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If you could record your life...

electricitylikesmeelectricitylikesme Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
...how much of it would you?

Now I think this is a more complicated question then it seems at first glance, because when I say record I'm not referring to a big brother style "camera following you around" idea. Perhaps far from it. What I am referring to is personal information you keep about yourself - on my computer I have a lot of photos, every bit of literature I've ever written on PC (more or less), my entire music collection (more then 3/4's I probably never listen to). In a word - a lot of information or media content which I feel defines who I am in varying amounts.

Across the internet, if I vanity search, I can actually find usenet posts I made back when I was about 12. I can search my entire forum history here. See my views change and evolve with time and interaction.

This is probably but a fraction of the deluge which is my digital fingerprint on the world and yet I find myself thinking: is this enough? The older I get the less I delete. "My Documents" grows and moves from PC to PC and more recently I've started getting a bit more paranoid about backing it up.

It is perhaps fortunate that data storage is getting cheaper because between camera phones and social networking the amount of information we're all keeping about ourselves, to me, seems to be getting ever larger and we're accepting ever less loss of fidelity about it.

And so, my stimulus question for this thread is: given how much of our lives we try to store already, where would you draw the line? If you could record everything - feed your synapses into a mainframe and have permanent recollection of every moment you ever lived - would you? And if not, where for you is the line comfortable. What do you need or feel is important in order to be able to know yourself, see how you've changed? How big would the hard drive which holds your life need to be?

tl;dr See the last paragraph just above.

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  • Dublo7Dublo7 Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    My life would make the most boring book/movie/TV show in history.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'd store everything. As long as I wouldn't have to look at it unless I really wanted to. :?

    I mean, you never know when it might come in handy. Often I'm trying to tell a story, but i forgot some details, wouldn't it be useful to just dig up the file and read up on it again? But it's usually not something I'd want to be confronted with again. Fuck, I've been trying to stop think about a lot of stupid shit I did. Last thing I want would be to have that pop up on a random tracklist or something.

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  • matisyahumatisyahu Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I would store nothing if I could, as I do not want to risk leaving behind any evidence. So many skeletons..

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I would store only the good bits, the important bits, and the firsts

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Interesting topic.



    I wouldn't care if everything were recorded as the person I was once is not at all the person I am now. But...other people don't think that way and absolutely judge you based on your past. For that reason, the idea of having my entire life searchable and thus analyzable to such a degree kind of frightens me.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator, Administrator admin
    edited March 2008
    If I can't remember it it probably wasn't worth recording anyway.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm not sure I get why I would want my life recorded? It's not like there's a market for it, and if there were I don't think I'd see it as worth giving up my life for because then what good is the money?

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I'm not sure I get why I would want my life recorded? It's not like there's a market for it, and if there were I don't think I'd see it as worth giving up my life for because then what good is the money?
    You never wanted to look back at something you did?

    The OP has nothing on selling your memories or whatever. :|

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    But if it was secure - let's say it's encrypted or whatever (which is quite doable these days) - would you want to have perfect fidelity when you look back at yourself?

    In a hypothetical sense, if there was 100% security with a literal, absolute 0% chance of leakage, then my answer is an unequivocal yes.

    Unfortunately, even if it were possible to record my life in such a way, such security is impossible. I would love to have access to what I've seen, felt, and experienced with perfect clarity and recollection. I would not at all want anyone else to have access to that, even mundane things.

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  • ViolentChemistryViolentChemistry __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Aldo wrote: »
    I'm not sure I get why I would want my life recorded? It's not like there's a market for it, and if there were I don't think I'd see it as worth giving up my life for because then what good is the money?
    You never wanted to look back at something you did?

    Only until I did it.

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Nostalgia is overrated.
    In other words, I would record nothing.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Recording your life to this degree doesn't imply you are going to drown yourself in nostalgia. It just means you have the ability to look stuff up. I fail to see how a (hypothetically) personal record is a bad thing unless you have the kind of personality with which you dwell on your past too often. Then, this could be a big detriment. Otherwise, more information at your disposal is usually better than less information at your disposal, isn't it?

