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My Dead Wii. Thanks, Brawl

multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Games and Technology
So I had some friends over, and we were going to play some Wii. I put in Brawl, and I got the dreaded Disc Read Error message. Shit, I thought, I was afraid of that. But I figured, hell, we might as well play something else as long as we're here. So I popped in WarioWare. No go. Mario Galaxy? Nope. Wii Sports? Nothing. The most frustrating part is that I haven't even had my Wii for a MONTH yet, and Brawl was working perfectly fine last night, and every night since I got it. Now nothing does.

I'm convinced it's not an issue with dust like Nintendo says it is. I went through the process of filling out a repair application, and they want you to send in the Brawl disc as well, which seems odd, since the problem isn't supposed to be with the game. Also, my Wii is kept in a well-ventilated entertainment center setup, with only minimal dust. Also, did I mention it's not even a month old? I don't smoke and I'm not a slob. Does Nintendo expect us to keep our Wiis in a pristine environment, or else we have to keep sending it in for repairs to play the best game on it?

I suspect it has something to do with the Brawl disc. It installs a system update the first time you play it, and I'm convinced that update is buggy, at least on some discs. Why else would you have to send your Brawl disc in with the system, if not to get it replaced with a fixed copy? While I'm glad that Nintendo is taking full responsibility for this and footing the bill, it sucks that they may have released games with potential system-killing bugs.

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  • Mustachio JonesMustachio Jones jerseyRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You have to send the disc with it for them to make sure you've actually got a copy of the game and aren't getting a free repair out of it.

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  • YodaTunaYodaTuna Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    multimoog wrote: »
    Why else would you have to send your Brawl disc in with the system, if not to get it replaced with a fixed copy?

    So that when they get the system and the disc they can see if the disc is scratched so they know if you wasted their time and then they get to charge you shipping. I'm sure some hyperactive soccer mom might have seen some rumors on the internets and immediately sent in their Wii.

    Just covering their bases.

    Edit: His explanation is good too.

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  • victor_c26victor_c26 Chicago, ILRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    So brawl killing Wiis is actually a widespread problem?

    Damnit! :x

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    DREs happen to the best of us. My GameCube DRE for no good reason. Turns out the lens was worn out after a couple of months. I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same here. I highly doubt Brawl's system update is what's causing DRE to happen. If it were the system update, I suspect it do more dastardly things to the hardware.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It's widespread enough that we've been sent an alert on it in my department.

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    You know, you guys are probably right, thinking about it calmly, but it's still kind of insane that it's expected you keep your system in a near-dust-free environment in order to play the game. And I still don't get why NONE of my discs work now. Like I said, it's not like dust/smoke/asbestos is choking the vents on the back or anything. I'm going to test out the compressed air solution tomorrow, see if maybe it works. If I have to continually send my system in to keep playing the game, I don't know if it's worth it.

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  • evilmrhenryevilmrhenry Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If it was just a bad update, I'd expect Nintendo to push out an update over the net to fix it. Repairs are expensive...

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  • Sci-Fi WasabiSci-Fi Wasabi Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I have it in good faith that Nintendo will solve these issues SOMEhow. RROD this ain't.

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  • Shady3011Shady3011 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It's most likely the lens being worn out. That's usually how DREs occur. There's really nothing you can do to prevent it.

    To give you some background, I've had my Wii since launch and hardly ever keep it dust free. It has enough ventilation to not overheat easily but no more than six inches. It still plays flawlessly and Brawl hasn't done a thing to it. At least, not yet anyway.

    Sending it back to Nintendo is the smart move. You want to avoid doing any real harm to the Wii since it will void warranty.

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  • multimoogmultimoog Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Yeah. I'm just SO PISSED OFF after waiting for so long, and now I won't even be able to play ANY Wii games for at least a week and a half.

    This is why I'm glad my PS3 is my main system, he sighed, as smoke rose out of said system.

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  • AbsoluteZeroAbsoluteZero The new film by Quentin Koopantino Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Your Wii just couldn't handle the awesomeness that is Brawl. That is all.

    I'm not sure but I think Brawl might be the first dual layer game disc for Wii, I'd bet that is what is making problems crop up in some consoles.

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm not sure but I think Brawl might be the first dual layer game disc for Wii, I'd bet that is what is making problems crop up in some consoles.

    Correct. Majority of these problems are result of dirty lens which prevent console from reading dual layer disc correctly. Some people have got their Brawl working simply by using standard dvd cleaning kit, although this doesn't always work.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    victor_c26 wrote: »
    So brawl killing Wiis is actually a widespread problem?

    Damnit! :x

    Brawl demands a sacrifice.

    It's worth it.

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  • KimFidlerKimFidler Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Xbox 360 = Red Ring of Death
    Wii = ???

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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    KimFidler wrote: »
    Xbox 360 = Red Ring of Death
    Wii = It's okay because Nintendo is the best company to ever grace the world with its presence and will do everything it can to solve these issues to cultivate warm feelings and goodness in the hearts of gamers everywhere because they're just that nice unlike those other companies who do nothing to help the industry or gamers or innovate quite like Nintendo does.

