Everybody in it just seems like they can't wait to wrap it up and go home.
YES! That's what makes it so awesome... you can spot the places where everyone just stopped giving a fuck... two of note:
1. When Batman "swings" on Poison Ivy's vine at the party... note that the vine is taped to his leg... he isn't even holding on to it.
2. When Robin is fighting Ivy's vines in the pool towards the end, there's a moment where rather have Robins head dunked under water and have him fight his way up for air, the director has his head dunked underwater, then plays that part BACKWARDS... wow... I'm sure that extra 85 cents he saved on that scene went to more florescent lighting.
I would also question the notion of having giant naked statues of men holding up Gothoms buildings and freeways... but who am I to criticize...
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To me, the Batman series goes Batman 1 & 2, ...., Batman Begins. There's a gap there, and while I recognize that movies exist somewhere in those dots, I refuse to think of them any further.
Also, if Joel Schumaker (spelling?) ever tries to get his hands on a series I love again, I'm going to start a one man hate mail campaign. And then pay to have him killed.
As for Speed Racer, I never got into the cartoon (as a kid or later) and the appeal of it as a racing film or anything else just isn't there. There's a good half dozen or more movies I'm looking forward to (and starting things off with Iron Man has set the bar really, really high), but I've gotta say that Speed Racer isn't one of them.
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Batman and Batman Returns weren't good movies at all
Totally agree about Batman, but Batman Returns is pretty awesome. It's so hilariously dark and morose, and though it's really not faithful to the source material, it does present a number of thematic ideas (like the whole "which is your mask, Bruce?" thing) that are used in Batman Begins, just not quite as well, in my opinion (the twisted romance between Batman and Catwoman is totally more awesome and compelling than Bruce and Rachel, for instance). I definitely wouldn't say it's the definitive Batman or anything like that, but it's a huge improvement over the first movie (which is actually kind of a joke in my opinion) and I really think it needs more credit. And need I even mention Christopher Walken?
I kind of think Bruce/Rachel will be better in Dark Knight, not just because Katie's been replaced by a better actress but rather because I think she'll represent Bruce's regret at not having chosen a more normal life for himself which, to me, is a little more interesting than the classic "I want to fuck her, but I also want to fuck up eeviilll!" dilemma as it highlights the sacrifice Bruce has had to make by showcasing the opportunity he's lost in spurning the girl next door as she goes on to find a new love in Harvey Dent.
Doesn't mean it wasn't bad in Batman Begins, though. :P
I could see what they were going for, though, in casting someone who'd be more at home in a romantic comedy than a film about Batman. The choice showed that the character herself could only fit into Bruce's life if he was the sort of noble, if boring character you see in romance films rather than a crazy crime-fighter and illustrated how far from her and the life he could have had Bruce had strayed following the death of his parents. So, when Bruce doesn't choose her in the end, the audience realizes just what that choice says about him and what he's become.
Unfortunately, on top of having the sweet face and demeanor normal men fall in love, Katie Holmes can't act very well.
And yeah, none of the '90s Batmans could really capture the child of privilege/vengeful psychopath demeanor of Batman. But then, those movies were strictly for children, in my mind, so the lead roles were written more to be role models and all around upstanding guys rather than dudes with real problems.
And yeah, none of the '90s Batmans could really capture the child of privilege/vengeful psychopath demeanor of Batman. But then, those movies were strictly for children, in my mind, so the lead roles were written more to be role models and all around upstanding guys rather than dudes with real problems.
I don't think the Burton films were exclusively for children.
Also, according to wikipedia, this man was second choice to direct Batman forever.
That would've been an incredible film. And as a second fun-fact, Wikipedia says Bob Kane sat in and supervised the entire production of Batman Forever as he was disappointed by the dark tone of Tim Burton's films and was part of the reason Burton wasn't allowed to make his third film.
And yeah, none of the '90s Batmans could really capture the child of privilege/vengeful psychopath demeanor of Batman. But then, those movies were strictly for children, in my mind, so the lead roles were written more to be role models and all around upstanding guys rather than dudes with real problems.
I don't think the Burton films were exclusively for children.
Also, according to wikipedia, this man was second choice to direct Batman forever.
