The Final Crisis Thread

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    No, you're right about 52 moving along and Countdown not.

    It might have to do with the fact that Paul Dini predominantly writes one-shot stories, whether they be single episodes of a TV show or single issues of a comic book.

    I mean, yeah, those are great, but Countdown could easily have been compressed into an 8 issue mini-series and done the same exact thing

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  • DouglasDangerDouglasDanger PennsylvaniaRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I may follow this. I loved 7S and am interested in the New Gods.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Countdown really seems to have nothing to do with this, thus the necessity of DC Universe #0.

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  • selderaneselderane Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Keith wrote: »
    52 is unarguably better than Countdown in every way

    Using your post as evidence, I have concluded that you are retarded.

    I didn't insult you so I don't know why you felt the need to do the same with me. So, using that as evidence I've concluded you're someone not worth listening to.

    As for 52 - About halfway though I stopped reading it because, from week to week, nothing was happening. Maybe it got better, I don't know, but I've been consistantly entertained with Countdown.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Wait

    you dropped 52 because nothing was happening and yet you liked Countdown?

    52 was paced way better.

    Are you sure you dont have the two confused

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  • RingoRingo HE KEEPS REPEATING THE LINE I'M GONNA CRY BLEASE LET HIM LIVE YOU MADE ME WATCH SO MUCH KISSING IN THIS FILM LET INIGO LIVERegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I seem to recall a lot of people here bemoaning the lack of anything happening in 52 for weeks at a time. The only difference is that the Supernova and Black Adam stories actually went somewhere whenever they were featured.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Ringo wrote: »
    I seem to recall a lot of people here bemoaning the lack of anything happening in 52 for weeks at a time. The only difference is that the Supernova and Black Adam stories actually went somewhere whenever they were featured.

    Oh, there were weeks when nothing happened, yeah

    Except with countdown it was the first 10 months where nothing happened

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    selderane wrote: »
    Keith wrote: »
    52 is unarguably better than Countdown in every way

    Using your post as evidence, I have concluded that you are retarded.

    I didn't insult you so I don't know why you felt the need to do the same with me. So, using that as evidence I've concluded you're someone not worth listening to.

    Someone's got to start the insults

    Besides, my opinions are the best opinions.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    At least 52 had awesome covers. 52 awesome covers, to be exact.

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  • DMACDMAC Moderator mod
    edited March 2008
    52 was interesting enough just for the novelty of a weekly comic spanning the DCU and the whole "missing year" concept but there was still A LOT of fat there that could have been trimmed. I often felt like a month's four issues could easily have been condensed into one without losing much.

    Countdown lost me pretty early.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    yeah, as slow as 52 was, i enjoyed it enough to keep reading it. and the covers were almost worth buying themselves.

    pretty much the complete opposite of countdown.

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  • WildcatWildcat Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I read the end of 52 in singles and the entire thing in trades - I've been dipping in and out of Countdown as it has progressed. Taking them both on story value alone 52 kicks Countdown all over the pitch.

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  • LuxLux Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    While there were times 52 frustrated us because nothing happened, it was because we engaged in the story and wanted to know what was going on. We were eagerly anticipating Supernova's identity, the mysterious figure behind Ralph Dibny's breakdown, and what was up with this whole Crime Bible business.

    In Countdown, I'm frustrated that nothing is happening because none of it is interesting. Plus, their pay offs come way too late. Look at Black Adam's arc -- All kinds of shit happens. If it were in Countdown, issues 1 through 30 would be him being violent, and issues 31 through 50 would be him falling in love with Isis, and then, I don't know, Earth-5.9 blows up.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Not 5.9!

    (it's where I keep all my stuff)

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  • ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I hope that Prime and Monarch show up at some point....it'd be pretty silly that the explosion killed both of them.

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  • Bad KarmaBad Karma Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I hope that Prime and Monarch show up at some point....it'd be pretty silly that the explosion killed both of them.


    Prime will be back in a book written by Johns that at the time of the announcement he wasn't writing. That book was most likely DC Universe #0, but you never know. And it's been said that Monarch will have one more appearance in Countdown, so a Final Crisis appearance is unlikely.

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Lux wrote: »
    While there were times 52 frustrated us because nothing happened, it was because we engaged in the story and wanted to know what was going on. We were eagerly anticipating Supernova's identity, the mysterious figure behind Ralph Dibny's breakdown, and what was up with this whole Crime Bible business.