    There you go.

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pancake wrote: »
    There you go.

    Ah, the douchebaggery. Did this raise your "X-Treme Hardcore Gamer" score? And certainly, at least Nintendo acknowledges the problem instead of trying to say for 1½ years that problem doesn't exist at all.

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Brawl showing up and getting a DRE on all games is likely just a coincidence, especially if Brawl played fine previously. It's probably not dirt either. Regardless what Nintendo has said, the Brawl DREs (which is not what's happening here since every game is getting a DRE) are probably due to shoddy quality control on a batch of lenses during the Wii shortage. The only people I know who have had any problems with DREs on Brawl (and only Brawl) have consoles bought after launch until around mid-2007. Launch and new consoles seem to be generally unaffected.

    However, you seem to be experiencing something else. Just send the Wii off for repair. Hardware failures happen.

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  • mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    My Wii won't read Brawl either.

    I'm pretty pissed at Nintendo that they never fixed my damn Wii in the first place, when I got it repaired a few months ago.

    It was incapable of reading a few games in particular (Spider-Man 3 wouldn't play at all past the copyright screen, and Kororinpa would fail around half the time), so I got it repaired just in case. They said they couldn't duplicate the problem, but that they replaced the disc drive to make sure.

    It hasn't had time to get dirty enough for it to fail to read Brawl. There's something else going on here!

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  • InvisibleInvisible Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm not really surprised. I had to turn WiiConnect24 off because last time I left it on the Wii overheated and damaged the graphics card. It was repaired for free, but still that's not something a "feature" should cause. And the sound it makes when it reads the Brawl disc makes me nervous as hell.

    Nintendo used to make really sturdy hardware, Gameboys that survived fires, dropped SNES, etc. What happened?

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  • ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    My Wii won't read Brawl either.

    I'm pretty pissed at Nintendo that they never fixed my damn Wii in the first place, when I got it repaired a few months ago.

    It was incapable of reading a few games in particular (Spider-Man 3 wouldn't play at all past the copyright screen, and Kororinpa would fail around half the time), so I got it repaired just in case. They said they couldn't duplicate the problem, but that they replaced the disc drive to make sure.

    It hasn't had time to get dirty enough for it to fail to read Brawl. There's something else going on here!

    If you have friends with copies of the game, preferably copies bought from different stores, try them. The lenses that have trouble focusing on dual layer discs can sometimes read one disc but not another due to slight variations in pressing. If your friend's Wii can read both copies and yours can only read his, then simply swap copies and enjoy (until the problem gets worse or another dual-layer game comes out and it doesn't work :) )

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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    elkatas wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    There you go.

    Ah, the douchebaggery. Did this raise your "X-Treme Hardcore Gamer" score? And certainly, at least Nintendo acknowledges the problem instead of trying to say for 1½ years that problem doesn't exist at all.

    Why are you being so mean. I was just trying to give as accurate a G&T response as I could and then you go and call it douchebaggery. :(

    What does that say about you as a person?

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It hasn't had time to get dirty enough for it to fail to read Brawl. There's something else going on here!

    Shitty drives, nothing else. If this would be update related, problem would be far more widespread. After all, firmware is bit-to-bit identical in every console.

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  • elkataselkatas Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pancake wrote: »
    What does that say about you as a person?

    That I'm better person than you. :P

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  • mntorankusumntorankusu I'm not sure how to use this thing.... Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    My Wii won't read Brawl either.

    I'm pretty pissed at Nintendo that they never fixed my damn Wii in the first place, when I got it repaired a few months ago.

    It was incapable of reading a few games in particular (Spider-Man 3 wouldn't play at all past the copyright screen, and Kororinpa would fail around half the time), so I got it repaired just in case. They said they couldn't duplicate the problem, but that they replaced the disc drive to make sure.

    It hasn't had time to get dirty enough for it to fail to read Brawl. There's something else going on here!

    If you have friends with copies of the game, preferably copies bought from different stores, try them. The lenses that have trouble focusing on dual layer discs can sometimes read one disc but not another due to slight variations in pressing. If your friend's Wii can read both copies and yours can only read his, then simply swap copies and enjoy (until the problem gets worse or another dual-layer game comes out and it doesn't work :) )

    Unfortunately, I am the only person I know who owns Brawl (plus, I already sent my Wii and my copy to Nintendo). I only know one guy who owns a Wii, and he brought it over the day the game came out to play my copy, and it worked fine.

    I put a note with my Wii that says
    Dear Nintendo,

    Please actually fix it this time. Thank you.

    P.S., Seriously.

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  • BehemothBehemoth Compulsive Seashell Collector Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I kept my Wii in a drawer for the last 3 months or so. It plays Brawl no problem.

    This same thing happened in Japan, it's not as though Nintendo can make easier-to-read dual-layer DVDs for the US, it was bound to happen here too.

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  • VulpineVulpine Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Invisible wrote: »
    Nintendo used to make really sturdy hardware, Gameboys that survived fires, dropped SNES, etc. What happened?

