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Pippa Bacca

ZimarooskiZimarooski Registered User regular
edited April 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
Reading this last night nearly brought me to tears.

Turkish PM Condemns Murder of Italian artist
Missing Italian artist Bacca found dead in Turkey

Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

She went missing on March 31.

Her dead body was found amidst some bushes in Turkey last Friday.

This is a story of irony and disappointment. Why can't people be..not..barbarians? I'm ashamed to be human with stories like this floating around.

I've read some counter-arguments of people saying she was "stupid" and "naive" to do what she did, but I resent that. All she was trying to do was to tell the world what is possible.

World peace is achievable. Definitely not within our lifetime, and it will never be completely perfect. But it's out there, and there's no reason we can't start making baby-steps towards our cookie jar.

For everyone that's calling her naive, idiotic, stupid; was Martin Luther King naive, idiotic and stupid? He was assassinated for his attempts at overhauling our social system, inspiring the masses and uplifting every man, woman and child to an equal pedestal of importance.

For every time that you attach a negative connotation to people like this, you're making society take a step backwards.

I know it's probably natural to just pull the ol' "I TOLD YA SO", maybe show some grief and then move on. But every person that hears you say, "I TOLD YA SO", will come to be of that same state of mind and attach that same negative stigma to the story at hand, thus creating more people that don't even make an ATTEMPT at ratifying or continuing the work of the "naive" person in question.

I work in sales and I see it all the damn time.

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See how people are so quick to give up? "Don't even bother" - the defeatist's statement.

I see myself in the camp of naive optimists with idealistic views and don't regret it even once, even with the doldrums of society pounding down on people like me and Pippa Bacca. The key thing here is that I'm trying, and you better believe that I bother.

Oh, I bother.

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    ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    It's sad, but that's reality and it's not ever going to change, unless we somehow, through long-term evolution, lose that part of the brain that makes us (all of us) do shitty things sometimes.

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    AJAlkaline40AJAlkaline40 __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    Zoolander wrote: »
    It's sad, but that's reality and it's not ever going to change, unless we somehow, through long-term evolution, lose that part of the brain that makes us (all of us) do shitty things sometimes.

    Or we excise it technologically...

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This is why i'm not totally opposed to global genocide. Humanity failed pretty hard right there.

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    Something WittySomething Witty Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MLK was involved in the overhaul of a single country's social system. Sure it inspired millions but to do the same thing on a global scale just seems unrealistic to me. I guess I'm not really a believer in world peace, as long as there are assholes in the world there will be conflict, and there will always be assholes.

    Terrible thing though, I hope they find the person(s) responsible.

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    JinniganJinnigan Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    martin luther is not martin luther king

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Zimarooski wrote: »
    Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

    This right here is why I think she's naive. Look through history or even a single days newspaper and it's pretty clear that people are not inherently kind.

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    xraydogxraydog Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Or at least people in that part of the world.

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    Something WittySomething Witty Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    martin luther is not martin luther king

    I'm sorry what?

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    Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    There is a difference between committing an act of good faith towards world peace, and having blind faith good things will happen in a social and political climate drastically different from your own.

    I thought this was a terrible turn of events when I read this on DIGG, but it just seems to me that walking through the Middle East in a wedding dress is not coalescing with your environment much and essentially making a target of yourself.

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    MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    khain wrote: »
    Zimarooski wrote: »
    Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

    This right here is why I think she's naive. Look through history or even a single days newspaper and it's pretty clear that people are not inherently kind.

    Acts of kindness aren't news.

    Confirmation bias.

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    emnmnmeemnmnme Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    The news article says she was hitchhiking her way to Israel, not walking.

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    JebusUDJebusUD Adventure! Candy IslandRegistered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Zoolander wrote: »
    It's sad, but that's reality and it's not ever going to change, unless we somehow, through long-term evolution, lose that part of the brain that makes us (all of us) do shitty things sometimes.

    Or we excise it technologically...

    But this part does not exist. The brain always tries to do the best. Its just really really bad at knowing what is best.

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    ZoolanderZoolander Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    JebusUD wrote: »
    Zoolander wrote: »
    It's sad, but that's reality and it's not ever going to change, unless we somehow, through long-term evolution, lose that part of the brain that makes us (all of us) do shitty things sometimes.

    Or we excise it technologically...

