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Oh, and to contribute more, buy the Absolutes. Greatest things EVAR. The recolouring in the first volume is fantabulous or some other made up word since none known can express how much better it is.
Have you read Books of Magic? It's a Neil Gaiman graphic novel about the magical side of the DC Universe and a few of your "awesome reasons" show up in it. We even see the fate of a few.
I'm anxiously awaiting delivery of the first two Absolute Sandman books, and I've got the third on pre-order. I really like Lucifer in Sandman, and I really like Mike Carey. This leads me to believe that I might enjoy Lucifer (woo logic!)
I'll hold out for Absolute Lucifer though, so it matches my Absolute Sandman
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I'll give it a shot. Any TPBs or arcs I should look for in particular or is this something that should be taken from the beginning?
Also holy shit Delerium was awesome in that insane awesome way.
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Just start with the main Hellboy book, there's only seven trades of it and they're numbered now. So Seed of Destruction is first. Then there's BPRD and some other spin-off stuff if that hooks you.
Yeah i've read Sandman and Lucifer (maybe I didn't finish it?)
Where do I go now? Nothing can really compete. It sucks.
Lucifer has a couple minis (or is it just one) before it started. Most miss those. You didn't mention the various Death minis or if you had the Endless Nights graphic novel (I loved the beginning of the universe meeting of the stars and other cosmic entities story). I think there's a couple other random minis or oneshots for characters, like Marv, etc, for Sandman as well.
Anyone that liked Sandman will love Carey's Lucifer. So, if you were holding off or wondering, it's worth it. I doubt it'll ever get Absolute treatment either, considering it didnt even get hardcovers.
Fair enough, I had only come across softcovers. Well fingers crossed Absolute Sandman is considered enough of a success that they decide to give Lucifer the same treatment. There was mention of Absolute Death at some stage too...
What other books tie in to Sandman? I know there's the Starro bit in JLA, there's the Hall family in JSA, and Dream's cameo in Green Arrow. What else?
Kyle
Daniel was in a cut scene from Infinite Crisis. Dream met up with Weasly Dodds in Mystery Science Theater. Lobo hit on death. Destiny was in the new Brave and the Bold.
Seriously, how hard is it to put out a Powers collection? The material for I don't know how many hardcovers is already completed. I couldn't really care less about any extras Bendis wants to throw in at this point, I'd just like to read the damn thing.
And regarding Rising Stars, are you talking about a new collection or the one from a few years back?
I liked the artwork in the Kindly Ones arc. I also found the funeral to be dreadfully boring.
I still love the books, though. Aside from Lucifer, which I have ordered, what side stories should I read?
As mentioned before, Books of Magic(the original Gaiman mini, and the ongoing. Although, the problem with the ongoing is issues 51-75 have not been put into trades yet. Avoid Names of Magic, Hunter:Age of Magic, and Books of Magick:Life During Wartime, as it seems that the main mandate of those series is to distance Tim from Harry Potter as much as possible, rather than being simular to how he was before).
There's also the Sandman Presents mini-series, the best of which(IMO) are the two that focus on Thessely. I think both are in TPB form. And the Merv Pumpkinhead one-shot was a blast too. All were written by Bill "Fables" Willingham(on a related note, if you're not reading Fables yet, you should be).
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What other books tie in to Sandman? I know there's the Starro bit in JLA, there's the Hall family in JSA, and Dream's cameo in Green Arrow. What else?
Lots of stuff. Matthew the Raven was originally Matthew Cable, a supporting character in Swamp Thing who sold his soul and died during Alan Moore's run on that book, a run that also introduced John Constantine (Hellblazer), who also appears in Sandman (as do other members of the Constantine family). The Golden Age Sandman, Wesley Dodds (star of Sandman Mystery Theatre), is revealed to derive his precognitive powers from Morpheus. All of these except the last are available in trade and come really highly recommended.
Jack Kirby's really weird 1970s Sandman, superhero of the dreamworld, is both the direct inspiration for Gaiman's book and figures heavily into it. I don't know if that's available anywhere, nor do I know if it's any good. Cain and Abel were the hosts of DC's House of Secrets and House of Mystery horror comics from the 60s, although again I'm not sure if those are available anywhere. The first Gaiman Sandman story, "Preludes and Nocturnes", is totally tied into the larger DC universe with guest appearances by the Martian Manhunter, Mr. Miracle, and Doctor Destiny.
Then there are a bunch of sequel/spinoff works to Sandman - Lucifer, The Books of Magic, The Dreaming, The Children's Crusade and a bunch of others, mostly specials focused on Death and Destiny and so forth. Lucifer and TBoM are only peripherally connected to Sandman, and are generally quite good, whereas The Dreaming features most of the Sandman's supporting cast but felt like really limp emogoth fanfic. I haven't read a lot of the rest, but I'm distrustful of the Endless written by anyone but Gaiman or Grant Morrison.
Hob is basically my favorite Sandman character, and might be my most favorite character in comic books in general.
His is the only portrayal of a human-made-immortal I've ever seen that actually feels like the portrayal of a real human being to me (instead of going the "Immortality is a curse oh woe is me I would do anything for the sweet release of death why do all my loved ones keep dying " route that all other immortals - other than Duncan MacLeod, maybe - go).
