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davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Help / Advice Forum
I'm trying to build (for the first time) a website in flash for my band. The components are extremely simple, but I have little idea of where to start. I've mocked up the look of all the pages in photoshop; it's basically going to be set up like this:
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I really don't have much experience with this stuff, so really I'm looking for any help I can get, good tutorials, whatever.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Well, first off why bother with flash? What you've shown right there is easily accomplishable with HTML/CSS.

    You'd be better off learning that and setting up the website without flash.

    http://www.w3schools.com has some good HTML and CSS learning materials. This has an easy to implement method for getting rounded corners on DIV blocks (there's also an updated version with more features, but it doesn't seem to work when I use that in newish browsers whereas the older one does).

    Maybe it's just my dislike of flash and flash webpages, but unless you absolutely NEED some feature that you can only do in flash, it's best to avoid it.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, I guess the only thing I may need for flash is the music page will have a basic flash mp3 program running on it. But that can be accomplished by running the .swf file inside the html window, right? I guess my main issue is that I'm so damn unfamiliar with everything.

    Thanks for the tutorial links, though.

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  • falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, don't ever use flash unless you need some sort of active media. Flash pages are highly annoying and typically difficult to navigate.

    If you need CSS or design help, just ask.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Yeah, I was sort of sketchy on the flash decision to begin with. So fuck it.

    I'm going to try and get a few more of the basic things finished. I'm doing the layout in Photoshop CS2 and using the "save for web" function to export all the files as html and images. I'll be back with clearer questions shortly.

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    falsedef wrote: »
    Yeah, don't ever use flash unless you need some sort of active media. Flash pages are highly annoying and typically difficult to navigate.

    If you need CSS or design help, just ask.

    Only shitty ones.

    Overall, yes, you'd be wasting your time building a flash site. Flash sites are difficult to build and even more difficult to build well.

    You can lean to build it yourself, but you really could probably get away with some sort of advanced blogging account or something like that, I'm sure there's blog sites out there somewhere that allow you to embed Flash.

    Work smart, not hard.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So I've done some work, this is what the news page looks like:
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    The "back" will eventually will be a roll over button that'll take you back to the main page. The "Content for id..." part is a div tag. I'm wondering how I make the div tag fill just to the top and bottom of the err...cells(?) above and bellow it, ie the yellow background would no longer be visible. (Sorry for my terrible html/css jargon. I really am new at this.)

    I've tried adjusting the height value of the box, but that doesn't seem to work, as it either doesn't quite fill the whole thing and leaves a little dark yellow line at the top, or it pushes the cell above out of alignment.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Why is the content div that color? Just set the background color on that div to the color of the bordering image, if I'm understanding you correctly that you don't want any of the dark yellow there.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Daenris wrote: »
    Why is the content div that color? Just set the background color on that div to the color of the bordering image, if I'm understanding you correctly that you don't want any of the dark yellow there.

    That dark yellow you see is the background. The div color is matching that of the surrounding area, I just need to stretch the div so it fills in that entire spot in stead of just where there is text.

    Tthe div stretches properly to hit the sides (as seen by the area where there is text) but I want it, regardless of the text, to fill vertically as well.

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  • falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Jasconius wrote: »
    falsedef wrote: »
    Yeah, don't ever use flash unless you need some sort of active media. Flash pages are highly annoying and typically difficult to navigate.

    If you need CSS or design help, just ask.

    Only shitty ones.

    No, all of them.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Alright, update time. I've wrestled most of my issues to the ground (although that silly div problem on the news page I mentioned earlier still persists) and now I've got my website completed, save a few small things.

    Now it's time to pick an ISP and domain. Are there any sort of companies I should be looking at in particular?

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    davidbarry wrote: »
    Alright, update time. I've wrestled most of my issues to the ground (although that silly div problem on the news page I mentioned earlier still persists) and now I've got my website completed, save a few small things.

    Now it's time to pick an ISP and domain. Are there any sort of companies I should be looking at in particular?

    GoDaddy is cheap and simple, there's a huge camp of people out there for DreamHost.

    My personal recommendation/warning is to stay away from 1 and 1 hosting overall.

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  • falsedeffalsedef Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Jasconius wrote: »
    davidbarry wrote: »
    Alright, update time. I've wrestled most of my issues to the ground (although that silly div problem on the news page I mentioned earlier still persists) and now I've got my website completed, save a few small things.

    Now it's time to pick an ISP and domain. Are there any sort of companies I should be looking at in particular?

    GoDaddy is cheap and simple, there's a huge camp of people out there for DreamHost.

    My personal recommendation/warning is to stay away from 1 and 1 hosting overall.

    I've dealt with 1and1. Most of their reputation extends from their past policies to try to prevent customers from canceling . They remedied most their problems quite awhile ago. I had no problem trialing and canceling, but I haven't gone back to them.

    I've also dealt with lunarpages. I had no problems with them.

    I'm using Dreamhost at the moment. They're pretty unprofessional, but I haven't had any problems, even during their billing snafu. The good thing about Dreamhost, though, is they don't try to dime and nickle customers for their service and their documentation is pretty good. A lot of hosts will charge for services that don't cost them anything. I hate their coupons though. Sign-up coupons are plain stupid.

    I don't trust GoDaddy, after hearing from their customers. I've never used them, but their services are lacking so I wouldn't bother in the first place.

    There's holeinthewallhosting, which some other PAers will support.

