Quick, someone make a photoshop with Spiderman and Batman staring down each other! Marvel vs. DC would probaly outsell any game ever made. Just the annoucement of such a game would crash the internet.
This does not look necessarily bad.
I like the fighting-while-flying-through-the-air aspect.
kinda reminded me of the DBZ games.
My how the fighting game market has dried up when that comment is meant as a compliment.
That's the problem with the genre though. If you're not one of the established franchises, you aren't going to be able to put out something with the depth of Virtua Fighter right off the bat. How long has it been since a new challenger emerged as a legitimate threat to the fighting game crown?
As someone who really liked Deception though, I'll definitely give this a shot. The 3d MK games have been a good alternative to the more serious VFs and Tekkens of the world.
Well, VF was the first 3D fighter, so every 3D fighter since has drawn from it. Honestly, I'd say the premier fighting series right now are Virtua Fighter, Tekken, DoA, and Soul Calibur, with Capcom and SNK handling the 2D realm with their Street Fighting and King of Fighters games.
Fighting games like DBZ, or MK have felt second tier to me.
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...it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
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Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
...it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
Isn't that actually canon? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure friends have mentioned magic being Superman's weakness before.
...it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
So EVERY Mortal Kombat character uses magic?
And presumably you'll be able to have DC vs. DC fights. So now Batman uses magic too?
I mean really, don't try to explain something silly unless you're prepared to go the full distance.
Edit: Yeah, DC comics have said Supes is vulnerable to magic long before.
This does not look necessarily bad.
I like the fighting-while-flying-through-the-air aspect.
kinda reminded me of the DBZ games.
My how the fighting game market has dried up when that comment is meant as a compliment.
That's the problem with the genre though. If you're not one of the established franchises, you aren't going to be able to put out something with the depth of Virtua Fighter right off the bat. How long has it been since a new challenger emerged as a legitimate threat to the fighting game crown?
As someone who really liked Deception though, I'll definitely give this a shot. The 3d MK games have been a good alternative to the more serious VFs and Tekkens of the world.
Well, VF was the first 3D fighter, so every 3D fighter since has drawn from it. Honestly, I'd say the premier fighting series right now are Virtua Fighter, Tekken, DoA, and Soul Calibur, with Capcom and SNK handling the 2D realm with their Street Fighting and King of Fighters games.
Fighting games like DBZ, or MK have felt second tier to me.
I think that's always what they aimed for. It's fun to sit down and play for a few weeks, but it doesn't have the depth to keep you coming back like the big names.
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...it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
Because comic geeks will get mad without a valid reason their hero is getting beat down by some ninja douches who can't be bother to dress differently.
Forget the fact that comics contradict their own continuities all the fucking time, this is a very grave issue.
Maybe being in a magic-saturated realm weakens Superman?
I am perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief when it comes to a game series where people can fall hundreds of feet onto spikes and then get up for another round of fighting.
I reiterate: I really hate the "Superman is weak against magic excuse" because it's overturned whenever it's convenient. Actually, Superman's weaknesses in general are like that. Re: JLA/Avengers, Superboy Prime.
The best response Ed Boon could give about MK guys fighting superman would be "because they can."
Yeah - I'm of the school of thought that says, either give me a really well thought out explaination (being outside the DC Universe weakens Superman, the sun doesn't give off the proper rays, something) or just give me no explaination at all.
I just wish they'd realize there doesnt need to be a reason for any of this. Did Marvel vs. Capcom actually have a plot?
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I'm completely undecided on this. On the one hand, it's really weird to put DC characters into an MK game. On the other hand, that's the kind of absurdity that MK has always thrived on.
If they somehow actually create a plot within the MK canon that supports all this buffoonery, I'm in!
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Yeah - I'm of the school of thought that says, either give me a really well thought out explaination (being outside the DC Universe weakens Superman, the sun doesn't give off the proper rays, something) or just give me no explaination at all.
I just wish they'd realize there doesnt need to be a reason for any of this. Did Marvel vs. Capcom actually have a plot?
Not even a little bit, but for some reason when it comes to Superman people always need more of an explanation. Apparently Jill Valentine can kick the crap out of Thanos, but when it comes to Superman mythos, that shit needs accuracy.