That would've been an incredible film. And as a second fun-fact, Wikipedia says Bob Kane sat in and supervised the entire production of Batman Forever as he was disappointed by the dark tone of Tim Burton's films and was part of the reason Burton wasn't allowed to make his third film.
Maybe it's just because I was a child at the time that I feel that way, but I don't think anyone would have considered viral marketing a Batman film to 20-somethings and beyond rather than grade schoolers at that age.
They weren't exclusively for children, sure, but only in the sense that Disney films aren't exclusively for children.
I fully expect Ant-Man, Captain America, Thor, and Nick Fury to get flicks
I dont know what other franchises were supposedly getting made but all of those I expect to see
I was talking about the idea of a Captain America movie with my gf, and she wasn't having any of it. Her view is that A) At the moment there's really no one that you could cast that would make a good Cap, and , The movie would inevitably be seen as too patriotic to play in other countries, and hence wouldn't make it's money back.
I disagree. Although I can't think of an actor that woudl fit the role, I think if they went with a saving privater ryan meets Captain America, that would be so money.
Thor's actually the harder one for me to imagine being made. I can't Thor himself looking good on screen, not without drastic changes that woudl piss off the fans.
And yeah, none of the '90s Batmans could really capture the child of privilege/vengeful psychopath demeanor of Batman. But then, those movies were strictly for children, in my mind, so the lead roles were written more to be role models and all around upstanding guys rather than dudes with real problems.
I don't think the Burton films were exclusively for children.
Also, according to wikipedia, this man was second choice to direct Batman forever.
That would've been an incredible film. And as a second fun-fact, Wikipedia says Bob Kane sat in and supervised the entire production of Batman Forever as he was disappointed by the dark tone of Tim Burton's films and was part of the reason Burton wasn't allowed to make his third film.
Maybe it's just because I was a child at the time that I feel that way, but I don't think anyone would have considered viral marketing a Batman film to 20-somethings and beyond rather than grade schoolers at that age.
They weren't exclusively for children, sure, but only in the sense that Disney films aren't exclusively for children.
I don't think that college-aged audience existed 20 years ago the way it does now. It was there, but because of those Burton films and the DCAU spawned off them, and the Marvel launches that were attempts to keep up with DC, we now have this huge fan base of internet nerds and gamers who don't read consistently, but have a love for the characters and a solid understanding of the universe.
Plus there was the fact that this was all just after Crisis, and just after these books were actually getting serious. I think Burton made a darker batfilm than anyone else would have or would have been able to back then.
Plus viral marketing didn't exist yet, which goes back to the fact that the internet contingent of mid-level fans didn't exist yet either.
I fully expect Ant-Man, Captain America, Thor, and Nick Fury to get flicks
I dont know what other franchises were supposedly getting made but all of those I expect to see
I was talking about the idea of a Captain America movie with my gf, and she wasn't having any of it. Her view is that A) At the moment there's really no one that you could cast that would make a good Cap, and , The movie would inevitably be seen as too patriotic to play in other countries, and hence wouldn't make it's money back.
I disagree. Although I can't think of an actor that woudl fit the role, I think if they went with a saving privater ryan meets Captain America, that would be so money.
Thor's actually the harder one for me to imagine being made. I can't Thor himself looking good on screen, not without drastic changes that woudl piss off the fans.
Yeah, I think the idea of Captain America being too patriotic is just a misconception people may have upon seeing a character dressed as a flag without having any real knowledge about what he's about. Truth is, Captain America has confronted this country's problems a bit more readily than most superheroes, as it's sort of his job. Whereas other characters are either escapist in nature or rooted more so in personal problems rather than national problems, Captain America is the guy who's concerned with where the country is going and, ideally, the first one to notice when it's going the wrong way.
He doesn't exist to say that America is doing a great job. He exists to believe we can be better and show us how.
And yeah, setting the first film during WWII and ending with Cap getting put into suspended animation is definitely the way to go.
I fully expect Ant-Man, Captain America, Thor, and Nick Fury to get flicks
I dont know what other franchises were supposedly getting made but all of those I expect to see
I was talking about the idea of a Captain America movie with my gf, and she wasn't having any of it. Her view is that A) At the moment there's really no one that you could cast that would make a good Cap, and , The movie would inevitably be seen as too patriotic to play in other countries, and hence wouldn't make it's money back.
