the mantle/hero being multiple people. flash, blue beetle, captain marvel family, batman's family, green arrow family, jsa teaching the jla, the green lanterns, that sort of thing
I kind of feel like the DC = LEGACIES thing is overplayed though. It works with some characters, but to view everyone as disposable and ripe for replacement seems asinine. Why get attached to Jaime Reyes when he'll probably die in a decade and get replaced by someone else?
Like, did we need a new Black Condor, Doll Man, or Human Bomb? The old ones were plenty cool, and could have easily been rejiggered to be even cooler.
Eh, I dunno. Outside of the Flashes, the Green Lanterns, the Starmen, and a few others, all the legacies just seem to water down characters and make them feel cheap.
But the aspects of the new versions that I do like don't seem to have been present in the original incarnations, so I don't think I'd like those older characters as much.
Well there you go. Human Bomb had a really great story during Our Worlds at War, where he led a doomed mission with the Guardian, leading a few soldier grunts into a hopeless fight. It was one of the few things that redeemed that shitty, shitty event. Phantom Lady was a supporting cast member in both Flash and Starman. Black Condor had his own series by Rags Morales and Brian Augustyn, and again, appeared in Starman off and on. They had a lot of history and story in them.
I'd have rather seen those characters shined up and given a new coat of paint, rather than offhandedly killed so Graymiotti could crib some shit from Grant Morrison for a few mini-series. To me, DC's tradition of legacy just seems lazy more often than not. I feel like, when you've gone through four Phantom Ladies, you're just not trying hard enough to make the concept work.
Am I the only one that thinks this book is barely coherent? It's like Batman R.I.P., where it seems like Morrison's just throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Maybe it's just his writing style. I don't know, it just seems like the characters talk kind of weird and things just seem kind of disjointed and rushed.
It's not really the overall story that I'm not feeling; it's just that none of it seems to make sense in Final Crisis itself. I like the spinoff issues better than the main book.
The last issue was a lot more coherent than they have been. It basically just focused on the heroes' defence and Turpin gradually being taken over by Darkseid, which made it feel a lot more structured. I agree previous issues have been kind of all over the place. My main issue with it is that it's just so dense, and since I don't normally follow DC much I don't know who all the characters are and I feel like I'm missing the significance of some things. I'm still enjoying it though.
One thing I didn't understand was
how Barry seemed to be able to cure Iris of the anti-life infection? By kissing her? And the whole mister miracle thing kind of passed me by as well.
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The last issue was a lot more coherent than they have been. It basically just focused on the heroes' defence and Turpin gradually being taken over by Darkseid, which made it feel a lot more structured. I agree previous issues have been kind of all over the place. My main issue with it is that it's just so dense, and since I don't normally follow DC much I don't know who all the characters are and I feel like I'm missing the significance of some things. I'm still enjoying it though.
One thing I didn't understand was
how Barry seemed to be able to cure Iris of the anti-life infection? By kissing her? And the whole mister miracle thing kind of passed me by as well.
He did it by
using the Speedforce. Throughout Final Crisis and all the tie-ins, it has been repeatedly mentioned that the Flashes are the key to the whole affair, which makes sense given their time-traveling/dimension hopping abilities. They are able the pierce and traverse the bleed between dimensions. And maybe the Speedforce works an an anti-anti-life formula (or just life).
I think, maybe, they need Barry and Bart Allen to kick Darkseid's ass. The whole complete set, as it were.
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The theory I've heard is that the Speed Force is the force of change or evolution to oppose the Anti-Life Equation, the force of stagnation.
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I kind of feel like the DC = LEGACIES thing is overplayed though. It works with some characters, but to view everyone as disposable and ripe for replacement seems asinine. Why get attached to Jaime Reyes when he'll probably die in a decade and get replaced by someone else?
Like, did we need a new Black Condor, Doll Man, or Human Bomb? The old ones were plenty cool, and could have easily been rejiggered to be even cooler.
Eh, I dunno. Outside of the Flashes, the Green Lanterns, the Starmen, and a few others, all the legacies just seem to water down characters and make them feel cheap.
I've got to agree. Instead of creating new characters, it really seems like DC just cracks open their book of trademarks and picks one. I mean really, did we need a new El Diablo? They couldn't come up with a new character instead?
Btw, does anyone have the address for that blog that's been analyzing Final Crisis issues? The first couple were really good.