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  • PicardathonPicardathon Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Recording your life to this degree doesn't imply you are going to drown yourself in nostalgia. It just means you have the ability to look stuff up. I fail to see how a (hypothetically) personal record is a bad thing unless you have the kind of personality with which you dwell on your past too often. Then, this could be a big detriment. Otherwise, more information at your disposal is usually better than less information at your disposal, isn't it?

    I do dwell upon the embarrassing and or stupid things I did in my past.
    Any record I would want would end when I started to talk.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited March 2008
    Yeah, I'd want such a record. Wouldn't mean I ever had to use it, but it would come in handy if I did.

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  • TarantioTarantio Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    In one of my classes freshman year, one guy did a project on a similar prospect, calling it Total Recall. The idea is that, eventually, the technology will be available to record everything you see, hear, or read- and to search through that audio, video or text at a moment's notice. We can't do this comfortably yet, and I don't think video recognition software is yet strong enough that it can recognize and remember whatever you were looking at, but it's all theoretically possible, and probably more likely than personal jetpacks.

    I could see this being extremely practical, if the search algorithms get effective enough. Just look up anything you don't remember, and it's all there. Even aside from nostalgic purposes, the potential uses are really staggering.

    I think I'd want it, though I'd want to make sure privacy and security were maintained. And that the records could be destroyed if privacy/security ever were breached.

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  • JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Echo wrote: »
    If I can't remember it it probably wasn't worth recording anyway.

    word.

    And whoever said they would record firsts, firsts are overrated.

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  • HacksawHacksaw J. Duggan Esq. Wrestler at LawRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Record your memory a la The Final Cut? Sign me up.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Hacksaw wrote: »
    Record your memory a la Strange Days? Sign me up.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    But if it was secure - let's say it's encrypted or whatever (which is quite doable these days) - would you want to have perfect fidelity when you look back at yourself?

    If I understand this right, recording your life is like The Truman Show except only you can view your own footage. If it's perfect playback and you don't get to edit the parts you don't like, wouldn't that make one feel like God/the panopticon/Big Brother is always watching? You might second guess yourself a lot more if you believed a perfect fidelity was on record, even if you alone were the audience. It'd change your whole social personality to be aware eyes are on you all the time - you are your own toughest critic, right?

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    emnmnme wrote: »
    But if it was secure - let's say it's encrypted or whatever (which is quite doable these days) - would you want to have perfect fidelity when you look back at yourself?

    If I understand this right, recording your life is like The Truman Show except only you can view your own footage. If it's perfect playback and you don't get to edit the parts you don't like, wouldn't that make one feel like God/the panopticon/Big Brother is always watching? You might second guess yourself a lot more if you believed a perfect fidelity was on record, even if you alone were the audience. It'd change your whole social personality to be aware eyes are on you all the time - you are your own toughest critic, right?

    I think the potential audience is a very significant factor in how this affects your personality. I don't agree that if you are the sole audience for these recordings it would have a significant impact on the social psychology of many, maybe most people. Some would dwell on it, or use it as a crutch, or get lost in the past, or go monkeying around like a voyeur, or whatever, but I think most people would just keep their memories filed away the same way they do now. I may not have total recall right now but I have a pretty good memory. I don't sit here accessing all of it all the time. I don't think the promise of perfect clarity would lure me to do so, either.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I wonder why people would want to record their past. I'm not dismissing the idea, but it seems quite self-centered to me.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    I wonder why people would want to record their past. I'm not dismissing the idea, but it seems quite self-centered to me.

    The brain already records the past, in a way. This is merely a discussion on whether or not we'd want a more thorough, better detailed, and more easily-accessible record.

    But you're right. It is "quite self-centered" as are a majority of the actions human beings partake in. So what?

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Podly wrote: »
    I wonder why people would want to record their past. I'm not dismissing the idea, but it seems quite self-centered to me.

    The brain already records the past, in a way. This is merely a discussion on whether or not we'd want a more thorough, better detailed, and more easily-accessible record.

    But you're right. It is "quite self-centered" as are a majority of the actions human beings partake in. So what?

    Well that introduces an interesting notion of "the past." Your brian doesn't record the "past." Your brain recalls past presents through the present. The manner of transcription as told by ELM in the OP sounds to be quite different from this -- you yourself are actually recorded and stored as a veritable simulacrum.

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  • emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    But if it was secure - let's say it's encrypted or whatever (which is quite doable these days) - would you want to have perfect fidelity when you look back at yourself?

