The PS2 brought in the most revenue for EA in home consoles, the PS3 for current gen consoles and the PSP brought in the most revenue for handhelds....
lolsony
Huh?
Me thinks you're reading the chart wrong. That last column is year over year growth, which yeah the PS3 and PSP vastly improved on. But they're still losing to other platforms.
The PS2 brought in the most revenue for EA in home consoles, the PS3 for current gen consoles and the PSP brought in the most revenue for handhelds....
lolsony
Huh?
Me thinks you're reading the chart wrong. That last column is year over year growth, which yeah the PS3 and PSP vastly improved on. But they're still losing to other platforms.
From what I read from the chart the Q4 numbers are revenue in millions. The percentages on the far right are YoY percentages.
Clarification: The Q4 chart reads the PS3 as bringing in 152 million dollars of revenue in Q4, the 360 128 million and the Wii 75 million.
Therefore the PS3 brought more revenue to EA than the 360 or Wii in Q4. Am I reading it wrong?
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The PS2 brought in the most revenue for EA in home consoles, the PS3 for current gen consoles and the PSP brought in the most revenue for handhelds....
lolsony
Huh?
Me thinks you're reading the chart wrong. That last column is year over year growth, which yeah the PS3 and PSP vastly improved on. But they're still losing to other platforms.
From what I read from the chart the Q4 numbers are revenue in millions. The percentages on the far right are YoY percentages.
Clarification: The Q4 chart reads the PS3 as bringing in 152 million dollars of revenue in Q4, the 360 128 million and the Wii 75 million.
Therefore the PS3 brought more revenue to EA than the 360 or Wii in Q4. Am I reading it wrong?
Ahh, no. Your original quote didn't mention "Q4". I thought you were referring to the entire year.
Anyway, data for just one quarter IMHO isn't terribly interesting by itself, if you're looking for platform comparisons. So much depends on what titles released when. *shrugs*
The PS2 brought in the most revenue for EA in home consoles, the PS3 for current gen consoles and the PSP brought in the most revenue for handhelds....
lolsony
Huh?
Me thinks you're reading the chart wrong. That last column is year over year growth, which yeah the PS3 and PSP vastly improved on. But they're still losing to other platforms.
From what I read from the chart the Q4 numbers are revenue in millions. The percentages on the far right are YoY percentages.
Clarification: The Q4 chart reads the PS3 as bringing in 152 million dollars of revenue in Q4, the 360 128 million and the Wii 75 million.
Therefore the PS3 brought more revenue to EA than the 360 or Wii in Q4. Am I reading it wrong?
Ahh, no. Your original quote didn't mention "Q4". I thought you were referring to the entire year.
Anyway, data for just one quarter IMHO isn't terribly interesting by itself, if you're looking for platform comparisons. So much depends on what titles released when. *shrugs*
Okay, just making sure I wasn't crazy/retarded.
And as a playstation fan, any good news is worth mentioning... espeically when it comes to software sales and one of gamings biggest publishers. The YoY increases for everything related to the PS3 and its runty little sidekick the PSP has been 3 digit increases lately it seems. Good signs for the platform indeed.
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And as a playstation fan, any good news is worth mentioning... espeically when it comes to software sales and one of gamings biggest publishers. The YoY increases for everything related to the PS3 and its runty little sidekick the PSP has been 3 digit increases lately it seems. Good signs for the platform indeed.
Sony should hire you for their Marketing department. You certainly know how to spin any news positively. ;-)
And as a playstation fan, any good news is worth mentioning... espeically when it comes to software sales and one of gamings biggest publishers. The YoY increases for everything related to the PS3 and its runty little sidekick the PSP has been 3 digit increases lately it seems. Good signs for the platform indeed.
Sony should hire you for their Marketing department. You certainly know how to spin any news positively. ;-)
No need to spin this though... its clearly good news. The only spin could come from people trying to downplay it.
