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PS3 + SDTV = ? (general help for next-gen newbs)

ChanceChance Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Games and Technology
Edit: This has kinda' turned into a thread for people who are not super-knowledgeable about the new generation of consoles (specifically PS3 and 360). There's been lots of questions about cables or output or audio or whatever, and so far everything's been answered. So if you're thinking about getting in to the next-gen systems but have some questions, post em! You'll get an answer from people who know what they're talkin' about. :Edit


I suspect my tax refund will give me the opportunity to finally partake of the new generation of consoles, and I find myself squarely in Sony's corner. My PS2 has simply given me too much pleasure to consider switching to the Xbox. I've always loved Sony's exclusives and aside from a foray into MMORPGs, online gaming has never been my cup of tea.

However, I don't believe I'll have the money to upgrade to an HDTV or even an HD monitor, which leaves me with my old 27" standard tube television.

Would that give me problems? (Disclaimer: I have zero knowledge or experience when it comes to electronics, really. I can hook up a PC and that's about it. ) When playing like God of War 2 on my PS2, for example, there's (very few) moments of screen tearing where it seems the system is trying to give the TV more frames per second than it can handle. Would this be a constant problem with a PS3? Or can you tell the system "I'm playing you on a standard TV so ease up, buddy"?

I somehow doubt that many others have dealt with this setup, but I thought this would be the best place to ask.

Thanks for any help you can give!

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I regularly play Rock Band and Uncharted on my SDTV, and I haven't had any issues. I have had a bit of trouble getting Warhawk to display properly (the edges usually get cut off), but that's about it. You should be fine.

    Actually, I've played RB on like a 20" SDTV and even that worked out all right. The PS3 should auto-detect your display when you hook it up and adjust the settings accordingly.

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  • FireflashFireflash Montreal, QCRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The tearing in God of war 2 has nothing to do with your TV. he game does that tearing instead of dropping in framerate. You can still play ps3 fine on your standard TV.

    There may be games where icons/text might be a bit more difficult to read since they were made with HDTVs in mind. Of course you won't be able to fully appreciate the improved graphics since you might not be able to see all the little details, but otherwise the game should run pretty much the same. Gameplay wont be affected.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Sweet! Thank you fellas for your quick and helpful responses!

    Muahahahahahaha. Next Gen here I come!

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  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm in the same situation- 27" tube TV and a PS3 on the way (at least before GTAIV). Anyone think it's worth it to go for s-video over composite, if those are your only options? (it's not progressive as far as I know, is it?)

    My plan, since I'm looking at university this year, is to save up for a good, big HD monitor and hook my PS3 up to that.

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  • yalborapyalborap Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    I'm in the same situation- 27" tube TV and a PS3 on the way (at least before GTAIV). Anyone think it's worth it to go for s-video over composite, if those are your only options? (it's not progressive as far as I know, is it?)

    My plan, since I'm looking at university this year, is to save up for a good, big HD monitor and hook my PS3 up to that.

    It isn't progressive, but it is worth it.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    A quick aside: do you have a decent monitor for your PC? I was stuck using a shitty SDTV for my Wii and 360 until I picked up VGA cables for both, and now I can game in HD to my heart's delight on my 20" LCD monitor.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    No, my monitor's an old tube as well (but it seems to have better definition than my 27" TV. I was trying to make sense of what Torso Boy and yalborap were saying above about cables for a PS3 but I can't make head nor tail of it.

    My little brother was suggesting that my tube is perhaps too old to accept an HDMI cable or whatever is required. It connects to my VCR and PS2 with those red-yellow-white three-pronged cables, and has a hookup for a Cable TV cable. Does this leave me out in the cold in terms of better picture on a standard definition set?

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  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Chance wrote: »
    No, my monitor's an old tube as well (but it seems to have better definition than my 27" TV. I was trying to make sense of what Torso Boy and yalborap were saying above about cables for a PS3 but I can't make head nor tail of it.

    My little brother was suggesting that my tube is perhaps too old to accept an HDMI cable or whatever is required. It connects to my VCR and PS2 with those red-yellow-white three-pronged cables, and has a hookup for a Cable TV cable. Does this leave me out in the cold in terms of better picture on a standard definition set?

