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Which has a better sense of humor? Old Sam and Max? New?
Now I've only played the first season of the new installment so if the new season is drastically different this may be moot. I'm inclined to think that the Sam and Max: HTR is just a little bit more mature than the new episodes. Now when I say mature I don't mean adult humor or anything like that. I just mean that the writing wasn't as lazy as these new ones seem to be. Now, I do like some of the first episodes. When they satirize popular TV shows is really great, Bosco's (some of them) turns as different characters can be funny but they go to a lot of same comedic wells alot.
I don't care how funny it was the first time but using big words for big words sake isn't funny unless there's more to it. The sly wink and nod that you probably know what these words mean doesn't go very far. Same with Non-sequitor pop-culture references. It's not as bad as the Family Guy but it's just as lazy.
I'm not saying that S&M:HTR was the pinnacle of comedic writing but I just think that I'd rather play through it again than trying the second season out. Unless they're just much better. Has anyone tried them out? Any thoughts?
HTR had better writing, but there was very little of it. This is always something I didn't like about the game; you couldn't examine as many things as you could in, say, Monkey Island. Most of the humour comes from story progression, puzzles and events, and compared to the new games, there just isn't that much dialogue. But the dialogue it has is generally better, and performed by more talented voice actors (not that the ones in Seasons are bad). HTR also has much better setpieces, but that's to be expected since you travel all around the country.
But my main problem with the original game is that it just isn't very consistent. I mean, I can play through it and have a wonderful time, but aside from the main villain, it's practically devoid of any worthwhile NPCs; the whole yeti story is complete garbage and doesn't add anything to the comedy; the game isn't very long and the puzzles are easy; the first half of the game is far better than the second, etc. It's definitely more about the experience than the result.
The new series has much more throwaway humour that generally isn't as well-thought out. This doesn't mean it's not funny, though, and there are definitely some great jokes in there. But you can clearly tell it's made by a different team, even though Steve Purcell is involved. The new games aren't as absurd or as comedically violent, and rely more on pop-culture references and establishing familiarity with the universe. That's not to say it doesn't have those things, they're just scaled back. Honestly, I think the series benefits a lot from having played one chapter each month, rather than all at once - this is one time where the episodic releases work in the games' favour, because I can easily see how you can become sick and tired of the same characters and locations having played through all 6 episodes in sequence. They are more effective with moderation and taken at a slower pace.
In any case, chances are if you love the old games, and Lucasarts adventures in general, you're going to find something to enjoy in the new seasons. Even if the humour doesn't hit the mark as much as in the old games, there is a whole lot more of it, which means that there's also more stupid stuff (like the Soda Poppers). But it's still very likely that you'll find at least some of the episodes to be worth your time, especially since they all deal with a completely different assortment of topics; episode 5, for instance, revolves around internet culture and classic games. Even though the games feature Sam & Max, they're basically a pastiche of every Lucasarts adventure game in existence, and as a loveletter to fans of that genre, they generally work wonders. It's easy to find faults in the writing or the characters, but they're still the finest comedy games being made today, and worth playing if you loved the original or other Lucasarts titles.
They are different but there's room enough for both of them.
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cj iwakuraThe Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered Userregular
edited March 2008
The Seasons aren't as consistently funny as HTR, but when it hits a note, it hits it well(the Psychiatrist/Tabloid/Dating Service/etc. girl, namely).
Abe Lincoln Must Die! has the best double meaning episode title ever.
I still haven't finished it, but if the episodes get better from #4, I have high hopes.
The Seasons aren't as consistently funny as HTR, but when it hits a note, it hits it well(the Psychiatrist/Tabloid/Dating Service/etc. girl, namely).
Abe Lincoln Must Die! has the best double meaning episode title ever.
I still haven't finished it, but if the episodes get better from #4, I have high hopes.
Episode 5 is as good if not better than 4 and 6 while still better than 1-3 is not as good as 4 and 5
And Season 2 is all very good in my opinion except for episode 2
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NocrenLt Futz, Back in ActionNorth CarolinaRegistered Userregular
edited March 2008
I have to say that maybe it's because of the source material, but whichever one had the Internet 2.0 plot was my favorite for the writing.
