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Video games research project

gporter333gporter333 Registered User regular
edited March 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
My name is Dr Guy Porter, a clinical researcher based in Sydney, Australia. I am part of a team of researchers headed by Dr Vladan Starcevic, Associate Professor at the Discipline of Psychological Medicine, University of Sydney.

We are investigating patterns of video game use, both online and offline. Specifically, our project aims to determine the characteristics and impact of excessive video game use.

We are looking for video game users from all backgrounds and who play all types of video games to take part in an anonymous online survey.

This project is not for profit and has received ethics committee approval by The University of Sydney.

If you’d like to take part, please follow the link below to our website:

http://www.nepean.med.usyd.edu.au/research/psych.php
(The survey can be found at the top right corner)

-Dr Guy Porter
Clinical Researcher

For:
A/Prof Vladan Starcevic
Discipline of Psychological Medicine
University of Sydney
Australia

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  • matisyahumatisyahu Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Whenever these things pop up I always feel bad that the higher limit for "how many hours do you play per week" is well below the amount of time I play per week.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The final 1/3 of the test irks me. It seems like you're trying to link playing videogames to all the nasty stuff you ask about in that part. That your test doesn't take into account extenuating circumstances doesn't sit well with me.

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  • matisyahumatisyahu Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I think if you just answer the questions honestly then the scientific community will determine the validity of the study.

    If there's a lot of shaky people scared to leave the house, and a lot of those types play a lot of videogames, that's significant regardless of the causal relationship.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The other obvious problem is that an internet forum about video games will be disproportionately male and probably disproportionately towards the heavy end of the spectrum which kind of masks how prevalent they actually are.

    I also really didn't like "did you give up something else (TV)?" for video games - there's no way to know how that will actually be interpreted and has too much scope to be morphed to mean whatever one wants. I fail to see the problem trading one sedentry activity for another, though the Wii certainly makes me physically tired from activity (but I've never broken a TV despite not getting the improved wrist straps).
    The vagueness of a lot of the questions raised a lot of red flags in my mind. I got the feeling that they were written in such a way that--due to their vagueness--someone could spin the results to favor whatever agenda they might be pushing.

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  • matisyahumatisyahu Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If the hardcore (non-casual, non-sports) gaming community has a disproportionate amount of depressives, enough to sway a survey like this, I would hope it would get some attention so maybe we can get some dang help. Scientists aren't always conspiring to take the games away.

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  • gporter333gporter333 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Hi all and thanks for taking the survey!

    Just to answer some of your concerns:
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    The final 1/3 of the test irks me. It seems like you're trying to link playing videogames to all the nasty stuff you ask about in that part. That your test doesn't take into account extenuating circumstances doesn't sit well with me.

    We are certainly not setting out to try to link video game use to all of life's problems. Indeed video game use has many benefits. What we are concerned with is the concept of 'excessive' use - what does this actually mean? Can it be defined? Yes the questions in the second part of the survey ask you about various negative emotions / experiences over the last 7 days, but we will not be assuming that these are necessarily related to video games. Of course people have other problems - this will be taken into account in the interpretation of the results.

    I was recently interviewed by the Australian PC magazine 'Atomic' about our work. You may find the article interesting as they covered our current project and also asked me about my views on Jack Thompson!

    The link is:
    http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/article.asp?CIID=104069

    cheers,
    Dr Guy Porter

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  • The CatThe Cat Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Normally we don't allow these kinds of threads since they fall under the spamming rule, but this one seems to have sparked some interesting comment, so it can stay. It'd be best if you'd ask a mod or admin for permission in future, though.

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  • gporter333gporter333 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The Cat wrote: »
    Normally we don't allow these kinds of threads since they fall under the spamming rule, but this one seems to have sparked some interesting comment, so it can stay. It'd be best if you'd ask a mod or admin for permission in future, though.

    Thanks for continuing the thread. I certainly understand the need to reduce / eliminate spam from forums.

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  • KalkinoKalkino Buttons Londres Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    gporter333 wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Normally we don't allow these kinds of threads since they fall under the spamming rule, but this one seems to have sparked some interesting comment, so it can stay. It'd be best if you'd ask a mod or admin for permission in future, though.

    Thanks for continuing the thread. I certainly understand the need to reduce / eliminate spam from forums.

    You understand, but do you empathise?

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  • Crimson KingCrimson King Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'd been going through the checklist, ticking off the problem boxes, thinking "Hey, I've got a lot more of these then I expected. Maybe there's something wrong with me." The last question was "Do you feel like there's something wrong with your mind?" I burst out laughing. I'm pretty sure going through and ticking off a checklist of your personal problems will make anyone feel like that.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    "The idea that you should be punished for your sins"

    What the hell does this have to do with gaming?