A number of blogs are doing annotations, but the best I've seen is by Douglas Wolk, who wrote the excellent book "Reading Comics." http://finalcrisisannotations.blogspot.com/
The theory I've heard is that the Speed Force is the force of change or evolution to oppose the Anti-Life Equation, the force of stagnation.
...I don't think I'm smart enough to read FC. How do I keep missing these things?
Well, it didn't occur to me either. It was a friend of mine who suggested it. I just picked up on it because I thought it made sense - looking back, evolution vs. stagnation/extinction has been the theme, or at least a theme, of almost every Morrison superhero comic since Doom Patrol, and Invisibles to boot, but it's not always front and center the way it was in New X-Men.
The theory I've heard is that the Speed Force is the force of change or evolution to oppose the Anti-Life Equation, the force of stagnation.
I thought it had something to do with why Barry came back.
like maybe he had been changed to counter Anti-Life
I thought it was just plain old love. The Anti-Life Equation is supposed to be mathematical proof of the futility of existence, so I thought this would be the one time that the old love cliche would be appropriate.
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What do you mean by Legacy?
Characters taking up the mantle of their predecessors
I remember when I though Final Crisis would be the savior of DC Comics
now I just kind of think of it as a cool story that probably won't change much in the long run
man as long as its a good story, that should be the most important thing
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I kind of feel like the DC = LEGACIES thing is overplayed though. It works with some characters, but to view everyone as disposable and ripe for replacement seems asinine. Why get attached to Jaime Reyes when he'll probably die in a decade and get replaced by someone else?
Like, did we need a new Black Condor, Doll Man, or Human Bomb? The old ones were plenty cool, and could have easily been rejiggered to be even cooler.
Eh, I dunno. Outside of the Flashes, the Green Lanterns, the Starmen, and a few others, all the legacies just seem to water down characters and make them feel cheap.
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But the aspects of the new versions that I do like don't seem to have been present in the original incarnations, so I don't think I'd like those older characters as much.
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I'd have rather seen those characters shined up and given a new coat of paint, rather than offhandedly killed so Graymiotti could crib some shit from Grant Morrison for a few mini-series. To me, DC's tradition of legacy just seems lazy more often than not. I feel like, when you've gone through four Phantom Ladies, you're just not trying hard enough to make the concept work.
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Am I the only one that thinks this book is barely coherent? It's like Batman R.I.P., where it seems like Morrison's just throwing a bunch of stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Maybe it's just his writing style. I don't know, it just seems like the characters talk kind of weird and things just seem kind of disjointed and rushed.
It's not really the overall story that I'm not feeling; it's just that none of it seems to make sense in Final Crisis itself. I like the spinoff issues better than the main book.
One thing I didn't understand was
"And this is his sofa, is it?" said Arthur.
He did it by
I think, maybe, they need Barry and Bart Allen to kick Darkseid's ass. The whole complete set, as it were.
...I don't think I'm smart enough to read FC. How do I keep missing these things?
It's like her greatest best dream come true and I'm pretty sure that's strong enough to break some silly equation.
like maybe he had been changed to counter Anti-Life
Slow-Bo talks in caps, Sars.
THE TOP TEEN TALKS IN CAPS WHENEVER HE FRAGGIN' PLEASES, BASTICH
NEXT TIME YOU CAN SAY THAT TO MY FRAGGIN' FACE
Why do I read this like the Mooninites from ATHF talk?
I've got to agree. Instead of creating new characters, it really seems like DC just cracks open their book of trademarks and picks one. I mean really, did we need a new El Diablo? They couldn't come up with a new character instead?
Btw, does anyone have the address for that blog that's been analyzing Final Crisis issues? The first couple were really good.
Well, it didn't occur to me either. It was a friend of mine who suggested it. I just picked up on it because I thought it made sense - looking back, evolution vs. stagnation/extinction has been the theme, or at least a theme, of almost every Morrison superhero comic since Doom Patrol, and Invisibles to boot, but it's not always front and center the way it was in New X-Men.
What? No she's not
That's why I brought it up, it seems like no one noticed this
In my timeline post from a few days ago, I placed Revelations #1-5 as taking place during the one-month gap because of Montoya's appearance in FC#4.
Ah ha
I just realized that L3W #5 hasn't been solicited yet, so it probably ships in February. Delays or purposeful I wonder.