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Those backwards 'gun nuts'
oneeyedjack909
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So Obama has made some rather inflammatory remarks about us "gun nuts"
This is a thread to discuss the current state of the 2nd amendment in this country and the views of the people on this topic.
I personally enjoy hunting and sport shooting myself but I believe in the people’s right to have a weapon that is designated as one that is not for sporting use. I believe the term being passed around is 'assault weapon'. Why? because the 2nd amendment wasn't designed so that we could go out and hunt and enjoy shooting competitions. It was written by a group of revolutionaries who by today’s standards would be probably be called terrorists. It is in place to ensure the people’s right to remain free by force, if necessary, when all other means have been exhausted. The founding fathers didn’t have sporting uses in mind when they wrote it. They had just fought a violent and bloody revolution to establish themselves as free men and wanted future generations to be able to do the same if and (according to more radical supporters like Thomas Jefferson) when the need should arise again to throw off the yolk of oppression from both foreign and domestic enemies.
Now I'm not saying that the current state of things is cause for revolution but the beginning of every genocidal and oppressive regime in history has began with the disarming of its citizens. I want this right to remain in American hands as unabridged as possible. After all, the people should not fear their governments but rather the other way around.
PHILADELPHIA - When controversial comments made by Barack Obama's fiery former pastor surfaced recently, the Democratic front-runner stood in front of cameras and gave what many consider a landmark speech on race.
The effect of the speech was in some ways to shift the debate away from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- so that instead of talking about the pastor's words, many people instead were talking about Obama's.
Over the past four days, the Illinois senator's words -- this time, about "bitter" small-town Americans -- have moved to center stage. Rather than address this controversy in a single speech, Obama has so far chosen to give evolving explanations of his remarks since Friday, and his campaign insists no such speech is in the offing.
Obama also tried to change the story line -- away from charges that he's an elitist to whether rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is a political opportunist, blasting her Saturday shot-and-a-beer photo op as an example of old say-anything-to-win politics
He basically called 2nd amendment supporters backwards and "bitter". Apparently I am a hateful and ignorant individual because I support the people’s right to have and bear arms.The effect of the speech was in some ways to shift the debate away from the Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- so that instead of talking about the pastor's words, many people instead were talking about Obama's.
Over the past four days, the Illinois senator's words -- this time, about "bitter" small-town Americans -- have moved to center stage. Rather than address this controversy in a single speech, Obama has so far chosen to give evolving explanations of his remarks since Friday, and his campaign insists no such speech is in the offing.
Obama also tried to change the story line -- away from charges that he's an elitist to whether rival Hillary Rodham Clinton is a political opportunist, blasting her Saturday shot-and-a-beer photo op as an example of old say-anything-to-win politics
This is a thread to discuss the current state of the 2nd amendment in this country and the views of the people on this topic.
I personally enjoy hunting and sport shooting myself but I believe in the people’s right to have a weapon that is designated as one that is not for sporting use. I believe the term being passed around is 'assault weapon'. Why? because the 2nd amendment wasn't designed so that we could go out and hunt and enjoy shooting competitions. It was written by a group of revolutionaries who by today’s standards would be probably be called terrorists. It is in place to ensure the people’s right to remain free by force, if necessary, when all other means have been exhausted. The founding fathers didn’t have sporting uses in mind when they wrote it. They had just fought a violent and bloody revolution to establish themselves as free men and wanted future generations to be able to do the same if and (according to more radical supporters like Thomas Jefferson) when the need should arise again to throw off the yolk of oppression from both foreign and domestic enemies.
Now I'm not saying that the current state of things is cause for revolution but the beginning of every genocidal and oppressive regime in history has began with the disarming of its citizens. I want this right to remain in American hands as unabridged as possible. After all, the people should not fear their governments but rather the other way around.
"A mans first duty is to his conscience and honor"- Mark Twain
"Those who are willing to give up essential liberties for a little safety diserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin
"Those who are willing to give up essential liberties for a little safety diserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin
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Them there ones. The ones who did the thing. 9/11.