    In Countdown, I'm frustrated that nothing is happening because none of it is interesting. Plus, their pay offs come way too late. Look at Black Adam's arc -- All kinds of shit happens. If it were in Countdown, issues 1 through 30 would be him being violent, and issues 31 through 50 would be him falling in love with Isis, and then, I don't know, Earth-5.9 blows up.

    I agree with you, and on top of it all, I'd say that 52 is maybe one of the best superhero stories of the past several years, at least that I've read. To even think of comparing it to Countdown is almost laughable.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator mod
    edited March 2008
    I think 52 had some dull storylines (Montoya, for one) and had parts that I don't think worked at all (Ralph's final confrontation) but for the most part, it was good. It moved a lot better than Countdown, and did most of what they said it would do. Half the time Countdown seems like an advertisement for some other DC book, and the rest of it isn't really that interesting to make up for it.

    But that's really beside the point of whether or not Final Crisis will be good, since that team doesn't really have any effect on what happens in Final Crisis.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    the only good thing countdown had going for it was trickster and piper, and they fucking blew it.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Nogs wrote: »
    the only good thing countdown had going for it was trickster and piper, and they fucking blew it.
    Uh, so to speak.

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  • ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User
    edited March 2008
    I like the new ads showing up for Final Crisis in DC books with 'The Day Evil Won' in big text and what looks to be Darkseid's eyes. Maybe he'll be visiting other people's couches. Heh.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Nogs wrote: »
    the only good thing countdown had going for it was trickster and piper, and they fucking blew it.
    What'd they do now? I stopped reading Countdown a long, long time ago, but followed them a bit from the corner of my eye.

    I know up to Trickster's...uh..."headache."

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Blackjack wrote: »
    Nogs wrote: »
    the only good thing countdown had going for it was trickster and piper, and they fucking blew it.
    What'd they do now? I stopped reading Countdown a long, long time ago, but followed them a bit from the corner of my eye.

    I know up to Trickster's...uh..."headache."

    they fucking killed trickster and had piper wander around the desert with only tricker's hand to keep him company. it was the worst fucking thing.

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  • BlackjackBlackjack Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I knew that bit. Is that the last that's been seen of them?

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    oh and piper has the anti-life equation or something and blows up apokolips. that was kinda cool i guess. but the thing they had going with trickster and piper together was fucking awesome, and they just threw it into the shitter for no good reason.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm still undecided on buying this.
    On one hand I have no idea what's going on.
    On the other hand, it's a Crisis and that means that shit will most likely be changing and it would be nice to know what happened to cause everything to change.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    the verdict is you should buy Secret Invasion instead

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  • Bloods EndBloods End Blade of Tyshalle Punch dimensionRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Every single thing that Morrison and Jones have said is no major reboots no explaining anything major just a big story.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Oh
    Well screw it then.

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    That doesn't mean that there won't be important changes in the DCU though. And if you don't know what's going on, just pick up DC Universe 0 when it comes out.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Lol! wrote: »
    Oh
    Well screw it then.

    screw it because it's not going to change stuff that already happened?

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    If it's not going to be making any big changes that I need to understand
    And I'm not going to understand the story beyond what's in DC Universe #0
    Screw it
    I'll read something where I understand the background and such.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It's going to change the DCU

    it's just not rewriting things.

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  • Sars_BoySars_Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    no it's okay wiggin

    don't read it

    don't even talk about it

    just avoid the whole event all together, including this thread

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  • manaleak34manaleak34 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Does it really need to change the DCU to make it a good comic series?

    I'm mostly buying it because I know Grant can write a damn good comic book story.

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I mean

    Grant Morrison is maybe my favorite comic writer so I will probably slather my love ointment all over this series

    But, you know, some changes in the universe after a year-long shitfest of an event would be nice.

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  • Garlic BreadGarlic Bread Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    It will change the universe

    It's just not a reboot/retconning event like CoIE and IC

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  • ZeromusZeromus Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Man I know it will

    I'm just saying

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  • jkylefultonjkylefulton Squid...or Kid? NNID - majpellRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Keith wrote: »
    It will change the universe

    It's just not a reboot/retconning event like CoIE and IC

    That's what they said about COSMIC ODYSSEY. And MILLENIUM. And LEGENDS. And INVASION!. And ZERO HOUR. And BLOODLINES.

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  • ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User
    edited March 2008
    Well Millenium, Legends, and Invasion were all pretty good. I can't speak for the rest as I haven't read them.

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