I disagree. Although I can't think of an actor that woudl fit the role, I think if they went with a saving privater ryan meets Captain America, that would be so money.
Thor's actually the harder one for me to imagine being made. I can't Thor himself looking good on screen, not without drastic changes that woudl piss off the fans.
It's funny, because a bunch of people have been trying to kill my Bat-buzz with that clip. Don't you think someone would have noticed when the trailer premiered like 6 months ago?
Yeah, I kind of liked the mystery of how much Two-Face we would or wouldn't be seeing in The Dark Knight. It's interesting that we now know he becomes Two-Face in the movie, but what role he'll ultimately play in this film is still up in the air.
Batman and Batman Returns weren't good movies at all
finally someone else thinks this too
i still have those issues of new fronteir if you want them keith
but I don't have Ico for you anymore : (
is there anything else cool i can get
also i was talking to the shop owner who is friends with darwyn and he said i could get my stuff signed
i could probably get something drawn or signed for you saying your my friend and moved away for college or some such
Something I just noticed after watching the new Dark Knight trailer, not sure if it's been discussed yet, regarding Harvey Dent...
He is very clearly scarred in this picture, I'd say:
Which. Is awesome.
Wow, nice catch. I was looking through the trailer frame by frame to see any hints at anything, but this completely escaped me o.O
As for that idiotic Batman "trailer" from 1989 that people keep bringing up, doesn't it strike anyone as odd that Burton would cut a trailer to sync with Molossus, which was composed by Hanz Zimmer for the Batman Begins soundtrack 14 years after Burton's Batman came out?
If that didn't tell you it was fake, I don't know what will. Another sign that the trailer is obviously a fake is that it makes Burton's movie actually look good.
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YES! That's what makes it so awesome... you can spot the places where everyone just stopped giving a fuck... two of note:
1. When Batman "swings" on Poison Ivy's vine at the party... note that the vine is taped to his leg... he isn't even holding on to it.
2. When Robin is fighting Ivy's vines in the pool towards the end, there's a moment where rather have Robins head dunked under water and have him fight his way up for air, the director has his head dunked underwater, then plays that part BACKWARDS... wow... I'm sure that extra 85 cents he saved on that scene went to more florescent lighting.
I would also question the notion of having giant naked statues of men holding up Gothoms buildings and freeways... but who am I to criticize...
Also, if Joel Schumaker (spelling?) ever tries to get his hands on a series I love again, I'm going to start a one man hate mail campaign. And then pay to have him killed.
As for Speed Racer, I never got into the cartoon (as a kid or later) and the appeal of it as a racing film or anything else just isn't there. There's a good half dozen or more movies I'm looking forward to (and starting things off with Iron Man has set the bar really, really high), but I've gotta say that Speed Racer isn't one of them.
Return of the Joker is better
Then you might be in deep shit, son.
finally someone else thinks this too
i still have those issues of new fronteir if you want them keith
No way!
Totally agree about Batman, but Batman Returns is pretty awesome. It's so hilariously dark and morose, and though it's really not faithful to the source material, it does present a number of thematic ideas (like the whole "which is your mask, Bruce?" thing) that are used in Batman Begins, just not quite as well, in my opinion (the twisted romance between Batman and Catwoman is totally more awesome and compelling than Bruce and Rachel, for instance). I definitely wouldn't say it's the definitive Batman or anything like that, but it's a huge improvement over the first movie (which is actually kind of a joke in my opinion) and I really think it needs more credit. And need I even mention Christopher Walken?
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Doesn't mean it wasn't bad in Batman Begins, though. :P
Although.....What the fuck? A well-received murder/mystery/romance film staring and directed by Mr. Keaton? Count me in.
Yeah, but George Clooney would always be too passive in any context and Val Kilmer would've always been Val Kilmer.
I can't think of a 90s star that would've made a good, live-action Batman. I'm just glad Tom Cruise never got the chance to take up the mantle.
