stuff or Wizard's forum for D&D talk, but it just doesn't feel right. Personally, I love it here and I feel weird when I'm on another board, like I'm cheating on my first love or something equally retarded.

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    EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited February 2006
    Let me rephrase that.

    If people want a subforum, why are there only three tabletop-related threads in G&T? Tabletop gaming is on topic there.

    Start some threads! Show your interest for tabletop stuff!

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    The CelestialThe Celestial Registered User regular
    edited February 2006
    Echo wrote:
    Let me rephrase that.

    If people want a subforum, why are there only three tabletop-related threads in G&T? Tabletop gaming is on topic there.

    Start some threads! Show your interest for tabletop stuff!
    To quote The Muffin Man, "Maybe they just feel intimidated?" I know I do going into the swirling mass that is G&T. But I primarily chill in AC, which has a very organized society and isn't as busy as G&T.

    With a place dedicated specifically to Tabletop goodies, people could feel free to hop into things at a much slower pace.

    btw, not trying to play Devil's Advocate here, just fueling discussion

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