    If I understand this right, recording your life is like The Truman Show except only you can view your own footage. If it's perfect playback and you don't get to edit the parts you don't like, wouldn't that make one feel like God/the panopticon/Big Brother is always watching? You might second guess yourself a lot more if you believed a perfect fidelity was on record, even if you alone were the audience. It'd change your whole social personality to be aware eyes are on you all the time - you are your own toughest critic, right?

    I think the potential audience is a very significant factor in how this affects your personality. I don't agree that if you are the sole audience for these recordings it would have a significant impact on the social psychology of many, maybe most people. Some would dwell on it, or use it as a crutch, or get lost in the past, or go monkeying around like a voyeur, or whatever, but I think most people would just keep their memories filed away the same way they do now. I may not have total recall right now but I have a pretty good memory. I don't sit here accessing all of it all the time. I don't think the promise of perfect clarity would lure me to do so, either.

    What happens to all this footage after you die, anyways? It'd be a shame to delete a lifetime of footage so can you leave it to someone in a will or stuff it into a time capsule?

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Podly wrote: »
    I wonder why people would want to record their past. I'm not dismissing the idea, but it seems quite self-centered to me.
    It happens automatically. Any correspondence is a recording; everything we do on the Web, &c.

    I’ve been on both sides of this. For a few years I saved only creative work and school projects, destroying any chatlogs and e-mails as soon as possible. At some point (last year, I think) I switched over, trying to save everything I could in order to have a central life reference to counterbalance my somewhat poor memory recall. This quickly proved unsustainable, because I’m too busy creating information to appropriately label and sort said information. This problem could, of course, be reduced if I had greater technical skill, but there’s only so much that can be done.

    My current approach is to save things I think might be useful—e-mail, chatlogs, bookmarks, images—in a loosely organised manner, and just rely on the Internet for the rest.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    emnmnme wrote: »
    What happens to all this footage after you die, anyways? It'd be a shame to delete a lifetime of footage so can you leave it to someone in a will or stuff it into a time capsule?
    This is an interesting point that’s been explored some in the past year after the unexpected deaths of some famous Internet people. I don’t think there was any real consensus, because even the upper edge of Web users doesn’t have any significant odds of death. It may well become an important question over time, though, depending on how things grow.

    That is to say, who knows.

    In general, I’d say that if you want it available after death, put it on the Web in a way that will hopefully stay accessible; otherwise it’s a loss. Most of what people save wouldn’t be of any real use to other people anyhow.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    I actively attempt to forget large swaths of my past, because very little of it is worth remembering.

    I don't really see much good in recording my weekend jaunts into piles of horse manure.

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I actively attempt to forget large swaths of my past, because very little of it is worth remembering.

    I don't really see much good in recording my weekend jaunts into piles of horse manure.
    Yeah, this is the other major problem. I recently went through the Wayback Machine to dig up old blog posts, and I’d be happy to have that information be destroyed forever. The things I wrote even a year ago are very D:-inducing.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    stilist wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I actively attempt to forget large swaths of my past, because very little of it is worth remembering.

    I don't really see much good in recording my weekend jaunts into piles of horse manure.
    Yeah, this is the other major problem. I recently went through the Wayback Machine to dig up old blog posts, and I’d be happy to have that information be destroyed forever. The things I wrote even a year ago are very D:-inducing.

    I still have one log someone made online that I wish I could delete simply because I don't want to have to explain it if anyone ever finds it. :P

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    stilist wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I actively attempt to forget large swaths of my past, because very little of it is worth remembering.

    I don't really see much good in recording my weekend jaunts into piles of horse manure.
    Yeah, this is the other major problem. I recently went through the Wayback Machine to dig up old blog posts, and I’d be happy to have that information be destroyed forever. The things I wrote even a year ago are very D:-inducing.

    Link?

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  • ElendilElendil Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    Considering that I can barely leave a message on an answering machine without freaking out a little, I'm-a go with "no thanks."

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  • stiliststilist Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    stilist wrote: »
    Incenjucar wrote: »
    I actively attempt to forget large swaths of my past, because very little of it is worth remembering.