Well, I'm pulling quite a bit since I haven't followed MK's story in a long time, but yes, every MK character was supposed to be magic. Or at least special.
Remember, the fighters in MK were the only people on earth who had a "special soul" which could not be taken. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to turn that into magic.
EDIT: Especially since it was a gift from the gods.
Except Kabal, I believe. I dont think he was supposed to be spared, but rather, he just survived his beatings.
I don't see why anyone would look for an explanation regarding how some of these characters can fight each other. Super-hero fighting games have never made sense in that regard, unless you really think that it hurts Iron Man to get kicked by Psylocke.
The game looks... meh. The trailer is pretty crappy, but if it comes out this fall they should have a lot more stuff to show us soon, no? Comic Con is this weekend, so I imagine we'll see a lot of stuff there. I'm sure DC Direct will whip up an action figure like for the occasion.
Well, I'm pulling quite a bit since I haven't followed MK's story in a long time, but yes, every MK character was supposed to be magic. Or at least special.
Remember, the fighters in MK were the only people on earth who had a "special soul" which could not be taken. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to turn that into magic.
Also, Taven's ending in the last game had a lot of magical power being transferred to practically every fighter present. This could either mean all of them are just stronger then before, or they even gained powers they would have gotten in their own endings.
The best response Ed Boon could give about MK guys fighting superman would be "because they can."
Seriously. Who the hell cares why they can beat up Superman. There's already a ton of crazy shit going on in the MK series alone, and no one has complained.
I for one can't wait, as soon as I saw this I picked up the phone call a friend that i've always played MK with (I own almost every MK game) and he was like wtf that doesn't make sense but it is so awesome. I mean who cares if no single part of the game makes sense. It's still going to be fun as hell. Man I hope they have a shit loads of characters like they did in Armageddon. It's going to be sick!
...it helps make a conflict between Superman, whose only vulnerability is magic, and characters like Sub-Zero and Scorpion, actually make some sense.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
Isn't that actually canon? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure friends have mentioned magic being Superman's weakness before.
I thought it was stupid then, too.
It's not that Superman is weak to magic, it's that it has the same effect on him as the average joe. It SEEMS like a weakness when compated to physical methods of fighting Supes that are mostly ineffective against his incredible resilience.
With the release of this game, I feel like the comic book/fighting game cross-over genre will have come full circle.
Now, all we need is a Smash Bros style game. But instead of the usual gambit of cartoony characters, we need characters from games that have a much more mature tone to them. For instance, those swat guys from Rainbow 6 take on that asshole from God Of War. You know, the main character.
With the release of this game, I feel like the comic book/fighting game cross-over genre will have come full circle.
Now, all we need is a Smash Bros style game. But instead of the usual gambit of cartoony characters, we need characters from games that have a much more mature tone to them. For instance, those swat guys from Rainbow 6 take on that asshole from God Of War. You know, the main character.
With the release of this game, I feel like the comic book/fighting game cross-over genre will have come full circle.
Now, all we need is a Smash Bros style game. But instead of the usual gambit of cartoony characters, we need characters from games that have a much more mature tone to them. For instance, those swat guys from Rainbow 6 take on that asshole from God Of War. You know, the main character.
Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden?
"Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden?
"Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
So, how big a roster are we looking at here? I'm assuming a 1:1 ratio between MK and DC characters.
In the last MK game, they tried to cram every single MK character ever into it and I think it topped out with 60-something characters.
Do you think they'll try to cover their gameplay flaws with a huge amazing roster again, or tone it down to like 10 or each and actually try to fine tune it?
Being Midway, I'm leaning towards the former. Actually, I'm kind of hoping for that as well. It's gameplay is going to be trashed anyways by virtue of being MK (whether those people play it or not), so might as well go with a WhoaOMG roster. Besides, 30+ DC characters increases Cassandra Cain's odds of making the cut.
Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden? "Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
That acutally works really well...I hadn't thought of that. They should either do the "It's a game and we can do what we want" or that point you just made
Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden?
"Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
What if, like, Outworld had an orange sun. So Superman would be greatly depowered, but still more than a normal human being.