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In its call with investors following Q4 and 2008 fiscal year results, EA executives revealed that Harmonix/MTV's Rock Band has sold more than 1.5 million copies during the quarter
In its coming year, EA execs said the company plans to release some 55 games, including 30 for PS3 and Xbox 360, over 20 for the Wii, 18 for the DS, eight for the PSP, 30 for the PC, and 15 for the PS2.
That includes the previously reported new Sim Animals franchise, and a 20th anniversary edition of Madden, which will utilize what CEO John Riccitiello called a "holographic interface" -- but added no further details on what precisely that meant.
Asked to comment on the state of the PC gaming industry, Riccitiello admitted that "the box side" of PC gaming is "soft," and has been soft for some time. "Were it not for Sims and World of Warcraft," he added, "it'd be a pretty dismal sector."
However, he was quick to add that subscription, microtransaction, and casual based businesses are centered on the PC, and with that factored in, the platform has been "growing for several years," but was being somewhat ignored and "categorized wrongly by looking at the box side."
Finally, asked to comment on ongoing negotiations to acquire Take-Two, Riccitiello added that while there was very little he could say, the current $25.74/share, roughly $2 billion valuation, contrary to Take-Two's statements, "fully took into account Grant Theft Auto 4," which he praised as a "spectacular game."
As far as next steps went, Riccitiello said EA is currently working with the Federal Trade Commission on the deal, adding that "we don't believe our proposal is anti-competitive," but said the "timing is in their hands."
The Japanese economy was looking up for Sega Sammy early in its fiscal year, but the second half was hit by uncertainty because of the sub-prime loan crisis and increases in fuel and food prices in the U.S.
Sega said the uncertainty led to a period of "major transition" for the pachislot and pachinko industry, Sega Sammy's key market. Net sales in the segment were down 31.5 percent to 146.5 billion yen ($1.4 billion) for the year.
Overall sales for the Japan-based firm were 469 billion yen, a fall of 13 percent for the year ended March 31.
Operating loss for the company across all segments was 5.8 billion yen, while net loss was 52.5 billion yen.
Sales in Sega Sammy's consumer segment (videogame software and toy sales) were 142.3 billion yen, up 18.7 percent year-on-year, but the segment posted an operating loss of 6 billion yen.
Total software unit sales were 27 million copies for the year, up 5.7 million copies year-on-year, driven by Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games.
Japan sales were down, but the latest title in the Ryu Ga Gotoku series (Yakuza in the U.S.), Ryu Ga Gotoku Kenzan!, achieved "a measure of popularity" in the region.
Sega Sammy expects current fiscal year sales of 470 billion yen, an increase of 2.4 percent year-on-year, consolidated operating income of 15 billion yen and net income of 5 billion yen.
"The business in the European and North American consumer markets is expected to show healthy growth again in the current fiscal year," Sega stated.
Hahah. The PC box side of things "soft?" A few weeks ago EA sports' peter moore said that they weren't going to bring the latest Madden to the PC "because piracy is so bad" and that too few honest users buy the game to make it worth the cost of porting to PC.
I thought the box side of PC games is soft. Lots of people have admitted that. But they (including Riccitiello) also notice that the growth has come from alternative business models: digital distribution, subscription services, ad-supported, and micro-transactions. The old "PC retail box" model is better served on consoles, or at least multi-platform.
I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I know change scares a lot of people, but it has to happen. I think the stuff that's happening with Steam, MMOs, Battlefield: Heroes, etc. is a good thing.
Oh, I just thought it was funny that they're phrasing it in this manner after having said (it was peter moore, not j.r.) a few weeks ago:
Piracy's a big issue on the PC. I can't turn a blind eye to the fact that it's very difficult for us...and we lose money making a game. At some point, I have an obligation not to bring out products that lose money.
This was in response to asking why EA wasn't going to bring Madden 2009 to the PC.