    You have composite - S-video is a bit better (has a 4th video cable iirc), and component is a bit better than that (has red/green/blue inputs)... I dunno what the ps3 comes with, though I'm fairly sure composite is standard (i'm sure your tv is too old for HDMI, but it wouldn't help you anyway)

    honestly, when i switched my 360 from composite to component on my SDTV there was a slightly noticeable difference, but it's not major... the resolution on your crt will be a lot better, but then it's just a question of whether you want to sit on the couch playing or hook it up to your monitor

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    You have composite - S-video is a bit better (has a 4th video cable iirc), and component is a bit better than that (has red/green/blue inputs)... I dunno what the ps3 comes with, though I'm fairly sure composite is standard (i'm sure your tv is too old for HDMI, but it wouldn't help you anyway)

    The PS3 comes with RCA (composite) - ShittyMcShit of the cable levels.

    I had my PS3 plugged into a 27" SDTV, and it was fine. Although don't bother with Assassin's Creed until you get an HDTV; that was really the only game that was miserable. Oblivion was do-able, though sooo much better now.

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Aw, really? 'Cause AC is one that I'm really looking forward to. That, R&C Future, DMC4, and eventual GTA and MGS.

    What makes Assassin's Creed suck on a standard def?

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  • Radikal_DreamerRadikal_Dreamer Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I have PS3 hooked up to a 19" SDTV, and everything looks fine to me. Well, that is except Assassin's Creed. It's doable, though. The stuff you can't read isn't 100% important in order to play the game, and it's not that you CANNOT read it, it's just a bit hard. The game still looks amazing on the TV and works great. Other than that, I've played Heavenly Sword, Guitar Hero III, Oblivion, Uncharted, Warhawk, LAIR, and Resistance, and all are fine.

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  • GdiguyGdiguy San Diego, CARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    You have composite - S-video is a bit better (has a 4th video cable iirc), and component is a bit better than that (has red/green/blue inputs)... I dunno what the ps3 comes with, though I'm fairly sure composite is standard (i'm sure your tv is too old for HDMI, but it wouldn't help you anyway)

    The PS3 comes with RCA (composite) - ShittyMcShit of the cable levels.

    I had my PS3 plugged into a 27" SDTV, and it was fine. Although don't bother with Assassin's Creed until you get an HDTV; that was really the only game that was miserable. Oblivion was do-able, though sooo much better now.

    was it worse on ps3? I haven't had horrible issues on the 360 version (there have been other games that were a lot worse, with R6 Vegas and Dead Rising topping my personal list)

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  • ChanceChance Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
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  • fadingathedgesfadingathedges Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm going to juice this thread for a little info if that's all right, it seems to be attracting people who have the infos I want ;o

    I plan to buy a PS3 for Little Big Planet, general Blue Ray, FF's XIII and beyond, White Knight Story, Soul Calibur, Home for the gf, Armored Core 4 Answer (and probably AC4) and a few other sundries I'm looking forward to.

    Is there a reason for me to buy earlier than Little Big Planet's release? I'm not into the seemingly massive pool of games that are designed for angsty teen males, though I'm sure I'll grab one from the genre just to round out the library.

    I really like the look Culdcept Saga but beyond that I can't think of any Xbox exclusives that excite me too much. The Wii is novel but I can only be entertained by the.... novelty I guess... for so long. Some of the marios will be missed, I guess.

    Given this set of data, is there a reason for me to buy a PS3 early?

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  • ReznikReznik Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    If you want a game that is fun, has an excellent story, has fun characters who aren't all angsty, is pretty, fast paced, well voiced/acted, has tons of unlockables and collectibles for replay value and is all-round gorgeous, then pick up Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

    Ratchet & Clank Future is also fun. So, those would be two reasons to buy a PS3 now. They are both third-person shooters. Uncharted uses a cover mechanic (very well) and both of them have platforming (Ratchet a lot more so than Uncharted).

