WoW is basically "Diablo II: The MMO" with a change in setting.
I see this all the time, and I have never understood it. Someone start explaining, because until proven otherwise, that statement is straight-up retarded.
Longtime Diablo/II/LoD and WoW fan. It's absolutely true.
Look, the thing that made Diablo just so gosh darned popular was that it was:
A) Accessible (that is, an easy to understand pick-up-and-play game)
Addictive ("must stay awake to beat Baal a 3rd time even though it's 3 a.m.")
C) Free to play online
WoW's gameplay is very similar (down to the skill trees for christ's sake) and not surprisingly, it's even more addictive than Diablo was. You can play it in short bursts, you're always looking for that "next shiny piece of loot" and you run dungeons killing bosses over and over until you get it. It's a pretty clear parallel.
While I'm not quite sitting at a cock-eating level of confidence that D3 won't see the light of day while WoW is profitable, I'm comfortable in that assumption. I just do not see how they could release it (and for damned sure not release it as an MMO) and not expect it to cannibalize their own profits with WoW.
Now, they could do something like release Diablo 3 as strictly a console game, and that would do two things:
1) Piss off the PC-exclusive gamers
2) Give them an entry into the one market they've yet to dominate
The latter is key, and I'm very sure that the execs at Activizzard and Vivendi are thinking about this very thing. How they go about doing that is another matter, but with Starcraft: Ghost dead and buried, I have to believe they're wanting something to fill that void, and they'll want a large franchise to do it.
WoW is basically "Diablo II: The MMO" with a change in setting.
I see this all the time, and I have never understood it. Someone start explaining, because until proven otherwise, that statement is straight-up retarded.
Longtime Diablo/II/LoD and WoW fan. It's absolutely true.
Look, the thing that made Diablo just so gosh darned popular was that it was:
A) Accessible (that is, an easy to understand pick-up-and-play game)
Addictive ("must stay awake to beat Baal a 3rd time even though it's 3 a.m.")
C) Free to play online
WoW's gameplay is very similar (down to the skill trees for christ's sake) and not surprisingly, it's even more addictive than Diablo was. You can play it in short bursts, you're always looking for that "next shiny piece of loot" and you run dungeons killing bosses over and over until you get it. It's a pretty clear parallel.
While I'm not quite sitting at a cock-eating level of confidence that D3 won't see the light of day while WoW is profitable, I'm comfortable in that assumption. I just do not see how they could release it (and for damned sure not release it as an MMO) and not expect it to cannibalize their own profits with WoW.
Now, they could do something like release Diablo 3 as strictly a console game, and that would do two things:
1) Piss off the PC-exclusive gamers
2) Give them an entry into the one market they've yet to dominate
The latter is key, and I'm very sure that the execs at Activizzard and Vivendi are thinking about this very thing. How they go about doing that is another matter, but with Starcraft: Ghost dead and buried, I have to believe they're wanting something to fill that void, and they'll want a large franchise to do it.
Starcraft Ghost would have made an awesome console, they should revive it from the dead...
WoW is basically "Diablo II: The MMO" with a change in setting.
I see this all the time, and I have never understood it. Someone start explaining, because until proven otherwise, that statement is straight-up retarded.
Longtime Diablo/II/LoD and WoW fan. It's absolutely true.
Look, the thing that made Diablo just so gosh darned popular was that it was:
A) Accessible (that is, an easy to understand pick-up-and-play game)
Addictive ("must stay awake to beat Baal a 3rd time even though it's 3 a.m.")
C) Free to play online
WoW's gameplay is very similar (down to the skill trees for christ's sake) and not surprisingly, it's even more addictive than Diablo was. You can play it in short bursts, you're always looking for that "next shiny piece of loot" and you run dungeons killing bosses over and over until you get it. It's a pretty clear parallel.
While I'm not quite sitting at a cock-eating level of confidence that D3 won't see the light of day while WoW is profitable, I'm comfortable in that assumption. I just do not see how they could release it (and for damned sure not release it as an MMO) and not expect it to cannibalize their own profits with WoW.