What are the dates for the quarters? The PS3 version of the Orange Box came out later than the 360 version.
Nope, according to the EA Q4 Financials Release, both the 360 and PS3 had 4 games released in Q4 (Army of Two, Burnout Paradise, Fifa Street 3 and NFL Tour).
-New fiscal year records were achieved for consolidated sales and net income.
-Consolidated operating income for the current year was more than five times the prior year and the second highest in Sony´s history.
-Sony plans to increase its regular annual dividend by ¥15 to ¥40 and to issue a special cash dividend of ¥10 per share,which would result in a total annual dividend of ¥50 (FY08)
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-- Consolidated Financial Results (FY07)
Operating revenue rose 6.9% to $88.71 billion
Operating income rose 421.9% to $3.74 billion
Net income increased 192.4 % to $3.69 billion
Sony Computer Entertainment
-- Financial Results (FY07)
Operating revenue rose 26.3% to $12.84 billion
Operating loss decreased from $1.97 billion to $1.24 billion
The significant decrease in operating loss in the current fiscal year was due to a decrease in operating loss of the PS3 business as a result succesful PS3 hardware cost reductions and increase of sales of PS3 software as well as the strong performance of the PS3 business. Profit was recorded in the second half of FY07.
Hmm those numbers are slightly off. The report says 9.24m PS3s were sold in FY07, which they state is an increase over last year of 5.63m, meaning 3.61m were sold in FY06. 3.61 and 9.24 add up to 12.85, not 12.81. I want to make sure Sony gets credit for those extra 40k PS3s sold!
Similarly I get 71.2m for PS3 software, not 71.3m. Whatever.
Attach rates:
PS2: 10.6
PSP: 4
PS3: 5.54
edit: also, while the gaming division recorded a net loss of $1.24 billion for the year, the report says they were profitable in the last 2 quarters. So everyone's profitable now! THE WAR CAN END.
edit edit: wait, they project 10m PS3 sales in FY08? They just sold 9.24m in FY07, that's not much of an expected increase. If you remember in January they changed their FY07 forecast from 11m to 9.5m so looks like they knew what they were doing.
Hmm those numbers are slightly off. The report says 9.24m PS3s were sold in FY07, which they state is an increase over last year of 5.63m, meaning 3.61m were sold in FY06. 3.61 and 9.24 add up to 12.85, not 12.81. I want to make sure Sony gets credit for those extra 40k PS3s sold!
Similarly I get 71.2m for PS3 software, not 71.3m. Whatever.
Attach rates:
PS2: 10.6
PSP: 4
PS3: 5.54
edit: also, while the gaming division recorded a net loss of $1.24 billion for the year, the report says they were profitable in the last 2 quarters. So everyone's profitable now! THE WAR CAN END.
edit edit: wait, they project 10m PS3 sales in FY08? They just sold 9.24m in FY07, that's not much of an expected increase. If you remember in January they changed their FY07 forecast from 11m to 9.5m so looks like they knew what they were doing.
This part might explain the discrepancies you noticed:
Beginning with the quarter ended June 30, 2007, the method of reporting hardware and software sales has been changed from production shipments to recorded sales.
As for their projections, they'll just change them later in the year so it's not really a big issue. In their FY06 Forecasts they predicted that they'd only sell 9 million PSP's and 10 million PS2's...
I'm somewhat dabbling with the local NYC games industry, and they've just put out a report on the state of the fledgling industry in New York. Fairly comprehensive, and an interesting peek behind the curtain.
Goddamn, Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G hit two million in Japan. That's huge. It may wind up being the best-selling game there this year. Well, one of them, anyway.
First person to make a 9000 joke dies. I can't wait for the Wiifit and PS3 sales streams to cross.
Why? They aren't in competition comparing them doesn't really make any sense.