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  • The Black HunterThe Black Hunter The key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple, unimpeachable reason to existRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I play my PS3 on a 2 handslength telly

    As in the entire face of the set, not just the screen, is two handslengths

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I highly recommend that you get some sort of display that can display in high definition if you plan on getting a PS3. I know when I switched from an SDTV to a 19" widescreen monitor for my 360, the difference in quality was substantially; I actually felt like I had a brand new system, the visuals looked that much better. Plus, of course, there are some games that are difficult to play on SDTVs (small visuals or other tiny details that the game developers expect you to be able to see easily since they expect you're using an HDTV). Plus, without an HDTV or similar display, the PS3's ability to play Blu-Ray movies is pretty much worthless.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Chance wrote: »
    No, my monitor's an old tube as well (but it seems to have better definition than my 27" TV. I was trying to make sense of what Torso Boy and yalborap were saying above about cables for a PS3 but I can't make head nor tail of it.

    My little brother was suggesting that my tube is perhaps too old to accept an HDMI cable or whatever is required. It connects to my VCR and PS2 with those red-yellow-white three-pronged cables, and has a hookup for a Cable TV cable. Does this leave me out in the cold in terms of better picture on a standard definition set?

    If your monitor supports DVI, then you can get a HDMI to DVI converter and plug your PS3 into your monitor. If your monitor has no speakers inbuilt you will need a set of optical speakers for audio output.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    On the PS3 in general, never have i come across so many games that are actually fun.. huge library be damned, i'm having a blast, with a few exceptions (timeshift sucks)

    I LOVE how it all looks on my HDTV though... i think that is a big factor to my enjoyment as well.

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  • MichaelLCMichaelLC In what furnace was thy brain? ChicagoRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    MichaelLC wrote: »
    Gdiguy wrote: »
    You have composite - S-video is a bit better (has a 4th video cable iirc), and component is a bit better than that (has red/green/blue inputs)... I dunno what the ps3 comes with, though I'm fairly sure composite is standard (i'm sure your tv is too old for HDMI, but it wouldn't help you anyway)

    The PS3 comes with RCA (composite) - ShittyMcShit of the cable levels.

    I had my PS3 plugged into a 27" SDTV, and it was fine. Although don't bother with Assassin's Creed until you get an HDTV; that was really the only game that was miserable. Oblivion was do-able, though sooo much better now.

    was it worse on ps3? I haven't had horrible issues on the 360 version (there have been other games that were a lot worse, with R6 Vegas and Dead Rising topping my personal list)

    If you can play completely HUD-less, it's doable. But the HUD is unreadable on an SDTV. You can make out the "health" blocks, but that's about it. Also you may not replay once you get an HDTV, so you'd miss the incredible scenery in its full glory.

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  • greeblegreeble Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    On the PS3 in general, never have i come across so many games that are actually fun.. huge library be damned, i'm having a blast, with a few exceptions (timeshift sucks)

    I LOVE how it all looks on my HDTV though... i think that is a big factor to my enjoyment as well.

    Replayability of Uncharted depends on how much you like the combat system. I myself loved it and played through it 4 times. (Normal, Hard, Crushing, Hard using various unlocked "cheats") There is a bunch of stuff to unlock such as new skins, unlimited ammo, making of movies, galleries, etc. You unlock them buy getting points for doing "achievements", beating the different modes and collecting treasures".

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I have my PS3 on an SDTV via S-video

    honestly, the only thing that I REALLY feel I miss out on is widescreen.



    If you're already living without high-def, it isn't going to feel like you're really missing much.

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  • Black IceBlack Ice Charlotte, NCRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    My biggest beef with SDTV is how developers seem to just not design all games with them in mind. The text in Rainbow Six Vegas on my screen from the PS3 is illegible. I hear it's the same thing with several Xbox games, including Dead Rising.

    However, I hear that Hideo Kojima practically downplays the HDTV for MGS4. He says the game is supposed to be a dirty environment, so it won't affect the experience at all playing on an SDTV. Hmm..

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  • mescalitomescalito Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Play on standard def all you want. Just never EVER play it on an HD set. Convince yourself it looks awesome on SD, or else you will find every way possible to upgrade.

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  • chuck steakchuck steak Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I've only played NHL08 on an sdtv (on a 360) and it looked like a last gen game, except the text is more of a pain to read. If I were you I wouldn't play any games you really want to play until you can in HD because the experience is so much better it's like a whole new game.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

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  • maximumzeromaximumzero I...wait, what? New Orleans, LARegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    S-Video is definitely worth it. Sharper Text FTW.