    I don't really see much good in recording my weekend jaunts into piles of horse manure.
    Yeah, this is the other major problem. I recently went through the Wayback Machine to dig up old blog posts, and I’d be happy to have that information be destroyed forever. The things I wrote even a year ago are very D:-inducing.
    Link?
    Ha.

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  • DrezDrez Registered User regular
    edited March 2008
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Drez wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    But if it was secure - let's say it's encrypted or whatever (which is quite doable these days) - would you want to have perfect fidelity when you look back at yourself?

    If I understand this right, recording your life is like The Truman Show except only you can view your own footage. If it's perfect playback and you don't get to edit the parts you don't like, wouldn't that make one feel like God/the panopticon/Big Brother is always watching? You might second guess yourself a lot more if you believed a perfect fidelity was on record, even if you alone were the audience. It'd change your whole social personality to be aware eyes are on you all the time - you are your own toughest critic, right?

    I think the potential audience is a very significant factor in how this affects your personality. I don't agree that if you are the sole audience for these recordings it would have a significant impact on the social psychology of many, maybe most people. Some would dwell on it, or use it as a crutch, or get lost in the past, or go monkeying around like a voyeur, or whatever, but I think most people would just keep their memories filed away the same way they do now. I may not have total recall right now but I have a pretty good memory. I don't sit here accessing all of it all the time. I don't think the promise of perfect clarity would lure me to do so, either.

    What happens to all this footage after you die, anyways? It'd be a shame to delete a lifetime of footage so can you leave it to someone in a will or stuff it into a time capsule?

    My footage would be disseminated to the entire world and would magically cure all diseases. It would have to be cut by Scorsese, though. At least, that's what my will would suggest.

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  • DaemonionDaemonion Mountain Man USARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    A year ago I stumbled on the website FutureMe.

    Essentially, you write an email to yourself, and you select the date you want it to be sent. It can be anywhere from 1 day, to a year, to 30 years. Whatever.

    I received my one year old email from myself about two weeks ago. Over the course of 12 months, I completely forgot about the website and email. Needless to say, I was completely shocked and surprised, but it was incredible for me to completely forget about the email and then read it a year later.

    Now, I use the website to write an email to myself once a year, to be sent a year later. I will keep these archived and have a folder for them. I try to fill the email with details about what exactly I am feeling and experiencing - things I might forget.

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    When I want to bring up old memories I mostly just rummage through my piles and piles of drawings, particularly since I used to draw characters of mine when I was doing RP online, and would occasionally express my emotions through sketches rather than, say, yelling in class.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    Daemonion wrote: »
    A year ago I stumbled on the website FutureMe.

    Essentially, you write an email to yourself, and you select the date you want it to be sent. It can be anywhere from 1 day, to a year, to 30 years. Whatever.

    I received my one year old email from myself about two weeks ago. Over the course of 12 months, I completely forgot about the website and email. Needless to say, I was completely shocked and surprised, but it was incredible for me to completely forget about the email and then read it a year later.

    Now, I use the website to write an email to myself once a year, to be sent a year later. I will keep these archived and have a folder for them. I try to fill the email with details about what exactly I am feeling and experiencing - things I might forget.

    This is really cool.

    I'd only want my memories recorded for the purpose of feeding them into a clone of mine after this body dies.

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  • OboroOboro __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2008
    I would never want a perfect memory. The functions I would get from it are mirrored by misbegotten memories just as well. I can be inspired; motivated; shaken ... the veracity of a memory has no bearing on this. The method of recall has no bearing on this. The direction of the ends may be different, but the means and form of the ends remain the same.

    I go to great lengths to habitually destroy any and all physical evidence of my past. I wouldn't want there to be a concrete record of it, not for any reason, and not even of the 'best' parts.

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  • Inquisitor77Inquisitor77 2 x Penny Arcade Fight Club Champion A fixed point in space and timeRegistered User regular
    edited March 2008
    The first thing that came to my mind is - exactly how much time would you be spending using this type of tool instead of actually living your life? I could imagine some people literally getting lost in their own histories, refusing to move forward. Then there are people who don't see the allure and would never delve into their past.

    As a general rule I've manged to keep pretty much every single paper I ever wrote since high school. Suffice it to say whenever I bother to read some of them I'm struck by how much of an idiotic jackass I was when I was younger. And when I read my old college papers I have no idea what the hell I'm talking about anymore.

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