    Typically for small sites, the host isn't that big of a deal. Just remember not to buy domains and hosting from the same company. You need the ability to pull your domain from the host easily if something bad goes down.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Edit: Problem solved

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I've finished the site, I've got my web host, and I've uploaded the site in its entirety to my ftp's public_html directory. Problem is, I don't know how to get my domain (www.theodarling.com) to direct to my main page in the ftp.

    That probably made little sense.

    Basically all I want is to set up the default page. The main page on my site is called "sitelayout.html, and I want www.theodarling.com to direct to that document.

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  • amateurhouramateurhour One day I'll be professionalhour The woods somewhere in TennesseeRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'll second avoiding godaddy.

    They automatically renew your services and charge you unless you specifically tell them not to, and even then it's a 50/50 shot if they do it right or not.

    Technically it's a good thing because you'll never forget to renew the domain name, but I had to go through a pretty annoying hassle to get them to refund my money when I requested a cancellation of service.

    Basically their customer support is crap. I'd try someone else.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    davidbarry wrote: »
    I've finished the site, I've got my web host, and I've uploaded the site in its entirety to my ftp's public_html directory. Problem is, I don't know how to get my domain (www.theodarling.com) to direct to my main page in the ftp.

    That probably made little sense.

    Basically all I want is to set up the default page. The main page on my site is called "sitelayout.html, and I want www.theodarling.com to direct to that document.

    who is your registrar for the domain name, and who is the host? You'll need to have the DNS records for the domain point to where your webpage resides.

    Also, you'll probably want to rename sitelayout.html to just index.html so that it loads automatically when someone access the public_html folder.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Daenris wrote: »
    davidbarry wrote: »
    I've finished the site, I've got my web host, and I've uploaded the site in its entirety to my ftp's public_html directory. Problem is, I don't know how to get my domain (www.theodarling.com) to direct to my main page in the ftp.

    That probably made little sense.

    Basically all I want is to set up the default page. The main page on my site is called "sitelayout.html, and I want www.theodarling.com to direct to that document.

    who is your registrar for the domain name, and who is the host? You'll need to have the DNS records for the domain point to where your webpage resides.

    Also, you'll probably want to rename sitelayout.html to just index.html so that it loads automatically when someone access the public_html folder.

    Okay, changed sitelayout.html to index.html and updated all the necessary links. The registrar for the domain name and the host of my site is asmallorange.com, and I'm not completely sure what you mean by dns records.

    Edit: Is this the same as changeing my domain's nameservers with my registrar? I just can't seem to find the place to do this on asmallorange's site.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Well if the registrar and host is the same, it shouldn't be a problem so there must be something else going on.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Daenris wrote: »
    Well if the registrar and host is the same, it shouldn't be a problem so there must be something else going on.

    Yeah, it turned out it was a problem on their end. Well, not really a problem. Their servers just needed apached restarted to pick up the new domain changes. All is well.

    Thanks for sticking around, Daenris. The help was appreciated.

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  • focused7focused7 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Your back link still references sitelayout.html on news and photos.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hmmm... when I go to the site I still just get a generic cPanel webpage. I have to actually manually add the /index.html at the end to view the content, so something is still not set up 100% on that, but I'm not sure what it would be as I'm not terribly familiar with using cPanel sites.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    focused7 wrote: »
    Your back link still references sitelayout.html on news and photos.

    Yeah, fixed that. Still working a lot of crap out.

    Daenis: Is it still not working for you? I've been able to get to the site by just typing www.theodarling.com.

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  • DaenrisDaenris Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Works now. Not sure what was up before.

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  • davidbarrydavidbarry Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    So, what's the basic idea behind meta tags, and what are the best ways to implement them?

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  • JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    davidbarry wrote: »
    So, what's the basic idea behind meta tags, and what are the best ways to implement them?

    Meta tags represent hidden information about a web site that various tools/agents/programs use to obtain data or information about that site.

    The most common usage is for search engines.

    There's the Meta Description, which is what Google will display in the short paragraph below your page listing, and then there's the Meta Keywords which are the keywords you want your site to compete in, in part of in whole, in search rankings.

    There's an entire art to meta keywords, but they are not the 100% only or even the 100% best way to get your site found on the internet. Site content is also heavily factored in search algorithms and is really what propels a site up in the rankings. This is one of the reasons why choosing keywords is hard.

    Example, you have a band, but your keywords cannot just be "band, rock band, rock music" and so on. They are way to broad and there's already 1 billion web sites out there about music. You have to choose a particular focus area, usually it's by location or sub genre.

    Example, if your band is in New York and you do alternative rock music then your key word would probably be "new york alternative rock" and all the possible common combinations of that phrase.

    Then your SEO competition is much lower and improves the odds of people actually finding you, because, people typing in "rock music" are not very likely to be interested in your band, but people typing in "new york alternative rock" will probably be since you very specifically match their search entry.

    There's whole books and web sites devoted to that crap. Google Webmaster Tools is an excellent place to get more info.

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  • vadoffvadoff Registered User new member
    There's holeinthewallhosting, which some other PAers will support.

    I paid for 1 year, yet I was charged without any email notification whatsoever prior to an autorenew, and without any email notification afterwards that I was charged. I would never have even caught it unless I happened to be reviewing my bank statements that day. After contacting the owner, she told me off, and said that I should have known what I was signing up for and refused to refund me. How unbelievably shady! Pass on this hosting, or you'll surely regret it like I did.

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