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  • fadingathedgesfadingathedges Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

    It barely means what it literally means any more :lol:
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    I mean whats the difference? :D

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

    It barely means what it literally means any more :lol:
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    I mean whats the difference? :D

    We could have been smart asses about it and called it "4th person shooter" like Cliffy B did with Gears of War.

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  • LotharsLothars Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I've only played NHL08 on an sdtv (on a 360) and it looked like a last gen game, except the text is more of a pain to read. If I were you I wouldn't play any games you really want to play until you can in HD because the experience is so much better it's like a whole new game.

    I disagree fully, I am using a 21 inch SDTV and NHL 08 is really nice looking especially compared to the previous games in the series even on a SDTV.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

    It barely means what it literally means any more :lol:
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    I mean whats the difference? :D

    We could have been smart asses about it and called it "4th person shooter" like Cliffy B did with Gears of War.


    ohh.. bite me :) I only played a demo .. i was a guy runing around with a gun.. then a bigger gun... then grenades. All on an island.

    Is it a puzzler ? RPG ? ;)

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  • BlackDoveBlackDove Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hum.

    I have an SDTV Widescreen (they did some strange shit here in Sweden until they rolled out the HDTV's). It is in widescreen but I don't know which p's and i's it can handle. It's really old, like 8 years old, so I doubt it's any better then a regular SDTV, it's just that I can resize the image to widescreen, superwide, subtitle, and zooms to 14:9 and 16:9 and 4:3 of course.

    It only started paying off recently, when the programming began its airing in widescreen preference (before I had to like watch it half stretched or at 4:3 with two black lines at the sides, shitty stuff).

    It has a SCART (composite I guess in american) so I know it takes the PS3 up the butt, but what the image quality will be is =/ anyone's guess.

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  • KimFidlerKimFidler Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I have a plasma but the girlfriend likes to watch things on it when I want to game. Where is a good place to get VGA cables for the 360 if I wanted to hook it up to my 22" monitor?

    Edit: Nevermind. I figured it out. haha

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

    It barely means what it literally means any more :lol:
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    I mean whats the difference? :D

    We could have been smart asses about it and called it "4th person shooter" like Cliffy B did with Gears of War.


    ohh.. bite me :) I only played a demo .. i was a guy runing around with a gun.. then a bigger gun... then grenades. All on an island.

    Is it a puzzler ? RPG ? ;)

    3rd person action adventure I'd say, there are puzzle elements and platforming bits.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I want to see a fifth person shooter. Where you control a guy playing Gears of War on his own console in the game.

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  • Waka LakaWaka Laka Riding the stuffed Unicorn If ya know what I mean.Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    8th person will be like looking into a fucking fractal.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    8th person will be like looking into a fucking fractal.

    I would have gone with an Escher joke myself but well played.

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  • IcewingIcewing Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    Waka Laka wrote: »
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    o_O

    It barely means what it literally means any more :lol:
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    I mean whats the difference? :D

    We could have been smart asses about it and called it "4th person shooter" like Cliffy B did with Gears of War.

    I'm pretty sure they called it a "2nd person shooter" -- but neither one makes much sense either way. :lol:

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    RoundBoy wrote: »
    What is the replayability on Uncharted? I got the demo, and that game has the best god damn use of cover i have ever used in a FPS.

    On the PS3 in general, never have i come across so many games that are actually fun.. huge library be damned, i'm having a blast, with a few exceptions (timeshift sucks)

    I LOVE how it all looks on my HDTV though... i think that is a big factor to my enjoyment as well.

    uncharted's replayability is great. little things like the introduction of flip world / mirror world actually does a lot to make the playthroughs feel fresh. plus the higher difficulties aren't just cheap variable adjusments - the enemies become noticably more aggresive and use different tactics.

    i beat it four times in the first couple of weeks i had it, too - but greeble's right, it depends how much you dig the shooting engine. i loved it, and i thought the combat setups were planned well enough to be unique and rife with strategy every time you replay them

    there's also my own custom b-movie mode: turn on the b&w filter, change the language to Spanish, turn the brightness down low and mirror the world: it's a whole 'nother game.

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  • RoundBoyRoundBoy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I've only played the demo, but it really had me enjoying it. I think I've pulled every demo down from the playstation store, and I am happy with the majority of the PS3 library that I could play...

    The use of the tilt sensor is nice too.

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