    -Well ok... I did make that one illegal copy of Mortal Kombat back in the 90s.

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  • ScooterScooter Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Kalkino wrote: »
    gporter333 wrote: »
    The Cat wrote: »
    Normally we don't allow these kinds of threads since they fall under the spamming rule, but this one seems to have sparked some interesting comment, so it can stay. It'd be best if you'd ask a mod or admin for permission in future, though.

    Thanks for continuing the thread. I certainly understand the need to reduce / eliminate spam from forums.

    You understand, but do you empathise?

    Does he denounce and reject the spammers?

    Edit: It made me feel a lot better about myself. I'm a pretty easy going guy and got to answer "not at all" to most everything.

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  • flamebroiledchickenflamebroiledchicken Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    How many games are you currently playing? is kind of a weird question. I have plenty of casual games like Icy Tower or N that I play every now and then, for like 15 minutes. Or sometimes I fuck around in the demo for EA Skate. Sometimes I join my roommate for a few rounds of Halo 3. I'm also in the middle of Donkey Kong Country but haven't played it in a few months. Do all these count as "currently playing"?

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    umm... how many people actually THINK they use caffeine to excess, even if they do? I suspect that question would've been more useful with actual quantitative answers. Ditto for the alcohol one.

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  • an_altan_alt Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Yeah, some of the questions certainly seem a little odd. The only thing I spend less time on to play vids is TV and I think that's a good thing. Lumping tv time in with social activities seems rather strange.

    Yes, I have heavy arms and legs from working out a sore back because of an old football injury. Asking about overeating in the past seven days right after Easter is about the same as asking the question right after Thanksgiving or Christmas. Everyone in the American Primaries thread has likely had the urge to beat someone in the last week. Though I suppose if they weren't bothered by it, the correct response is the same as somebody who hasn't had the urge to beat anyone.

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  • NerissaNerissa Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    an_alt wrote: »
    Yeah, some of the questions certainly seem a little odd. The only thing I spend less time on to play vids is TV and I think that's a good thing. Lumping tv time in with social activities seems rather strange.

    Yes, I have heavy arms and legs from working out a sore back because of an old football injury. Asking about overeating in the past seven days right after Easter is about the same as asking the question right after Thanksgiving or Christmas. Everyone in the American Primaries thread has likely had the urge to beat someone in the last week. Though I suppose if they weren't bothered by it, the correct response is the same as somebody who hasn't had the urge to beat anyone.

    Yeah, particularly if you have kids in the house and shopped for Easter candy at a wholesale club. :P

    Have I had the urge to yell at someone? I've got a 12-year-old and a 3-year-old, of course I have.

    Tired? I work full time plus raise 2 kids, what do YOU think?

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm in the "study with an agenda" camp. The way questions are formulated is very similar to "studies on problem XXX" where we start with the assumption that XXX is a problem and use it as a base to our text. The claim "we wan't assume that something something is related to the study subject, but we're asking for it in the study" is also not serious. I didn't complete it. It's best if everybody judges for himself, but as far as I'm concerned, academic or not, the study is straight for the trash bin.

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Just as an aside, I hate, hate, hate how these surveys with the percent completed bar at the top lie horribly.

    It skips like 9 or so percent each page when you're going through the easy stuff, but now that I'm on the 10 question per page clickathon, it only moves up like two percent.

    It's a shady use of percentages, and I don't brook it, no sir!

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  • MikeMcSomethingMikeMcSomething Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Question 2 is listed as ''occupation and employment'', but there is no way to answer "I go to college and work"

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    matisyahu wrote: »
    Whenever these things pop up I always feel bad that the higher limit for "how many hours do you play per week" is well below the amount of time I play per week.

    This.

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  • OctoparrotOctoparrot Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    If their study somehow ties my 2 hours a week playing games to "muscle fatigue- often, etc, etc" and not to "spending my free time in sports activity", they should be ashamed.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Wow, that agenda was incredibly damned transparent. You should probably look for a correlation between the street-drug question and the how-many-friends question, as well as the question where "college student" is an option and probably the age question too. Bet they're the stronger correlations than the one you're clearly looking for.

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  • MikeMcSomethingMikeMcSomething Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    His interview is pretty good - he's more interested in seeing if a correlation exists, not trying to mine data to make it seem like games r' bad. In the article he says he's trying to see if, among other things, violent games cause violent people or if violent people are just prone to violent games in the first place. I think people heard ''video games'' and ''survey'' and went "OH SHIT THE SOCCER MOMS ARE GONNA MAKE US LOOK BAD AGAIN!"