    But this part does not exist. The brain always tries to do the best. Its just really really bad at knowing what is best.
    Same shit, different words.

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    MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Martin Luther King agitated for political change in a very tangible way. This woman was making a much less concrete statement, and the results of her actions had they succeeded would have been unclear at best.

    A murder is always a tragedy, however, this woman's idea doesn't lift me up on eagle's wings nor does she remind me of genuine reformers like MLK.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This is why i'm not totally opposed to global genocide. Humanity failed pretty hard right there.
    Must we judge the value of the many by the actions of the few?

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    DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This is why i'm not totally opposed to global genocide. Humanity failed pretty hard right there.
    Must we judge the value of the many by the actions of the few?

    Hm. Good question. If it is impossible for a person to actually complete her goal without being raped and kill then yes the global society lacks a basic level of compassion and humanity and has replaced it with an irreverence for the well being of others.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    This is why i'm not totally opposed to global genocide. Humanity failed pretty hard right there.
    Must we judge the value of the many by the actions of the few?

    Hm. Good question. If it is impossible for a person to actually complete her goal without being raped and kill then yes the global society lacks a basic level of compassion and humanity and has replaced it with an irreverence for the well being of others.
    Did the global society kill her?

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    ScalfinScalfin __BANNED USERS regular
    edited April 2008
    Martin Luther King called off marches if he thought they'd erupt into violence, and never hitchhiked alone from Chicago to Miami. The writer showed stupidity when she equated humanity with people. It doesn't matter how good humanity is overall if your effort can be negated by one dickwad.

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    khainkhain Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    MikeMan wrote: »
    khain wrote: »
    Zimarooski wrote: »
    Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

    This right here is why I think she's naive. Look through history or even a single days newspaper and it's pretty clear that people are not inherently kind.

    Acts of kindness aren't news.

    Confirmation bias.

    It doesn't matter if the news is biased against acts of kindness as all I need to show is that some people aren't kind and then kindness can't be an inherent trait.

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    Fuzzy Cumulonimbus CloudFuzzy Cumulonimbus Cloud Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    khain wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    khain wrote: »
    Zimarooski wrote: »
    Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

    This right here is why I think she's naive. Look through history or even a single days newspaper and it's pretty clear that people are not inherently kind.

    Acts of kindness aren't news.

    Confirmation bias.

    It doesn't matter if the news is biased against acts of kindness as all I need to show is that some people aren't kind and then kindness can't be an inherent trait.
    If you applied that to every trait, then there would be no inherent traits.

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    HearthjawHearthjaw Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    martin luther is not martin luther king

    I'm sorry what?

    Martin Luther was a guy involved in a little thing called the Reformation, Martin Luther King was a guy with a dream and a gift for speeches.

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    MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    khain wrote: »
    MikeMan wrote: »
    khain wrote: »
    Zimarooski wrote: »
    Essentially a female arist named Pippa Bacca stated she would walk from Milan to Israel wearing a brides dress for world peace and to illustrate that she could place her trust in the inherit kindness of people.

    This right here is why I think she's naive. Look through history or even a single days newspaper and it's pretty clear that people are not inherently kind.

    Acts of kindness aren't news.

    Confirmation bias.

    It doesn't matter if the news is biased against acts of kindness as all I need to show is that some people aren't kind and then kindness can't be an inherent trait.

    I really do not think she was as mind-bogglingly stupid as to use "inherently kind" to mean "no one on earth ever does bad things."

    And it is a mistake for you to assume that is what the phrase means.

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    MikeManMikeMan Registered User regular
    edited April 2008
    Hearthjaw wrote: »
    Jinnigan wrote: »
    martin luther is not martin luther king

    I'm sorry what?

    Martin Luther was a guy involved in a little thing called the Reformation, Martin Luther King was a guy with a dream and a gift for speeches.

    I don't see anyone other than Jinnigan mention Martin Luther in this thread, though.

    So... unless Jin was making some other point, his correction was aimed at no one, and is nonsensical.

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    Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited April 2008
    World peace means that no government on earth has directed their armed forces against any actual target. This is achievable, but it isn't what did this woman in.

    She fell afoul of a simple case of criminal behavior, which will be with us as long as there is sentient life in this universe.

    She was not naive in her goal, but she was in the execution of her "statement".

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