Now, they could do something like release Diablo 3 as strictly a console game, and that would do two things:
1) Piss off the PC-exclusive gamers
2) Give them an entry into the one market they've yet to dominate
The latter is key, and I'm very sure that the execs at Activizzard and Vivendi are thinking about this very thing. How they go about doing that is another matter, but with Starcraft: Ghost dead and buried, I have to believe they're wanting something to fill that void, and they'll want a large franchise to do it.
To that, you might as well say any game is a clone of D2. Skill trees? D2 clone. "Accessible"? D2 clone. They don't share free online.
Essentially, saying WoW is a D2 clone is exactly the same thing as saying any other MMO is a clone of D2.
WoW also has: arenas, BGs, skills you can get without the use of a skill tree, crafting, but that's copied straight from D2, or is simple D2++, right?
Also, that addictive thing is arguably the user's fault. It's addictive in that you'd want more gear, but, again, many many many games have gear to get. You know what? D2 is a clone of Dungeons and Dragons. In Dungeons and Dragons, you fight big monsters with multiple dudes, and often get gear. Obvious rip from D2. Assholes. In dungeons and Dragons, you have different talent branches to follow. Rip.
I am saying it is retarded to say D2 is a clone of WoW based on what you have stated, as those are common denominators of anything in the RPG genre.
Well there is a difference between being a "clone" and a sucessor. WoW is Diablo 2's spritual successor. A lot of what made Diablo 2 popular is in WoW. That's been said before, but if you can't see it on your own you never will.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
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To that, you might as well say any game is a clone of D2. Skill trees? D2 clone. "Accessible"? D2 clone. They don't share free online.
Essentially, saying WoW is a D2 clone is exactly the same thing as saying any other MMO is a clone of D2.
WoW also has: arenas, BGs, skills you can get without the use of a skill tree, crafting, but that's copied straight from D2, or is simple D2++, right?
Also, that addictive thing is arguably the user's fault. It's addictive in that you'd want more gear, but, again, many many many games have gear to get. You know what? D2 is a clone of Dungeons and Dragons. In Dungeons and Dragons, you fight big monsters with multiple dudes, and often get gear. Obvious rip from D2. Assholes. In dungeons and Dragons, you have different talent branches to follow. Rip.
I am saying it is retarded to say D2 is a clone of WoW based on what you have stated, as those are common denominators of anything in the RPG genre.
I don't think anyone said (or at least I didn't) that it was a D2 clone, what was stated was that WoW shares many of the same core characteristics as the gameplay in the Diablo series and given that it was released by the same company, would be a bit silly to release a sequel to a game whose main appeal is essentially already covered in WoW.
I'm not contesting that role playing games share many similarities, that's pretty obvious. I'm simply stating that there isn't a logical reason to develop and release a new entry in the Diablo series unless its gameplay differs wildly from "create character, kill things, level up/get new abilities, get shiny new loot, repeat", because they've already got that covered just fine in their flagship game. Again, the caveat to this would be if they were to release D3 as a console-exclusive game, because then they wouldn't have themselves to compete with.
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Diablo III the upcoming novel in which two networks merge, eh? Interesting....
THAT IS NOT HOW GRAMMAR WORKS!
Diablo: The movie doesn't really sound very Blizzard. They may make quite a substanital amount of wank, but I think they have the intelligence to know that a movie would be a bad idea.
Also, if anyone is gonna' wager my cock-eating then it's gonna' be me... Or a very close friend.
Well they seem to think a World of Warcraft movie is a good idea. At the very least they turned down Uwe Boll's offer to direct the movie. So maybe there is hope.
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Well there is a difference between being a "clone" and a sucessor. WoW is Diablo 2's spritual successor. A lot of what made Diablo 2 popular is in WoW. That's been said before, but if you can't see it on your own you never will.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
Don't you understand? They're wrong!
I can agree with spiritual successor, however, everyone uses the term clone, which would imply it is the same damn game.