    Dr Porter: Previous studies have suggested an association between use of violent video games and aggression with a possible bi-directional effect. In other words, while certain games may make some individuals more aggressive, it is equally likely that these individuals will choose to play violent games in the first place. Therefore it is difficult to separate cause from effect. This finding appears to be more significant for young children than adults. Existing studies tend to be of a poor quality and are by no means conclusive. There is a need for better designed, longer-term studies.

    Atomic: Can we say that there is a link between violent video games and violence in the real world?

    Dr Porter: It is very difficult to establish a link between the use of violent video games and real world acts of violence. This is because there are so many other variables which have not been controlled for in previous research – these include social factors such as drugs, alcohol, mental illness, access to guns, and so on.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Except that the back half of the survey (before the mini-psychoanalysis bit) tries really hard to find nicotine in videogames.

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  • MikeMcSomethingMikeMcSomething Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    No, it doesn't. Read his interview.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    I don't see how his interview is relevant. He's not using the interview to collect his data, and data-collection is what I'm concerned with.

    Edit: Though incidentally explicitly looking only for a correlation and not trying to say anything with it coupled with the failure to get any information that could suggest anything about causation strikes me as a way of getting the numbers to say what you want without having to actually prove it by relying on the fact that the majority of people who are going to read about it in the news don't know the difference between correlation and causation in the first place.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    The content of the survey doesn't bother me so much; it's more the problems in recruiting people to take the survey by posting on a videogame forum.

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  • DanHibikiDanHibiki Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    matisyahu wrote: »
    Whenever these things pop up I always feel bad that the higher limit for "how many hours do you play per week" is well below the amount of time I play per week.

    This.

    That question was Per Week?! Shit I thought it was per day!

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It was per day.
    Except that the back half of the survey (before the mini-psychoanalysis bit) tries really hard to find nicotine in videogames.
    I didn't answer any questions about nicotine, so I'm curious why you think this, unless you're just saying that he's comparing videogames to nicotine in their addictive qualities somehow, which I also don't really see, but it's more of a possibility.

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  • sanstodosanstodo Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I found the questions kind of silly. Have I had shaking in my limbs during the past 7 days? Yeah, because I was working out a little more than I normally do. It doesn't take many factors into account; they don't really control for much of anything so I think that any "conclusions" that they could draw from this info would be completely useless.

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  • RocketSauceRocketSauce Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Does a study really need to be done to determine that video games can potentially be addictive? I think this has been known for a long time. I guess they're really trying to push for inclusion in the DSM IV when it comes out again in 2012.

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  • zeenyzeeny Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    No, it doesn't. Read his interview.

    I did. And I believe that at least half the question were trying to redefine "excessive use" as addiction.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The content of the survey doesn't bother me so much; it's more the problems in recruiting people to take the survey by posting on a videogame forum.

    Shit, when I do my research, finding participants is like pulling teeth. This is likely on of many, many outlets he's using to gather participants.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Does a study really need to be done to determine that video games can potentially be addictive? I think this has been known for a long time. I guess they're really trying to push for inclusion in the DSM IV when it comes out again in 2012.

    Personally I think the DSM just needs to put Addiction as a disorder, and have it open as to what the addiction is to -- similar to the way they have Specific Phobia in there now, because there are too many phobias to list individually. Anything can become psychologically addictive.

    Sure, some people are addicted to video games, lots aren't. Some people are addicted to eating, some are addicted to exercise, some to the internet, tv, whatever. That doesn't make any of those things inherently bad.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    The lack of investigation into anything that could be termed as motivation remains conspicuous. Why only look for correlations? To the people who know the difference between correlation and causation correlations alone don't really tell anything. To the people who don't, they're causation. And I don't see how you couldn't run the same survey with all references to videogames replaced with music and find even crazier correlations.

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  • Wonder_HippieWonder_Hippie __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Correlational research is often preliminary. Experimentation is, of course, harder to accomplish. Correlation can also be used to boil down what may or may not be significant for future experimental research.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The problem usually comes from either A) scientists who aren't very good at what they do spinning correlational results as causation or B) a perfectly reasonable correlational paper being picked up by the media and touted as casuation, even though there's no such claim in the paper.

    I think B is a more prevalent problem than A. The public at large doesn't understand that correlation is not causation, and they hear something on the news about a correlation between the increase in local hippo populations and increases in the number of dogs disappearing and they assume the hippos are killing the dogs.

    In this particular case it's hard to say what the experimenter's agenda is because those are the same kind of survey questions you'd ask if you were trying to say that there were no negative addictive effects from videogames.

    Though I pretty much can't stand survey research -- especially internet surveys -- because they have quite a few drawbacks.

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