For that reason I draw the line at handguns and hunting rifles, and support a ban on automatic weapons. Weapons in which people can still defend themselves if they must, but they can't slaughter everyone around them at will.
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Do you really, truly think that the difference between Democrats and Republicans is that huge?
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Because poor people are stupid?
why have the cow when you can give it away for free?
"Those who are willing to give up essential liberties for a little safety diserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin
Attempting to justify gun ownership as a means of protecting yourself from an oppressive government is just plain dumb.
This is a rather dangerous sport.
While I don't support them I will use the IRA as an example here. They have made many successes against the 'first class military' they were fighting. At least, they said they were successes.
"Those who are willing to give up essential liberties for a little safety diserve neither liberty nor safety"-Benjamin Franklin
The ability to overthrow the government?
but they're listening to every word I say
Word. I don't know why they would at any income.
but they're listening to every word I say
Haha, good luck with that.
About the same as an M1A. You could probably hunt with it, but honestly no hunter needs a 20 round clip. Mostly the weapon is popular because it's a converted military weapon and - you know - gun nuts.
Sucks that there's no way to restrict who can buy what kinds of guns without just banning them outright. Sucks that Obama won't have nearly the momentum necessary to change gun-control laws anyway, too.
You've gotten it a bit wrong. It's not that 2nd amendment supporters are bitter. It's that voters in small town America (specifically) are bitter because the major issues in their lives - jobs, health care, etc. - are talked about by politicians but are quickly forgotten by those politicians once they are elected to office. These voters have come to learn that they cannot count on politicians for these major things. That's why they're bitter, and that's why they now vote on smaller issues like abortion and gun control instead.
True, Obama didn't say this as well as he should have the first time, but he has come out repeadedly since then and clarified his position.
Fun? Not as much fun as a full-auto AK-47, though.
(I feel a strange sense of déjà vu here)
So where do you draw the line?
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Personally, I'm for gun licenses and so forth, like we have for hunting. You have to prove that you are of sound mind and body such that you are not an outright danger to society.
There is no need for something beyond a semi-auto in any non-controlled situation. Hunters don't need full-auto, but semi-auto is pretty valuable to make sure a bad shot doesn't lead to extensive animal suffering. Neither does self-protection require full-auto.
Canada, as per that Alan Moore thing, apparently has more guns per person, but is just fine with'em, so whatever they do should probably be considered.
I'll be pretty annoyed if they get rid of cool things like the shooting range with Wild West decor, but I'm fine with them trying to limit the guys acting like they are in some kind of action movie that I've seen.
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Guns just make it like, ten times easier."
And he referred not to people merely owning guns, but clinging to guns. You know the type: the crazy guys with the AK-47s and the M1As who are obsessed with gun rights to the point where the second amendment is the only thing they think about and the only thing they vote on. You know, the guys who are compensating.
There was also at least one incident where he had to cock his rifle to scare off the known criminals who were walking around on our property. Our property being five acres of dirt and trees, while there is a nice road in front of it, meaning that they had no reason to be in the MIDDLE of it. And with, you know, me, my sister, and my mom all sleeping soundly.
Guns are pretty fricking important, even if only to make people CONSIDER whether they want to take the risk that someone is carrying.
What do you thinkarmed robberies are commited with? Plenty of the most exposed crimes are commited with hunting rifles and hand guns.
Yeah, this is my whole thing. Guns are enablers.
Show me a study that says gun owners are less likely to be the victim of a crime and I'll show you five that exibit how the mere availability of guns increases the lethality of any otherwise mundane bar fight, street altercation, etc.
I know someone who is a gun nut, and was part of an incredibly retarded debate between him and this other kid who was equating owning a handgun to having a nuclear bomb in your house. It sucks because he is into firearms like some people are into computers, vinyl records, stamps, gardening, cats, whatever, just his hobby can kill people.
I think the rights of people not to get mowed down by assault rifles outweighs his right to have something he thinks is really cool. It sucks for him and other gun enthusiasts, but there's not a whole lot you can do.