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Advice on a 24" monitor for PC/PS3

atkbobatkbob Registered User regular
edited May 2008 in Games and Technology
With the school year nearing an end, I'll soon be leaving behind my 24" Dell 2407WFP and going home to my old NEC 19" CRT. I'm planning to pick up a PS3 for GTAIV and MGS4, and bringing home my desktop to play TF2 and COD4 (I can't take my monitor, I'm actually UPSing my desktop across the country). I was planning on getting a 24" Dell 2408WFP (it has an HDMI port) for my little brother, but being from Canada, the sale just ended, bringing the price up to $730. This seems like a lot to spend on a monitor, but nothing can get in my way of zooming in on Snake's majestic mustache in HD. Are they any cheaper alternatives for a good PC/console monitor with at least VGA, DVI and HDMI ports? I'm willing to spend the money for a good monitor that will last, but I just don't want to unnecessarily overspend.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
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    j0hnz3rj0hnz3r Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I like this one...
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001263

    ...my sister has the 22" in model and it's fuckin' sweet. 0 ghosting and the color is brilliant.

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    atkbobatkbob Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    It says that the monitor's (BenQ) constant ratio is 1000:1. Shouldn't I be look at monitors with 3000:1? And what's the significance of response time?

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    AumniAumni Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    on bigger monitors, especially with multiple inputs aside from VGA/DVI, adding 3000:1 + ratios brings up the price quite a bit.

    Lower response time = Less ghosting on faster paced games, but 6ms isn't bad. You can find 2/3ms response time monitors, but those are usually limited to VGA/DVI only, unless again you want to spend more.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    atkbob wrote: »
    It says that the monitor's (BenQ) constant ratio is 1000:1. Shouldn't I be look at monitors with 3000:1? And what's the significance of response time?

    If you're looking at something with a 3000:1 contrast ratio, its most likely a dynamic contrast ratio (the 24088 wfp is) . All dynamic contrast does is basically dim the backlight on certain areas of the screen to make it look darker, and it looks like ass. Most people just disable the dynamic contrast option which drops it back to 1000:1. Higher response times can cause ghosting, but whats even more important than that for games is input lag, the higher the input lag, the longer the delay between something happen and actually showing up on the monitor, the 2408WFP supposedly has one of the highest input lags in a monitor..ever. Which makes it less than ideal for games. So while you might not necessarily want the benq i linked, you definitely don't want the 2408

    edit: the other thing to keep in mind is if you see an lcd with a response time under 5 MS, its pretty much guarenteed to be a TN panel, which means horrible viewing angles, so not good for a group of people playing/watching you play

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    Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I bought this a couple days ago. It is great! It is annoying changing inputs and plugging things in but it has two VGA ports and a DVI but those two minor annoyances are worth it for the price.

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    atkbobatkbob Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    atkbob wrote: »
    It says that the monitor's (BenQ) constant ratio is 1000:1. Shouldn't I be look at monitors with 3000:1? And what's the significance of response time?

    If you're looking at something with a 3000:1 contrast ratio, its most likely a dynamic contrast ratio (the 24088 wfp is) . All dynamic contrast does is basically dim the backlight on certain areas of the screen to make it look darker, and it looks like ass. Most people just disable the dynamic contrast option which drops it back to 1000:1. Higher response times can cause ghosting, but whats even more important than that for games is input lag, the higher the input lag, the longer the delay between something happen and actually showing up on the monitor, the 2408WFP supposedly has one of the highest input lags in a monitor..ever. Which makes it less than ideal for games. So while you might not necessarily want the benq i linked, you definitely don't want the 2408

    edit: the other thing to keep in mind is if you see an lcd with a response time under 5 MS, its pretty much guarenteed to be a TN panel, which means horrible viewing angles, so not good for a group of people playing/watching you play
    That's really weird, I have a 2407 and I've never had a problem. The only difference between the monitors is the addition of the HDMI port, 2 more USB ports and an HDMI-audio out port. Then again, I've never used this monitor for anything other than my PC through DVI.