So Orange Box didn't come out in Q4 for ps3? I thought it did.... PS3 software sales beating xbox came from Burnout? Nah, I still think its Orange Box because if it didn't come out in Q4 it probably came out at the very end of Q3.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
... I can't wait for the Wiifit and PS3 sales streams to cross.
Why? They aren't in competition comparing them doesn't really make any sense.
Oh, but they are:
For a peripheral to outsell a rival system is nearly unheard-of and this is a really expensive peripheral. It also effectively turns the Wii into what amounts to another platform, so you get Wii games and Wii+BB games as separate listings (eventually maybe).
Think about this; if the BB has sold as many units as the PS3, and it amounts to a fourth platform because of how radically it alters the input-space and because of its price, then it definitely is in almost direct competition with the PS3. And the 360. Both for "mindshare" amongst the gaming public and for development resources.
So the comparison does make sense and could change the nature of the game considerably. At least in Japan and maybe in the other territories.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
Of course it does. A Console being outsold by a peripheral? That's embarrassing.
Its not a peripheral its a game with peripheral... Why don't aren't we comparing Guitar Hero to PS3, I think that sold more too. Also this really is a pretty lame comparison because most people buying wii fit as a excersise/fitness machine, much like an ab crucher or some other thing you see on an infomercial. Why not compare nautilus sales to ps3? Just doesn't make sense to me.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
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No one is making games specifically to support the Guitar Hero controller. Meanwhile, there are something like a dozen games now in development for the balance board.
Yeah, i'm failing to see the big deal. Hasn't Wii Play already sold more than the PS3 in Japan? And just counting peripherals, I would guess the dual shock sold much more than the gamecube, though I'm not sure how to go about looking for numbers.
No one is making games specifically to support the Guitar Hero controller. Meanwhile, there are something like a dozen games now in development for the balance board.
I'm sure there are, but I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of those sales are people buying it strictly as an fitness program and don't even realize other games will come out for it.
Yeah, i'm failing to see the big deal. Hasn't Wii Play already sold more than the PS3 in Japan? And just counting peripherals, I would guess the dual shock sold much more than the gamecube, though I'm not sure how to go about looking for numbers.
So its just not me. I'm just concerned that some of the NeoGAF mentality/stupidity is starting to spill over into this forum.
I’ll tell you what happens in Demon’s Souls when you die. You come back as a ghost with your health capped at half. And when you keep on dying, the alignment of the world turns black and the enemies get harder. That’s right, when you fail in this game, it gets harder. Why? Because fuck you is why.
No one is making games specifically to support the Guitar Hero controller. Meanwhile, there are something like a dozen games now in development for the balance board.
Exactly. It's like Nintendo has released ANOTHER system, just so they can really rub it in Sony's faces.
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I think you underestimate just how many people are buying it purely because some of the applications look fun. We Ski is ranked #14 at Amazon with Wii Fit itself at #16, but to be fair, its because Wii Fit isnt currently available to be ordered.
I'm definitely going to be giving every game that supports it a good look. For each additional game I buy, it is coming directly at the expense of buying other games.
Yeah, i'm failing to see the big deal. Hasn't Wii Play already sold more than the PS3 in Japan? And just counting peripherals, I would guess the dual shock sold much more than the gamecube, though I'm not sure how to go about looking for numbers.
Those are controllers for the system that work for any game.
Lucky for Gaf this is the perfect week for Wiifit to outsell PS3. The NPD numbers will bury the news and the mass suicide of Gaffers won't happen. They'll simply wake up from their drunken stupor that is NPD week and cry softly for gaming.
I've been lurking the sales-age portion of GAF for a long time and Nintendo success has basically driven out most of the really anti Nintendo people. It was very amusing to watch actually.
First person to make a 9000 joke dies. I can't wait for the Wiifit and PS3 sales streams to cross.
Why? They aren't in competition comparing them doesn't really make any sense.
Of course it does. A Console being outsold by a peripheral? That's epic.
