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Don't be the guy who belittles another decent person b/c your beliefs are proven. Its kind of douchey.
I hardly ever do that in real interactions with people. I'll step in, for example, if a Catholic is making fun of Mormonism, and ask them how their religion is any less ridiculous. That's mostly to show that they should be more tolerant rather than to make fun of their beliefs, though.
To be fair, Doc, the Mormon brand of crazy is a lot finer crazy than the Catholic brand. Like an Everclear 180-proof purity of crazy compared to a Bud Light.
As a Christian-leaning agnostic, I think it's hard to offend atheists other than by things which are offensive to anybody. Calling anyone a child-raping puppy killer is offensive, and sometimes "because you're an atheist" is tacked onto the end of that sentence for added effect.
Don't be the guy who belittles another decent person b/c your beliefs are proven. Its kind of douchey.
I hardly ever do that in real interactions with people. I'll step in, for example, if a Catholic is making fun of Mormonism, and ask them how their religion is any less ridiculous. That's mostly to show that they should be more tolerant rather than to make fun of their beliefs, though.
To be fair, Doc, the Mormon brand of crazy is a lot finer crazy than the Catholic brand. Like an Everclear 180-proof purity of crazy compared to a Bud Light.
Why is it more crazy? Because they claim that miracles and prophets were around more recently?
I guess this thread isn't the place for it, but consider every Mormon belief, then compare it to a belief of Catholicism. I think you'll find that they are very much on par with each other, but Catholicism claimed stuff happened a long time ago, which does nothing to lend the claims credibility.
Typically the only reason I go is for a funeral or wedding. I recognize that the people being honored are religious and it's rather silly of me to refuse to go on the basis that they're holding the event at a religious site.
Typically the only reason I go is for a funeral or wedding. I recognize that the people being honored are religious and it's rather silly of me to refuse to go on the basis that they're holding the event at a religious site.
Not only that, but when your grandmother wants the family to go to church with her once a year, you go.
Typically the only reason I go is for a funeral or wedding. I recognize that the people being honored are religious and it's rather silly of me to refuse to go on the basis that they're holding the event at a religious site.
Not only that, but when your grandmother wants the family to go to church with her once a year, you go.
I could see that if I lived near the rest of my family and if that was an issue with us (I haven't "outted" myself as an atheist to my extended family but I don't take them for morons).
Heh, fun topic. I can't speak for all atheists, but I really don't get offended-- just frustrated. Unfortunately, I live in the southern part of the U.S., but a little more South of where the real bible-thumpin' good ol' Americanese Christian super-people live. Ugh, they get on my nerves.
I would hate to have that rule here, though: don't offend Christians. I enjoy offending Christians. I guess that makes me a bad person, but it makes me feel better after the frustrating 'burn in hell' and 'devil-worshipper' charges. Boy, those are fun.
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Because some grandmothers aren't frail, and would kick your ass if you didn't oblige. (And it's a polite thing to do)
Man even the frail ones can pack a whallop. Remember that they beat your mother / father into submission and won't hesitate to do the same!
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Seriously, though. If grandmother wanted the entire family's ass in church, we'd show up. She's the head of the family and that side of the family is extremely close. What she says is law.
That's not good enough reason for me. If she was getting married or something I'd concider going, but just because? Nah.
I'm with ya. Respect goes both ways: respect her as a grandparent, as an elder, and such by the way I treat her and love her.. but she should respect that I refuse to set foot in, or support any kind of, church. Luckily, no family member has forced me to go to church.... whew.
Typically the only reason I go is for a funeral or wedding. I recognize that the people being honored are religious and it's rather silly of me to refuse to go on the basis that they're holding the event at a religious site.
Not only that, but when your grandmother wants the family to go to church with her once a year, you go.
One set of my grandparents are fiercely atheist.
The other pair were actually missionaries at one point, but I'm still fairly sure my grandma still only goes out of boredom and for the social contact. She doesn't like family members going with her. I'm sure my (vicar) grandfather was religious though. Exhausted himself and got really ill a few times by working too hard.
Only religious types think church has to be about God.
I would think it would depend on the type of church. Unitarian churches might be ok for being an outed atheist, but southern baptist/catholic/methodist/etc. probably wouldn't.
I would venture to guess* you would not get any enjoyment out of the music, networking, etc. because you would be too busy trying to beat off the people trying to convert you or people calling you a satanist.
*guess based on going to a southern methodist church up until I was 18 or so.
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Fair enough, perhaps not with your awful evangelical type religions, but pedigree bigotry'n'prejudice like Catholicism or Church of England has lots of pretty rituals and singing to enjoy.
That's not good enough reason for me. If she was getting married or something I'd concider going, but just because? Nah.
I'm with ya. Respect goes both ways: respect her as a grandparent, as an elder, and such by the way I treat her and love her.. but she should respect that I refuse to set foot in, or support any kind of, church. Luckily, no family member has forced me to go to church.... whew.
This seems like another one of those religious double standards because I doubt any of you would expect your really religious grandparents to go with you to an atheist club or some Dawkins speech once or year. As Merovingi noted, you can still respect them without having to go to church. I think the act of asking and expecting someone who is openly atheist to go to church is a bit disrespectful. To clarify, I think the asking is fine, but getting upset if they decline is disrespectful.
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Only religious types think church has to be about God.