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    bombardierbombardier Moderator mod
    edited April 2008
    I was going to suggest this but yeah. I've recommended this monitor numerous times.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    atkbob wrote: »
    That's really weird, I have a 2407 and I've never had a problem. The only difference between the monitors is the addition of the HDMI port, 2 more USB ports and an HDMI-audio out port. Then again, I've never used this monitor for anything other than my PC through DVI.

    They use different panels, they're both MVA panels afaik (maybe PVA) but they're different. The 2408 is supposed to be quite a bit worse than the 2407, at least according to the majority of people who have gotten them in this thread http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1264046

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    BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    bombardier wrote: »
    I was going to suggest this but yeah. I've recommended this monitor numerous times.

    I actually prefer the Benq 241FPWZ, if you can find one. Same panel as the FP241VW, but it's a plain black bezel with a tilt/rotate base, so you can turn it 90 degrees.

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    brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm using a Gateway FPD2485 for my computer and all my game consoles. It has HDCP on the DVI port, two component inputs, and composite and S-Video.

    I think there's a newer version with HDMI as well.

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    Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I'm in just about the exact same situation as atkbob, but I'm going for a 22" and shooting to spend around or less than $350 Canadian. I'm leaning towards the LGs because of their wonderful 2ms response times and excellent contrast ratios. Anyone have any experience with the brand?

    Also, since I doubt the monitor I'm getting will have HDMI, I'm just gonna grab an adaptor. Is there any loss of quality from HDMI to DVI? Everything I read online says they have the same signal, but I don't know what DVI's limitations are.

    (Edit: did some more looking, and there's an LG with an HDMI port for $329- agian, Canadian. Me likey.)

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    VytaeVytae Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I highly recommend samsung for gaming and general viewing.
    http://www.pcworld.com/shopping/reviews/prtprdid,37039204/reviews.html

    Samsung is well built,good quality,reasonable price and fanastic warranty (in canada anyhow). Hidef quality,no ghosting no burnt pixels nothing but creamy smooth widescreen CARNAGE!

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    VelmeranVelmeran Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    I have that BenQ monitor also, the FP241VW, its Solid wither everything I've thrown at from PC/PSP/Wii/360/TV and I've been happy with it at all times. No input lag issue and the extra video modes for movies and action/racing games actually make a huge difference in some games (Bioshock with the Action mode set looks 10x better in DX10 then without).

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    The Dude With HerpesThe Dude With Herpes Lehi, UTRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    What the hell?

    That Benq monitor is almost $100 more when you choose USD instead of CAD; when there's less than 1% difference between USD and CAD right now.

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    brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    I'm in just about the exact same situation as atkbob, but I'm going for a 22" and shooting to spend around or less than $350 Canadian. I'm leaning towards the LGs because of their wonderful 2ms response times and excellent contrast ratios. Anyone have any experience with the brand?

    Also, since I doubt the monitor I'm getting will have HDMI, I'm just gonna grab an adaptor. Is there any loss of quality from HDMI to DVI? Everything I read online says they have the same signal, but I don't know what DVI's limitations are.

    (Edit: did some more looking, and there's an LG with an HDMI port for $329- agian, Canadian. Me likey.)

    To answer your question in spite of discovering the other monitor, there's no signal difference between HDMI and DVI. The video portions are identical, HDMI adds the ability to carry a digital audio signal along with the DVI video signal. I'm using an adapter and it looks fantastic.

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    taliosfalcontaliosfalcon Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    What the hell?

    That Benq monitor is almost $100 more when you choose USD instead of CAD; when there's less than 1% difference between USD and CAD right now.

    doubleyouteeeff
    They have seperate US and Canadian sites, when you switch to USD it changes to the US site, its currently on sale on the Canadian but not the US

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    atkbobatkbob Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sorry to bump, but I got the Samsung 2493HM only to find that it doesn't have 1:1 pixel mapping. So, I'm planning on returning it, and I thinking of getting the Benq FP241W. This is a different model than the FP241VW that so many people on these boards suggest, but I was wondering if anyone has any experience with this monitor. It was supposed to have a firmware update that added 1:1 pixel mapping, but I can't find any impressions of this function.

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    devoirdevoir Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    You might have luck in the thread in Tech: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?t=53589&page=5

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