    Optical drives probably play a large part. It only takes the lens to get slightly damaged or a little too dusty, and problems start to occur. Furthermore, all the moving parts are prime targets for something to go wrong. A cartridge slot, by comparison, is much sturdier, even if the NES' pins would eventually work their way loose.

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  • SpikedFreakSpikedFreak Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pancake wrote: »
    elkatas wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    There you go.

    Ah, the douchebaggery. Did this raise your "X-Treme Hardcore Gamer" score? And certainly, at least Nintendo acknowledges the problem instead of trying to say for 1½ years that problem doesn't exist at all.

    Why are you being so mean. I was just trying to give as accurate a G&T response as I could and then you go and call it douchebaggery. :(

    What does that say about you as a person?

    What does that say about G&T?

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Pancake wrote: »
    elkatas wrote: »
    Pancake wrote: »
    There you go.

    Ah, the douchebaggery. Did this raise your "X-Treme Hardcore Gamer" score? And certainly, at least Nintendo acknowledges the problem instead of trying to say for 1½ years that problem doesn't exist at all.

    Why are you being so mean. I was just trying to give as accurate a G&T response as I could and then you go and call it douchebaggery. :(

    What does that say about you as a person?

    What does that say about G&T?

    That they're a bunch of Nintendo fags?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2008
    It was incapable of reading a few games in particular (Spider-Man 3 wouldn't play at all past the copyright screen, and Kororinpa would fail around half the time),

    You might have the taste switch set to "good".

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Is every single hardware problem going to be compared to the red ring of death now?

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  • redfenixredfenix Aka'd as rfix Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    Is every single hardware problem going to be compared to the red ring of death now?

    kinda like for software it's the BSOD?

    probably.

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2008
    I can't even remember the last time I got the BSOD. Is it even still blue?

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  • MasumeMasume Creator Caprica, FloridaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    multimoog wrote: »
    Yeah. I'm just SO PISSED OFF after waiting for so long, and now I won't even be able to play ANY Wii games for at least a week and a half.

    I've had my Wii since launch, not a single problem with any updates.

    Offhand, I did have one brief moment where the Wii wouldn't crank up at all, all it took was unplugging it from the wall proper and let the power clear out of it, then replugging it back in. I take it you tried that?

    I also believe there was some way to hard reset the firmware, I just can't recall what it is offhand but check your manual.

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  • NickleNickle Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    :( is all I can say really.

    Nintendo received my Wii yesterday, though, so here's hoping for a quick turn around. I'm not buying the 'dust or smoke' excuse though, I think it's a problem with the laser assembly itself, just from some cursory searching around.

    In any case, the shelf is cold and lonely, and my Sunday morning brawl party was ruined.

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  • VeeveeVeevee WisconsinRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Nickle wrote: »
    In any case, the shelf is cold and lonely, and my Sunday morning brawl party was ruined.

    As was mine. Sent mine off Monday.

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  • life3life3 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I can't even remember the last time I got the BSOD. Is it even still blue?

    I got these when I had Vista installed. It is still very blue. :(

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  • piLpiL Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Vulpine wrote: »
    Invisible wrote: »
    Nintendo used to make really sturdy hardware, Gameboys that survived fires, dropped SNES, etc. What happened?

    Optical drives probably play a large part. It only takes the lens to get slightly damaged or a little too dusty, and problems start to occur. Furthermore, all the moving parts are prime targets for something to go wrong. A cartridge slot, by comparison, is much sturdier, even if the NES' pins would eventually work their way loose.

    Actually, I believe this was one of the reasons that Nintendo stuck with cartridges for the 64, wasn't it? It was assumed that kids would jostle their console too much and scratch their discs unplayable?

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  • TubeTube Registered User admin
    edited March 2008
    I think loading times were a given reason as well. I have to say though (touch wood) I've never had a console fail on me, optical drive or no, other than the PS2. Not even my Saturn. I also have super, super old CDs that still work despite the fact that I take worse care of my CDs than anyone under the sun.

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  • VulpineVulpine Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    piL wrote: »
    Vulpine wrote: »
    Invisible wrote: »
    Nintendo used to make really sturdy hardware, Gameboys that survived fires, dropped SNES, etc. What happened?

    Optical drives probably play a large part. It only takes the lens to get slightly damaged or a little too dusty, and problems start to occur. Furthermore, all the moving parts are prime targets for something to go wrong. A cartridge slot, by comparison, is much sturdier, even if the NES' pins would eventually work their way loose.

    Actually, I believe this was one of the reasons that Nintendo stuck with cartridges for the 64, wasn't it? It was assumed that kids would jostle their console too much and scratch their discs unplayable?

    I think the angle they went for in the press was loading times, comparing a rocket (cartridge) to a snail (CD), but I wouldn't be surprised if that was a factor as well.

    Edit: beaten by the Tube! That'll teach me for wandering off. I've acquired a PS2 which wouldn't read any discs at all, but I coaxed it into working again. It's still the only PS2 I've ever owned, still going strong.

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  • KVWKVW Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I can't even remember the last time I got the BSOD. Is it even still blue?

    Newer versions of Windows started hiding it by auto-restarting instead of displaying the error screen. Not sure if Vista does this still.

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