Edit: Looking back on the phrasing, the terminology was "WoW is pretty much D3 with a change in setting", which sounds a hell of a lot like "clone" to me.
Well there is a difference between being a "clone" and a sucessor. WoW is Diablo 2's spritual successor. A lot of what made Diablo 2 popular is in WoW. That's been said before, but if you can't see it on your own you never will.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
Don't you understand? They're wrong!
I can agree with spiritual successor, however, everyone uses the term clone, which would imply it is the same damn game.
Dude, quit being a dick or get lost.
You care way too much about the particular wording; and you're acting as if you saying "They're wrong" is irrefutable fact.
I've played both and WoW simply feels a lot like D2X to me. Any list of similar features would prompt a useless argument over how said features are either a) not similar enough for the games to be lumped together or b) something present in every RPG and thus doesn't count.
But suffice to say, they are a lot alike and I think it's fairly obvious. The only additional thing I would've wanted is a necromancer with a ton of summons, but I think they learned from D2 lag and that's exactly why there's only one or two pets in WoW.
No one called a clone. People say it's similar because, well what do you know, it is. That's the point we are making, and Bama did a damn good job of spelling it out as well.
Kudos Bama. There would be very little difference in Diablo 3: The MMO than there would be in WoW.
Well there is a difference between being a "clone" and a sucessor. WoW is Diablo 2's spritual successor. A lot of what made Diablo 2 popular is in WoW. That's been said before, but if you can't see it on your own you never will.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
Don't you understand? They're wrong!
I can agree with spiritual successor, however, everyone uses the term clone, which would imply it is the same damn game.
Dude, quit being a dick or get lost.
You care way too much about the particular wording; and you're acting as if you saying "They're wrong" is irrefutable fact.
I was completely kidding with the "They're wrong" thing. Calm down yourself.
Edit: Look, I asked why people said it that way, and all of you have given me answers. I brought up what I through were good points (which mostly agree with Uncle Sporky saying that it's a useless argument), and you guys said enough to convince me that they are similar, and that's that.
Well there is a difference between being a "clone" and a sucessor. WoW is Diablo 2's spritual successor. A lot of what made Diablo 2 popular is in WoW. That's been said before, but if you can't see it on your own you never will.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
Don't you understand? They're wrong!
I can agree with spiritual successor, however, everyone uses the term clone, which would imply it is the same damn game.
Dude, quit being a dick or get lost.
You care way too much about the particular wording; and you're acting as if you saying "They're wrong" is irrefutable fact.
I was completely kidding with the "They're wrong" thing. Calm down yourself.
Unless you were "completely kidding" about the rest of your asinine crusade, it really doesn't matter.
And I am calm. I just get irritated by people like you.
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I think this man is going where I was trying to get at. Do I have to preface everything I say with "Not being a dick?"
Yeah, no shit. What the hell, what a waste of an announcement.
Wait:
Things the May 1 Announcement are not:
1. It is not an official announcement of Diablo 3
2. It is not about an upcoming Diablo novel
3. It is not a Network merge
Double negative. Could that mean it IS those 3?
How the hell is that a double negative?
But maybe it's an UNofficial anncouncement of DIablo 3! dun dun dun.
In Diablo, you take on hordes of enemies while keeping your health up either via mountains of potions or life drain effects.
In WoW, you fight enemies either one on one or as part of a team that uses standard MMO tank/damage/healer setup. Encounters are based around this setup, and have pretty much predefined methods of being completed.
WoW has a combat system based on auto attacks and cooldowns, diablo does not.
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
Well Ultima Online came out that same year if memory serves right. Besides I know a few people who still haven't played a MMO yet, but have spent years playing Diablo and Diablo II.
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edited April 2008
If the question is "what other MMOs have you played", then that would be Everquest and FFXI. Oh, and LotRO, though only briefly.
Yeah, no shit. What the hell, what a waste of an announcement.