Sandman loses awesome points because
A Game for You (seriously Neil Gaiman we get it, you want to make a Narnia-style story
Man, I like "A Game of You" a whole lot. It didn't matter that it was a Narnia-style story, I still nearly cried when some of the characters died. Because, you know, I grew attached to them. That seems like a fine story to me.
I've seen various prints of Sandman in both hard and soft covers.
I've got The Kindly Ones and Season of Mists in hardcover. I got them from the Science Fiction Book Club back in the 90's.
My copy of Season of Mists is put inside the cover upside-down and backwards. Even so, it is one of the most handsomely-bound hardcovers I've seen.
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Oh, and to contribute more, buy the Absolutes. Greatest things EVAR. The recolouring in the first volume is fantabulous or some other made up word since none known can express how much better it is.
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I'll hold out for Absolute Lucifer though, so it matches my Absolute Sandman
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Where do I go now? Nothing can really compete. It sucks.
Altough it's lees edgy and more beautifully simple.
It really competes with Sandman? I've only seen the Hellboy movie so my judgment may be a bit skewed.
Your millage may vary I guess.
Also the writing in the first volume is a little weak because it's John Byrne on script.
Also holy shit Delerium was awesome in that insane awesome way.
Lucifer has a couple minis (or is it just one) before it started. Most miss those. You didn't mention the various Death minis or if you had the Endless Nights graphic novel (I loved the beginning of the universe meeting of the stars and other cosmic entities story). I think there's a couple other random minis or oneshots for characters, like Marv, etc, for Sandman as well.
Anyone that liked Sandman will love Carey's Lucifer. So, if you were holding off or wondering, it's worth it. I doubt it'll ever get Absolute treatment either, considering it didnt even get hardcovers.
I've seen various prints of Sandman in both hard and soft covers.
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Same thing with Rising Stars, I was all set for that omnibus collection and then it's pushed back an entire year
Edit: And Powers! FUCK YOU Powers HC 2 for making me wait this long for another hit of Powers goodness!
Daniel was in a cut scene from Infinite Crisis. Dream met up with Weasly Dodds in Mystery Science Theater. Lobo hit on death. Destiny was in the new Brave and the Bold.
And regarding Rising Stars, are you talking about a new collection or the one from a few years back?
Kyle
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Haha, I take it you mean Sandman Mystery Theatre?
Anally.
I mean this compendium, it appears to be a new updated release of the now OOP hardcover collection
Kyle
I still love the books, though. Aside from Lucifer, which I have ordered, what side stories should I read?
There's also the Sandman Presents mini-series, the best of which(IMO) are the two that focus on Thessely. I think both are in TPB form. And the Merv Pumpkinhead one-shot was a blast too. All were written by Bill "Fables" Willingham(on a related note, if you're not reading Fables yet, you should be).
Lots of stuff. Matthew the Raven was originally Matthew Cable, a supporting character in Swamp Thing who sold his soul and died during Alan Moore's run on that book, a run that also introduced John Constantine (Hellblazer), who also appears in Sandman (as do other members of the Constantine family). The Golden Age Sandman, Wesley Dodds (star of Sandman Mystery Theatre), is revealed to derive his precognitive powers from Morpheus. All of these except the last are available in trade and come really highly recommended.
Jack Kirby's really weird 1970s Sandman, superhero of the dreamworld, is both the direct inspiration for Gaiman's book and figures heavily into it. I don't know if that's available anywhere, nor do I know if it's any good. Cain and Abel were the hosts of DC's House of Secrets and House of Mystery horror comics from the 60s, although again I'm not sure if those are available anywhere. The first Gaiman Sandman story, "Preludes and Nocturnes", is totally tied into the larger DC universe with guest appearances by the Martian Manhunter, Mr. Miracle, and Doctor Destiny.
Then there are a bunch of sequel/spinoff works to Sandman - Lucifer, The Books of Magic, The Dreaming, The Children's Crusade and a bunch of others, mostly specials focused on Death and Destiny and so forth. Lucifer and TBoM are only peripherally connected to Sandman, and are generally quite good, whereas The Dreaming features most of the Sandman's supporting cast but felt like really limp emogoth fanfic. I haven't read a lot of the rest, but I'm distrustful of the Endless written by anyone but Gaiman or Grant Morrison.
Hob is basically my favorite Sandman character, and might be my most favorite character in comic books in general.
His is the only portrayal of a human-made-immortal I've ever seen that actually feels like the portrayal of a real human being to me (instead of going the "Immortality is a curse oh woe is me I would do anything for the sweet release of death why do all my loved ones keep dying " route that all other immortals - other than Duncan MacLeod, maybe - go).
Man, I like "A Game of You" a whole lot. It didn't matter that it was a Narnia-style story, I still nearly cried when some of the characters died. Because, you know, I grew attached to them. That seems like a fine story to me.
I roped a friend of mine (who's not into comics) into reading Sandman by making him read "A Dream of a Thousand Cats" and "Three Septembers and a January" (the latter is probably my favorite issue).
I've got The Kindly Ones and Season of Mists in hardcover. I got them from the Science Fiction Book Club back in the 90's.
My copy of Season of Mists is put inside the cover upside-down and backwards. Even so, it is one of the most handsomely-bound hardcovers I've seen.