I would think it would depend on the type of church. Unitarian churches might be ok for being an outed atheist, but southern baptist/catholic/methodist/etc. probably wouldn't.
I would venture to guess* you would not get any enjoyment out of the music, networking, etc. because you would be too busy trying to beat off the people trying to convert you or people calling you a satanist.
*guess based on going to a southern methodist church up until I was 18 or so.
How would they know? Sure, you're an "out" Atheists, but as long as you aren't marching down the street screaming that you don't believe in god, that shouldn't really be public knowledge.
How would they know? Sure, you're an "out" Atheists, but as long as you aren't marching down the street screaming that you don't believe in god, that shouldn't really be public knowledge.
Surrepticiously flick holy water on them, the smoke is usually a clue.
How would they know? Sure, you're an "out" Atheists, but as long as you aren't marching down the street screaming that you don't believe in god, that shouldn't really be public knowledge.
Um because the original quote under discussion was about a Unitarian church with atheists who openly admitted it.
Aye, saying that "Science is just a belief" (as someone said above), or other such illogical nonsense, would probably offend an atheist... well, it'd offend anyone who thinks rationally, but that's another issue.
How about "I voted for ____ because my parents did". That's enough to set any rational person to have a conniption.
How would they know? Sure, you're an "out" Atheists, but as long as you aren't marching down the street screaming that you don't believe in god, that shouldn't really be public knowledge.
Um because the original quote under discussion was about a Unitarian church with atheists who openly admitted it.
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To be fair, Doc, the Mormon brand of crazy is a lot finer crazy than the Catholic brand. Like an Everclear 180-proof purity of crazy compared to a Bud Light.
As a Christian-leaning agnostic, I think it's hard to offend atheists other than by things which are offensive to anybody. Calling anyone a child-raping puppy killer is offensive, and sometimes "because you're an atheist" is tacked onto the end of that sentence for added effect.
Why is it more crazy? Because they claim that miracles and prophets were around more recently?
I guess this thread isn't the place for it, but consider every Mormon belief, then compare it to a belief of Catholicism. I think you'll find that they are very much on par with each other, but Catholicism claimed stuff happened a long time ago, which does nothing to lend the claims credibility.
Not only that, but when your grandmother wants the family to go to church with her once a year, you go.
I could see that if I lived near the rest of my family and if that was an issue with us (I haven't "outted" myself as an atheist to my extended family but I don't take them for morons).
I would hate to have that rule here, though: don't offend Christians. I enjoy offending Christians. I guess that makes me a bad person, but it makes me feel better after the frustrating 'burn in hell' and 'devil-worshipper' charges. Boy, those are fun.
Why?
Because it's polite.
Because it's your grandmother.
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Seriously, though. If grandmother wanted the entire family's ass in church, we'd show up. She's the head of the family and that side of the family is extremely close. What she says is law.
I'm with ya. Respect goes both ways: respect her as a grandparent, as an elder, and such by the way I treat her and love her.. but she should respect that I refuse to set foot in, or support any kind of, church. Luckily, no family member has forced me to go to church.... whew.
One set of my grandparents are fiercely atheist.
The other pair were actually missionaries at one point, but I'm still fairly sure my grandma still only goes out of boredom and for the social contact. She doesn't like family members going with her. I'm sure my (vicar) grandfather was religious though. Exhausted himself and got really ill a few times by working too hard.
Music, ceremony, community, networking, incense, Christmas candles, Christmas carols, free wine...
Only religious types think church has to be about God.
I would think it would depend on the type of church. Unitarian churches might be ok for being an outed atheist, but southern baptist/catholic/methodist/etc. probably wouldn't.
I would venture to guess* you would not get any enjoyment out of the music, networking, etc. because you would be too busy trying to beat off the people trying to convert you or people calling you a satanist.
*guess based on going to a southern methodist church up until I was 18 or so.
This seems like another one of those religious double standards because I doubt any of you would expect your really religious grandparents to go with you to an atheist club or some Dawkins speech once or year. As Merovingi noted, you can still respect them without having to go to church. I think the act of asking and expecting someone who is openly atheist to go to church is a bit disrespectful. To clarify, I think the asking is fine, but getting upset if they decline is disrespectful.
How would they know? Sure, you're an "out" Atheists, but as long as you aren't marching down the street screaming that you don't believe in god, that shouldn't really be public knowledge.
Surrepticiously flick holy water on them, the smoke is usually a clue.
Um because the original quote under discussion was about a Unitarian church with atheists who openly admitted it.
Edit: See reading the thread 101. http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showpost.php?p=4821221&postcount=36
This works WONDERS with my Atheist friends.
What?
It seems like you are working under the assumption all atheists eat organic foods. This is a bad assumption.
Indeed. Plenty of them eat at Hardee's. Just sayin'.
Nonsense!
I'm a fat fuck that eats meat, shits on hippie vegetarians and doesn't believe in a higher power.
Swing and a miss!
How about "I voted for ____ because my parents did". That's enough to set any rational person to have a conniption.
Read my post. Carefully. Sound out all the big words, and if something still doesn't quite make sense to you, call an adult for help.
Thread over, Drez FTW
You're assuming that Atheists have mothers.
I heard they fell from a slit in Buddha's side
Your mom doesn't exist, though I would note that if I saw evidence of her existing, I would retract this comment.