Wait:
Things the May 1 Announcement are not:
1. It is not an official announcement of Diablo 3
2. It is not about an upcoming Diablo novel
3. It is not a Network merge
Double negative. Could that mean it IS those 3?
How the hell is that a double negative?
But maybe it's an UNofficial anncouncement of DIablo 3! dun dun dun.
Something like:
An affirmative constructed from two negatives; "A not unwelcome outcome" or "I'm not unhappy". It was really just a joke... Jesus everyone's so uptight in this thread. :P
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
Before Diablo 2, no. Before WoW, yes. Before WoW I played FFXI (loved it), Ultima (hated it), and Planetside (had potential, just never caught on). Since WoW, I've played LOTR online, which is almost exactly like WoW, so I stopped that after playing til level 5 because I didn't quit WoW to play WoW. I've also played EVE demo, which I regret because that game is terrible. I'm alright with point and click, but point and select from a menu... not for me.
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
Everquest came out in 99, and Diablo 2 came out in 2000. Also Ultima online was out before Diablo 2. There may be others, but I knew Everquest was out before Diablo 2.
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I played EQ before playing either Diablo games (I didn't try Diablo until shortly before DII's release) and over the years I've played Planetside, CoH, A Tale in the Desert, Shattered Galaxies, Puzzle Pirates, EVE, Guild Wars, FFXI, LotRO, and of course WoW.
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I played EQ before playing either Diablo games (I didn't try Diablo until shortly before DII's release) and over the years I've played Planetside, CoH, A Tale in the Desert, Shattered Galaxies, Puzzle Pirates, EVE, Guild Wars, FFXI, LotRO, and of course WoW.
I just wanted to see if the people who thought WoW is like Diablo had played an MMO before WoW. Or if they just played Diablo then WoW.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO. Its just done better and even that is an arguable point to some people.
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Yeah, no shit. What the hell, what a waste of an announcement.
Wait:
Things the May 1 Announcement are not:
1. It is not an official announcement of Diablo 3
2. It is not about an upcoming Diablo novel
3. It is not a Network merge
Double negative. Could that mean it IS those 3?
How the hell is that a double negative?
But maybe it's an UNofficial anncouncement of DIablo 3! dun dun dun.
Something like:
An affirmative constructed from two negatives; "A not unwelcome outcome" or "I'm not unhappy". It was really just a joke... Jesus everyone's so uptight in this thread. :P
Oh, I didn't notice that you bolded the " are not" part.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO.
I think it's pretty fair to say that WoW is more similar to Diablo II than to Planetside. However, (as I said earlier) what I'm getting at is not that WoW is Diablo II, but rather that WoW is (very close to) Diablo: The MMO. I guess you could argue that Guild Wars is closer.
The fact is that if someone wants to say it's retarded to compare WoW to a Diablo MMO, then they need to support the claim.
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I played EQ before playing either Diablo games (I didn't try Diablo until shortly before DII's release) and over the years I've played Planetside, CoH, A Tale in the Desert, Shattered Galaxies, Puzzle Pirates, EVE, Guild Wars, FFXI, LotRO, and of course WoW.
I just wanted to see if the people who thought WoW is like Diablo had played an MMO before WoW. Or if they just played Diablo then WoW.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO. Its just done better and even that is an arguable point to some people.
I think it'd be accurate to say WoW is what Diablo would be if they'd decided to make it an MMO.
WoW always seemed like an EQ clone inspired by Diablo 2 and then polished like crazy.
It comes up because when you people say "Blizzard will make a Diablo MMO!" it seems fairly redundant. What would be the difference between that and WoW.
In the past days there have been a lot of activity in the network sites after the countdown teaser. A few forum threads keep continuous debate between Diablo fans of what this announcement will be. I have given a few responses of what it is not, to make sure fans won't be thinking the wrong thing. We have made no claims and expect fans to not get caught up with the wave of speculations and rumors in the forums and the web to the point to believe them.
With that said, I will mention some of those I have ruled out since it seems fans haven't thoroughfully read all the forum posts in said thread.