I could see what they were going for, though, in casting someone who'd be more at home in a romantic comedy than a film about Batman. The choice showed that the character herself could only fit into Bruce's life if he was the sort of noble, if boring character you see in romance films rather than a crazy crime-fighter and illustrated how far from her and the life he could have had Bruce had strayed following the death of his parents. So, when Bruce doesn't choose her in the end, the audience realizes just what that choice says about him and what he's become.
Unfortunately, on top of having the sweet face and demeanor normal men fall in love, Katie Holmes can't act very well.
And yeah, none of the '90s Batmans could really capture the child of privilege/vengeful psychopath demeanor of Batman. But then, those movies were strictly for children, in my mind, so the lead roles were written more to be role models and all around upstanding guys rather than dudes with real problems.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I don't think anyone's going to argue that Keaton was miles ahead of Clooney and Kilmer. I'm still thankful for Christian Bale, though.
I don't think the Burton films were exclusively for children.
Also, according to wikipedia, this man was second choice to direct Batman forever.
That would've been an incredible film. And as a second fun-fact, Wikipedia says Bob Kane sat in and supervised the entire production of Batman Forever as he was disappointed by the dark tone of Tim Burton's films and was part of the reason Burton wasn't allowed to make his third film.
Maybe it's just because I was a child at the time that I feel that way, but I don't think anyone would have considered viral marketing a Batman film to 20-somethings and beyond rather than grade schoolers at that age.
They weren't exclusively for children, sure, but only in the sense that Disney films aren't exclusively for children.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
I was talking about the idea of a Captain America movie with my gf, and she wasn't having any of it. Her view is that A) At the moment there's really no one that you could cast that would make a good Cap, and
I disagree. Although I can't think of an actor that woudl fit the role, I think if they went with a saving privater ryan meets Captain America, that would be so money.
Thor's actually the harder one for me to imagine being made. I can't Thor himself looking good on screen, not without drastic changes that woudl piss off the fans.
I don't think that college-aged audience existed 20 years ago the way it does now. It was there, but because of those Burton films and the DCAU spawned off them, and the Marvel launches that were attempts to keep up with DC, we now have this huge fan base of internet nerds and gamers who don't read consistently, but have a love for the characters and a solid understanding of the universe.
Plus there was the fact that this was all just after Crisis, and just after these books were actually getting serious. I think Burton made a darker batfilm than anyone else would have or would have been able to back then.
Plus viral marketing didn't exist yet, which goes back to the fact that the internet contingent of mid-level fans didn't exist yet either.
Yeah, I think the idea of Captain America being too patriotic is just a misconception people may have upon seeing a character dressed as a flag without having any real knowledge about what he's about. Truth is, Captain America has confronted this country's problems a bit more readily than most superheroes, as it's sort of his job. Whereas other characters are either escapist in nature or rooted more so in personal problems rather than national problems, Captain America is the guy who's concerned with where the country is going and, ideally, the first one to notice when it's going the wrong way.
He doesn't exist to say that America is doing a great job. He exists to believe we can be better and show us how.
And yeah, setting the first film during WWII and ending with Cap getting put into suspended animation is definitely the way to go.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
Comic fans deserve to be pissed off.
Because seriously, we are the worst.
You do know that's not the real Batman 89 trailer? It's fan edited to look like TDK's.
Really?
I wasn't even 1 year old when Batman 89' came out, and I've never had any reason to go back on the trailer until now...
but I don't have Ico for you anymore : (
Now Keith
It's totally logical that the original Batman trailer would be edited completely in sync with the Batman Begins/Dark Knight theme music
Which. Is awesome.
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-ca-echkart-2008may04,0,3210342.story
Oh also, it comes with this cool pic;
is there anything else cool i can get
also i was talking to the shop owner who is friends with darwyn and he said i could get my stuff signed
i could probably get something drawn or signed for you saying your my friend and moved away for college or some such
Wow, nice catch. I was looking through the trailer frame by frame to see any hints at anything, but this completely escaped me o.O
As for that idiotic Batman "trailer" from 1989 that people keep bringing up, doesn't it strike anyone as odd that Burton would cut a trailer to sync with Molossus, which was composed by Hanz Zimmer for the Batman Begins soundtrack 14 years after Burton's Batman came out?
If that didn't tell you it was fake, I don't know what will. Another sign that the trailer is obviously a fake is that it makes Burton's movie actually look good.
Zing!