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freakish lightbutterdick jonesand his heavenly asshole machineRegistered Userregular
edited March 2008
The newest one from Season 2 (I know I'm jumping a little) is by far my favorite Sam & Max episode yet. I won't spoil it for anybody who hasn't played it yet, but there's a part about 3/4 of the way through that practically had me in hysterics.
When Sam & Max from the past shows up and Sam pauses before he makes a decision, and then starts saying ridiculous adventure game related things... best moment ever. Also the fact that old Sam would say things (I think) out of Hit the Road... sooo good.
HTR had better writing, but there was very little of it. This is always something I didn't like about the game; you couldn't examine as many things as you could in, say, Monkey Island. Most of the humour comes from story progression, puzzles and events, and compared to the new games, there just isn't that much dialogue....
They are different but there's room enough for both of them.
Excellent analysis. I had planned on doing the same thing with Season 2 that I had with Season 1 maybe I'll give the episodic nature a real go.
You're absolutely right about HtR it's like, once you get to a certain point in the game it just stops being incredibly funny. I remember the first time I played through it and the bigfoot party at the end was just a bore to go through with a really unsatisfying puzzle to get Conroy et al.
The newest one from Season 2 (I know I'm jumping a little) is by far my favorite Sam & Max episode yet. I won't spoil it for anybody who hasn't played it yet, but there's a part about 3/4 of the way through that practically had me in hysterics.
When Sam & Max from the past shows up and Sam pauses before he makes a decision, and then starts saying ridiculous adventure game related things... best moment ever. Also the fact that old Sam would say things (I think) out of Hit the Road... sooo good.
Cool, that's what I've been generally hearing is that Season 2 is bit funnier than the first season. I'm just glad that the first season wasn't a complete bust and that we're still seeing Sam and Max content. They're great characters!
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But my main problem with the original game is that it just isn't very consistent. I mean, I can play through it and have a wonderful time, but aside from the main villain, it's practically devoid of any worthwhile NPCs; the whole yeti story is complete garbage and doesn't add anything to the comedy; the game isn't very long and the puzzles are easy; the first half of the game is far better than the second, etc. It's definitely more about the experience than the result.
The new series has much more throwaway humour that generally isn't as well-thought out. This doesn't mean it's not funny, though, and there are definitely some great jokes in there. But you can clearly tell it's made by a different team, even though Steve Purcell is involved. The new games aren't as absurd or as comedically violent, and rely more on pop-culture references and establishing familiarity with the universe. That's not to say it doesn't have those things, they're just scaled back. Honestly, I think the series benefits a lot from having played one chapter each month, rather than all at once - this is one time where the episodic releases work in the games' favour, because I can easily see how you can become sick and tired of the same characters and locations having played through all 6 episodes in sequence. They are more effective with moderation and taken at a slower pace.
In any case, chances are if you love the old games, and Lucasarts adventures in general, you're going to find something to enjoy in the new seasons. Even if the humour doesn't hit the mark as much as in the old games, there is a whole lot more of it, which means that there's also more stupid stuff (like the Soda Poppers). But it's still very likely that you'll find at least some of the episodes to be worth your time, especially since they all deal with a completely different assortment of topics; episode 5, for instance, revolves around internet culture and classic games. Even though the games feature Sam & Max, they're basically a pastiche of every Lucasarts adventure game in existence, and as a loveletter to fans of that genre, they generally work wonders. It's easy to find faults in the writing or the characters, but they're still the finest comedy games being made today, and worth playing if you loved the original or other Lucasarts titles.
They are different but there's room enough for both of them.
Abe Lincoln Must Die! has the best double meaning episode title ever.
I still haven't finished it, but if the episodes get better from #4, I have high hopes.
Episode 5 is as good if not better than 4 and 6 while still better than 1-3 is not as good as 4 and 5
And Season 2 is all very good in my opinion except for episode 2
Excellent analysis. I had planned on doing the same thing with Season 2 that I had with Season 1 maybe I'll give the episodic nature a real go.
You're absolutely right about HtR it's like, once you get to a certain point in the game it just stops being incredibly funny. I remember the first time I played through it and the bigfoot party at the end was just a bore to go through with a really unsatisfying puzzle to get Conroy et al.
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Cool, that's what I've been generally hearing is that Season 2 is bit funnier than the first season. I'm just glad that the first season wasn't a complete bust and that we're still seeing Sam and Max content. They're great characters!
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