Things the May 1 Announcement are not:
1. It is not an official announcement of Diablo 3
2. It is not about an upcoming Diablo novel
3. It is not a Network merge
Only Blizzard Entertainment may make an official announcement of games, unless we had a leak. However, we have no leaks. We know as much as you do whether or not there will or not be an announcement at the Blizzard Worldwide Invitationals. We do have our own set of theories such as the Blizzard Worldwide Invitationals ending the same day Diablo II was released (June 29 2000) and Diablo II: Lord of Destruction expansion being released (June 29, 2001). We will all have to wait and see what happens.
I have been open commenting there will be new Diablo novels. Richard A. Knaak commented on the video interview other writers might be writing new Diablo novels at some point. However, no new novels could justify a two weeks countdown teaser unless it was something that might be considered as a decent announcement.
As for rumors that this is all about a Network merger, I have to say no. As far as Umaro has told me, each site is independent. For example, this community is mostly Diablo news, content and upcoming interviews. StarcraftTwo will get at some point a face lift with a new layout and CMS to cover only Starcraft news, content and such. Blizzplanet will continue to do what it has always done: all games news, interviews, Blizzard product coverage and promo.
What the flip is the May 1st Announcement then?
Well, the answer will be unleashed that day. Not earlier.
Does Blizzard know?
I would say yes.
Is it about the Diablo II Patch?
Blizzard officially hinted of a Diablo II patch in an interview from China when the Zerg race was unveiled. I have stalked four Blizzard folks, and haven't gotten any updates at this time. I might be given a follow up, hopefully.
Is it about BlizzCast Episode 3
BlizzCast Episode 3 was recorded many days ago. It is probably been edited and distributed to the localization team. For that matter, there can't be an ETA. It will be out when it is ready. Once episode 3 is translated to all the Blizzard supported languages, the web designers will prepare the webpage code for a simultaneous release. I was told the questions I gathered from the diablo3.com community won't show up in Episode 3 and probably nor in episode 4. By the time I had submited these questions there had been months prior to that of hundreds of questions submited by the World of Warcraft and Starcraft 2 communities. It will also depend on whether the Diablo II Team Developers are available at the time a BlizzCast is produced. Sounds like they are busy folks nowadays. Fret not, our questions are on queue. They will get answered on BlizzCast format at some point. The most I can say here is: BlizzCast 3 is coming out soon. And no, the May 1 countdown teaser isn't to announce BlizzCast 3.
Is the Countdown Teaser about an Interview?
A Diablo II Team interview request was answered as follow: "It's is a possibility". I will update you in upcoming months.
How good is the countdown anyways? Why should I bother coming around on May 1?
Would I come up clean and spare you 10 days of agony, if I didn't know there is still some good behind the May 1 announcement? [grins]
There is some merit to the announcement. Sadly it is not what we are all awaiting and craving for years. But it is a step forward in its own rightful positive kind of way to what fans are craving for. Hope this quick FAQ may help some people. I am a fan too, and I really don't want people getting way too excited than they should by following forum rumor mill threads.
So, yeah. I'm still guessing that they are jerking our chains.
My guess: Diablo fanart will be hosted on the Diablo3 site.
I don't get why WoW is like Diablo at all, but I only played Diablo (1 and 2) partially through and got bored of them quick.
Pretty much I remember Diablo being a real-time roguelike.
Since someone asked, this is from the perspective of a guy who played EQ before trying Diablo 1. I usually just played online RTS/FPS, and did MMO's to pass the time between the releases of good RTS/FPS games.
I personally see so many obvious refinements based on fan complaints about EQ (back when I played it... in a guild with a couple Blizzard guys) that I have no doubt at all Blizzard just used their tried and true 'make something more fun by refining what makes it fun in the first place and cutting out the stupid shit' formula on EQ to come up with WoW. I don't have much problem with it, I think by and large it worked.