No.. thats retarded. I can almost garuntee that more wiimotes have been sold than all 3 consoles combined. Probably more spare 360 controllers or sixxaxis controllers have been sold than Wiis... so what?
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Huh?
Me thinks you're reading the chart wrong. That last column is year over year growth, which yeah the PS3 and PSP vastly improved on. But they're still losing to other platforms.
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From what I read from the chart the Q4 numbers are revenue in millions. The percentages on the far right are YoY percentages.
Clarification: The Q4 chart reads the PS3 as bringing in 152 million dollars of revenue in Q4, the 360 128 million and the Wii 75 million.
Therefore the PS3 brought more revenue to EA than the 360 or Wii in Q4. Am I reading it wrong?
Ahh, no. Your original quote didn't mention "Q4". I thought you were referring to the entire year.
Anyway, data for just one quarter IMHO isn't terribly interesting by itself, if you're looking for platform comparisons. So much depends on what titles released when. *shrugs*
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Okay, just making sure I wasn't crazy/retarded.
And as a playstation fan, any good news is worth mentioning... espeically when it comes to software sales and one of gamings biggest publishers. The YoY increases for everything related to the PS3 and its runty little sidekick the PSP has been 3 digit increases lately it seems. Good signs for the platform indeed.
Sony should hire you for their Marketing department. You certainly know how to spin any news positively. ;-)
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No need to spin this though... its clearly good news. The only spin could come from people trying to downplay it.
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I don't think that's a bad thing at all. I know change scares a lot of people, but it has to happen. I think the stuff that's happening with Steam, MMOs, Battlefield: Heroes, etc. is a good thing.
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This was in response to asking why EA wasn't going to bring Madden 2009 to the PC.
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Nope, according to the EA Q4 Financials Release, both the 360 and PS3 had 4 games released in Q4 (Army of Two, Burnout Paradise, Fifa Street 3 and NFL Tour).
Well their PSP lineup isn't exactly a winner...
Anyway, I added up their Q1-Q4 2007 revenue and got this (in millions):
The PC numbers would be impressive if 80% of it wasn't from the Sims...
Similarly I get 71.2m for PS3 software, not 71.3m. Whatever.
Attach rates:
PS2: 10.6
PSP: 4
PS3: 5.54
edit: also, while the gaming division recorded a net loss of $1.24 billion for the year, the report says they were profitable in the last 2 quarters. So everyone's profitable now! THE WAR CAN END.
edit edit: wait, they project 10m PS3 sales in FY08? They just sold 9.24m in FY07, that's not much of an expected increase. If you remember in January they changed their FY07 forecast from 11m to 9.5m so looks like they knew what they were doing.
This part might explain the discrepancies you noticed:
As for their projections, they'll just change them later in the year so it's not really a big issue. In their FY06 Forecasts they predicted that they'd only sell 9 million PSP's and 10 million PS2's...
I'm somewhat dabbling with the local NYC games industry, and they've just put out a report on the state of the fledgling industry in New York. Fairly comprehensive, and an interesting peek behind the curtain.
PSP: 73.000
Wii: 71.000
DSL: 48.000
PS3: 8.500
PS2: 8.000
360: 1.700
1. Mario Kart Wii (Wii) 119.000 [1.249.000]
2. Monster Hunter Portable 2nd G (PSP) 95.000 [2.065.000]
3. Wii Fit (Wii) 64.000 [2.003.000]
4. Link's Crossbow Training (Wii) 50.000 [140.000]
5. Meccha Taiko Drum Master DS: Adventure in Seven Islands (DS) 34.000 [135.000]
6. Pokémon Ranger: Batonnage (DS) 28.000 [521.000]
7. Mario Kart DS (DS) 26.000 [3.033.000]
8. Wii Sports (Wii) 21.000 [2.925.000]
9. Wii Play (Wii) 18.000 [2.338.000]
10. We're Fossil Diggers (DS) 14.000 [105.000]
11. Deca Sporta (Wii) 13.000 [175.000]
12. DS Beautiful Letter Training (DS) 13.000 [223.000]
13. Musou Orochi: Maou Sairin (PS2) 13.000 [360.000]
14. Emblem of Gundam (DS) 12.000 [35.000]
15. Valkyrie of the Battlefield: Gallian Chronicles (PS3) 12.000 [113.000]
16. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii) 11.000 [1.634.000]
17. Mario Party DS (DS) 11.000 [1.702.000]
18. Pro Baseball Sprits 5 (PS2) 10.000 [157.000]
19. New Super Mario Bros. (DS) 9.000 [5.170.000]
20.