Video Interview with Ed Boon wherein he tries to explain the batshit crazy storyline the game follows and also how anyone could possibly fight Superman (it's magic!).
Superman isn't fucking weak against magic.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden?
"Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
I just want villians on the roster so I can be Gorilla Grodd.
Hell Yes. I play VS TCG, and owned my buddy with a Secret Society deck built around gorilla grodd, then went and beat him at mario strikers with DK, then played smash and owned him with DK again. I need one more medium to assert my ape dominance over him.
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Per Wikipedia, apparently Marvel vs Capcom 2 did have a plot...
When the earth and everything on it begins to die, Ruby Heart traces the source to an evil being known as Abyss, the Armor of Erosion. She summons the greatest heroes to her airship to find the being. Ultimately, its source of power is revealed to be a mysterious black metal ball within its center.
The ending suggests that the sphere may be worthless now given the massive crack in it; Ruby holds it in her hand and regards it briefly before throwing it over her back into the water, letting it sink to the bottom. It is not stated if Abyss could return or not.
I played that game constantly, and although its been about a year since I popped it in, I remember none of that. I just remember my Iceman/Cable/Venom team was so hard to beat.
EDIT: Upon further reading, I do remember the Pirate ship lady and the final boss, but I had no idea that boss' name, and never paid any attention to the pirate lady. Bottom line? MK vs. DC needs to be trying to make less sense.
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There's no Hadouken's in this game, nor has there been in any Mortal Kombat, therefore it is fucking boring and the gameplay mechanics are awful.
Last thing I want is a chance to finally play Batman as a fighting game character, only to have to hold back for 5+ seconds and then forward punch/kick/block.
Per Wikipedia, apparently Marvel vs Capcom 2 did have a plot...
When the earth and everything on it begins to die, Ruby Heart traces the source to an evil being known as Abyss, the Armor of Erosion. She summons the greatest heroes to her airship to find the being. Ultimately, its source of power is revealed to be a mysterious black metal ball within its center.
The ending suggests that the sphere may be worthless now given the massive crack in it; Ruby holds it in her hand and regards it briefly before throwing it over her back into the water, letting it sink to the bottom. It is not stated if Abyss could return or not.
I played that game constantly, and although its been about a year since I popped it in, I remember none of that. I just remember my Iceman/Cable/Venom team was so hard to beat.
EDIT: Upon further reading, I do remember the Pirate ship lady and the final boss, but I had no idea that boss' name, and never paid any attention to the pirate lady. Bottom line? MK vs. DC needs to be trying to make less sense.
Hell, I didn't realize there was a plot for Street Fighter until relatively recently.
I was perfectly happy without one. "Big burly guys and a chick with the world's biggest thighs decide to beat on each other, most of them fall over, the end."
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Well, VF was the first 3D fighter, so every 3D fighter since has drawn from it. Honestly, I'd say the premier fighting series right now are Virtua Fighter, Tekken, DoA, and Soul Calibur, with Capcom and SNK handling the 2D realm with their Street Fighting and King of Fighters games.
Fighting games like DBZ, or MK have felt second tier to me.
..Eh. It's just not the same.
Why cant they just say "We made this game because it's going to be awesome to kick Superman's ass with Sub Zero."!? Or say - "Hey, um...Kryptonite in thier gloves! Yeah! The MK world has Kryptonite all over it! Thats the ticket!"
But this making up shit about magic is stupid.
IF THOR CAN'T EVEN BEAT SUPERMAN WITH MAGIC MAGIC HAMMER, HIS MAGIC MAGIC SUPER STRENGTH, AND MAGIC MAGIC ELECTRICITY, NO ONE CAN. PERIOD. SORRY SHANG TSUNG, RAIDEN. YOU CAN'T.
God, I hate Superman.
Isn't that actually canon? I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure friends have mentioned magic being Superman's weakness before.
I thought it was stupid then, too.
So EVERY Mortal Kombat character uses magic?
And presumably you'll be able to have DC vs. DC fights. So now Batman uses magic too?
I mean really, don't try to explain something silly unless you're prepared to go the full distance.
Edit: Yeah, DC comics have said Supes is vulnerable to magic long before.