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I played EQ before playing either Diablo games (I didn't try Diablo until shortly before DII's release) and over the years I've played Planetside, CoH, A Tale in the Desert, Shattered Galaxies, Puzzle Pirates, EVE, Guild Wars, FFXI, LotRO, and of course WoW.
I just wanted to see if the people who thought WoW is like Diablo had played an MMO before WoW. Or if they just played Diablo then WoW.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO. Its just done better and even that is an arguable point to some people.
I think it'd be accurate to say WoW is what Diablo would be if they'd decided to make it an MMO.
WoW always seemed like an EQ clone inspired by Diablo 2 and then polished like crazy.
It comes up because when you people say "Blizzard will make a Diablo MMO!" it seems fairly redundant. What would be the difference between that and WoW.
See now I think this is unfair to say. WoW is like a Base MMO. It has all the stuff to make it an MMO and nothing more. Any Fantasy themed game would probably end up like WoW if it made the jump to a MMO.
I have a little more faith in Blizzard to make a Diablo MMO different from WoW. Maybe thats just me though.
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I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
Everquest came out in 99, and Diablo 2 came out in 2000. Also Ultima online was out before Diablo 2. There may be others, but I knew Everquest was out before Diablo 2.
You know the "2" there? Diablo was released in 1996.
Dark Sun Online was earlier than diablo 1, and those were good times.
Makes a better point here. And if you want to consider Neverwinter Nights the first MMO, that was released in like 1993 or something.
In any event, though, Diablo is nothing like an MMO. Just because Diablo launched Battle.net, which made online PC gaming so user friendly (anyone remember the Zone and shit?), does not make it an MMO. It plays more like Gauntlet, and had a 4 player max, 8 player in D2. Games in Diablo are hosted by the creator.
It plays like an oldschool hack and slash (it is one)
It does not have persistent worlds.
Games are not hosted by a central server.
I have a question for the people who say WoW is like Diablo. I ain't trying to be a dick. I just want to know. Have you played any other MMOs before you played Diablo and WoW?
I'm curious to see where you're going with this. I played EQ before playing either Diablo games (I didn't try Diablo until shortly before DII's release) and over the years I've played Planetside, CoH, A Tale in the Desert, Shattered Galaxies, Puzzle Pirates, EVE, Guild Wars, FFXI, LotRO, and of course WoW.
I just wanted to see if the people who thought WoW is like Diablo had played an MMO before WoW. Or if they just played Diablo then WoW.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO. Its just done better and even that is an arguable point to some people.
I think it'd be accurate to say WoW is what Diablo would be if they'd decided to make it an MMO.
WoW always seemed like an EQ clone inspired by Diablo 2 and then polished like crazy.
It comes up because when you people say "Blizzard will make a Diablo MMO!" it seems fairly redundant. What would be the difference between that and WoW.
See now I think this is unfair to say. WoW is like a Base MMO. It has all the stuff to make it an MMO and nothing more. Any Fantasy themed game would probably end up like WoW if it made the jump to a MMO.
I have a little more faith in Blizzard to make a Diablo MMO different from WoW. Maybe thats just me though.
What would they do?
WoW took the EQ model, and imported alot of what made Diablo 2 ... Diablo 2.
Hard Set and Distinct Classes.
Skill + Talent Tree is a natural improvement of Skill Trees in Diablo 2.
The Loot system.
Quest system, but improved.
And so on.
The only difference would be setting and Diablo is more You vs Hordes then Wow's You vs 1 or 2 Enemies.
The only difference would be setting and Diablo is more You vs Hordes then Wow's You vs 1 or 2 Enemies.
Base combat mechanics?
Combat in WoW is really, really slow paced compared to D2. Movement in Diablo is paramount, its only used in WoW to avoid occasional AoE strikes. Diablo is a clickfest, WoW uses targeting and autoattacking.
WoW is also two games in one; the GRINDAN and the endgame. Neither resemble D2 in the least. Diablo is about action, and engaging enemies in your own ways, not a series of puzzles designed by the developer.
The only difference would be setting and Diablo is more You vs Hordes then Wow's You vs 1 or 2 Enemies.