21.
22. Yoiko's Life on an Uninhabited Island (DS) 8.100 [89.000]
23. Sight Training (DS) 7.700 [857.000]
25. Taiko Drum Master DS (DS) 6.800 [390.000]
26.
27. Sim City DS 2 (DS) 6.200 [125.000]
28. Nihon no Asoko de (PSP) 6.200 [16.000]
29. Crayon Shin-chan: Arashi wo Yobu Cinema Land (DS) 5.800 [85.000]
30. Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS) 5.700 [4.654.000]
In related news, the number of titles that have balance board support is quickly catching up to the number of titles that interest me on the PS3 :P
Why? They aren't in competition comparing them doesn't really make any sense.
So Orange Box didn't come out in Q4 for ps3? I thought it did.... PS3 software sales beating xbox came from Burnout? Nah, I still think its Orange Box because if it didn't come out in Q4 it probably came out at the very end of Q3.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
Of course it does. A Console being outsold by a peripheral? That's epic.
For a peripheral to outsell a rival system is nearly unheard-of and this is a really expensive peripheral. It also effectively turns the Wii into what amounts to another platform, so you get Wii games and Wii+BB games as separate listings (eventually maybe).
Think about this; if the BB has sold as many units as the PS3, and it amounts to a fourth platform because of how radically it alters the input-space and because of its price, then it definitely is in almost direct competition with the PS3. And the 360. Both for "mindshare" amongst the gaming public and for development resources.
So the comparison does make sense and could change the nature of the game considerably. At least in Japan and maybe in the other territories.
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Ah, well glad I don't read GAF, retard fanboys are so tiresome.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
You obviously don't frequent NeoGAF sales-age threads. The sales-agers have been rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation of this for months now.
(Where do you think the chart came from?)
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There's that, plus the people who take Nintendo succeeding at anything as a personal insult, the end of western civilization, or both.
NeoGAF will kill your brain.
Its not a peripheral its a game with peripheral... Why don't aren't we comparing Guitar Hero to PS3, I think that sold more too. Also this really is a pretty lame comparison because most people buying wii fit as a excersise/fitness machine, much like an ab crucher or some other thing you see on an infomercial. Why not compare nautilus sales to ps3? Just doesn't make sense to me.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
I'm sure there are, but I'm willing to bet that at least 60% of those sales are people buying it strictly as an fitness program and don't even realize other games will come out for it.
So its just not me. I'm just concerned that some of the NeoGAF mentality/stupidity is starting to spill over into this forum.
Let me tell you about Demon's Souls....
Exactly. It's like Nintendo has released ANOTHER system, just so they can really rub it in Sony's faces.
I'm definitely going to be giving every game that supports it a good look. For each additional game I buy, it is coming directly at the expense of buying other games.
Those are controllers for the system that work for any game.
Lucky for Gaf this is the perfect week for Wiifit to outsell PS3. The NPD numbers will bury the news and the mass suicide of Gaffers won't happen. They'll simply wake up from their drunken stupor that is NPD week and cry softly for gaming.
No.. thats retarded. I can almost garuntee that more wiimotes have been sold than all 3 consoles combined. Probably more spare 360 controllers or sixxaxis controllers have been sold than Wiis... so what?