I think that's always what they aimed for. It's fun to sit down and play for a few weeks, but it doesn't have the depth to keep you coming back like the big names.
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Because comic geeks will get mad without a valid reason their hero is getting beat down by some ninja douches who can't be bother to dress differently.
Forget the fact that comics contradict their own continuities all the fucking time, this is a very grave issue.
I am perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief when it comes to a game series where people can fall hundreds of feet onto spikes and then get up for another round of fighting.
The best response Ed Boon could give about MK guys fighting superman would be "because they can."
I just wish they'd realize there doesnt need to be a reason for any of this. Did Marvel vs. Capcom actually have a plot?
If they somehow actually create a plot within the MK canon that supports all this buffoonery, I'm in!
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Not even a little bit, but for some reason when it comes to Superman people always need more of an explanation. Apparently Jill Valentine can kick the crap out of Thanos, but when it comes to Superman mythos, that shit needs accuracy.
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Well, I'm pulling quite a bit since I haven't followed MK's story in a long time, but yes, every MK character was supposed to be magic. Or at least special.
Remember, the fighters in MK were the only people on earth who had a "special soul" which could not be taken. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to turn that into magic.
EDIT: Especially since it was a gift from the gods.
Except Kabal, I believe. I dont think he was supposed to be spared, but rather, he just survived his beatings.
The game looks... meh. The trailer is pretty crappy, but if it comes out this fall they should have a lot more stuff to show us soon, no? Comic Con is this weekend, so I imagine we'll see a lot of stuff there. I'm sure DC Direct will whip up an action figure like for the occasion.
Seriously. Who the hell cares why they can beat up Superman. There's already a ton of crazy shit going on in the MK series alone, and no one has complained.
It's not that Superman is weak to magic, it's that it has the same effect on him as the average joe. It SEEMS like a weakness when compated to physical methods of fighting Supes that are mostly ineffective against his incredible resilience.
Now, all we need is a Smash Bros style game. But instead of the usual gambit of cartoony characters, we need characters from games that have a much more mature tone to them. For instance, those swat guys from Rainbow 6 take on that asshole from God Of War. You know, the main character.
Kratos, the God of War
Yeah, that's the ticket.
Thor can beat Superman.
And actually, Superman's not WEAK to Magic in the sense that, say, a Charizard is weak to a Water-attack. He's "weak" to it in the sense that he has no "super" defenses against it. Hit him with a magic blast and it'll hit just as hard as if he were a normal human.
Also, what the fuck is with this magic bullshit all of a sudden?
"Outworld has a red sun".
Bam.
Problem solved.
"Batman is like the DC counterpart of Sub Zero."
What the fuck? Where do you get this from?
I never asked for this!
In the last MK game, they tried to cram every single MK character ever into it and I think it topped out with 60-something characters.
Do you think they'll try to cover their gameplay flaws with a huge amazing roster again, or tone it down to like 10 or each and actually try to fine tune it?
Being Midway, I'm leaning towards the former. Actually, I'm kind of hoping for that as well. It's gameplay is going to be trashed anyways by virtue of being MK (whether those people play it or not), so might as well go with a WhoaOMG roster. Besides, 30+ DC characters increases Cassandra Cain's odds of making the cut.
That acutally works really well...I hadn't thought of that. They should either do the "It's a game and we can do what we want" or that point you just made
What if, like, Outworld had an orange sun. So Superman would be greatly depowered, but still more than a normal human being.
I love comic book logic.
also, I think my brain is leaking out of my nose.
I...what
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I played that game constantly, and although its been about a year since I popped it in, I remember none of that. I just remember my Iceman/Cable/Venom team was so hard to beat.
EDIT: Upon further reading, I do remember the Pirate ship lady and the final boss, but I had no idea that boss' name, and never paid any attention to the pirate lady. Bottom line? MK vs. DC needs to be trying to make less sense.
Last thing I want is a chance to finally play Batman as a fighting game character, only to have to hold back for 5+ seconds and then forward punch/kick/block.
<- + -> everything for fighting.
Hell, I didn't realize there was a plot for Street Fighter until relatively recently.
I was perfectly happy without one. "Big burly guys and a chick with the world's biggest thighs decide to beat on each other, most of them fall over, the end."