Base combat mechanics?
Combat in WoW is really, really slow paced compared to D2. Movement in Diablo is paramount, its only used in WoW to avoid occasional AoE strikes. Diablo is a clickfest, WoW uses targeting and autoattacking.
WoW is also two games in one; the GRINDAN and the endgame. Neither resemble D2 in the least. Diablo is about action, and engaging enemies in your own ways, not a series of puzzles designed by the developer.
That wouldn't survive the move to MMO. Alot of MMO conventions are due to it running over a network.
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Look, the thing that made Diablo just so gosh darned popular was that it was:
A) Accessible (that is, an easy to understand pick-up-and-play game)
C) Free to play online
WoW's gameplay is very similar (down to the skill trees for christ's sake) and not surprisingly, it's even more addictive than Diablo was. You can play it in short bursts, you're always looking for that "next shiny piece of loot" and you run dungeons killing bosses over and over until you get it. It's a pretty clear parallel.
While I'm not quite sitting at a cock-eating level of confidence that D3 won't see the light of day while WoW is profitable, I'm comfortable in that assumption. I just do not see how they could release it (and for damned sure not release it as an MMO) and not expect it to cannibalize their own profits with WoW.
Now, they could do something like release Diablo 3 as strictly a console game, and that would do two things:
1) Piss off the PC-exclusive gamers
2) Give them an entry into the one market they've yet to dominate
The latter is key, and I'm very sure that the execs at Activizzard and Vivendi are thinking about this very thing. How they go about doing that is another matter, but with Starcraft: Ghost dead and buried, I have to believe they're wanting something to fill that void, and they'll want a large franchise to do it.
Starcraft Ghost would have made an awesome console, they should revive it from the dead...
To that, you might as well say any game is a clone of D2. Skill trees? D2 clone. "Accessible"? D2 clone. They don't share free online.
Essentially, saying WoW is a D2 clone is exactly the same thing as saying any other MMO is a clone of D2.
WoW also has: arenas, BGs, skills you can get without the use of a skill tree, crafting, but that's copied straight from D2, or is simple D2++, right?
Also, that addictive thing is arguably the user's fault. It's addictive in that you'd want more gear, but, again, many many many games have gear to get. You know what? D2 is a clone of Dungeons and Dragons. In Dungeons and Dragons, you fight big monsters with multiple dudes, and often get gear. Obvious rip from D2. Assholes. In dungeons and Dragons, you have different talent branches to follow. Rip.
I am saying it is retarded to say D2 is a clone of WoW based on what you have stated, as those are common denominators of anything in the RPG genre.
Diablo 2 was just a simple game that knew what it was. A simple game. It didn't try to be something it wasn't or add something that didn't need to be added. It stuck straight to the simplicity design of kill stuff with fun skills over and over and find cool stuff.
WoW took that and expanded on it. Added multi-man raids, BGs, and mounts.
All other games that are considered to be "clones" of Diablo 2 fail in numerous ways and just aren't as good as Diablo 2. I've played many "dungeon crawlers" but none of them have kept me as addicted as Diablo 1 or 2.
Saying that the analogy of WoW is like Diablo 2 but an MMO is retarded is just ignorant on your part. If someone plays WoW and thinks that, it's their opinion. Also it's pretty accurate as well considering tons of people agree with this as well.
I'm not contesting that role playing games share many similarities, that's pretty obvious. I'm simply stating that there isn't a logical reason to develop and release a new entry in the Diablo series unless its gameplay differs wildly from "create character, kill things, level up/get new abilities, get shiny new loot, repeat", because they've already got that covered just fine in their flagship game. Again, the caveat to this would be if they were to release D3 as a console-exclusive game, because then they wouldn't have themselves to compete with.
Well they seem to think a World of Warcraft movie is a good idea. At the very least they turned down Uwe Boll's offer to direct the movie. So maybe there is hope.
edit: Yea, what Halfmex said.
Don't you understand? They're wrong!
I can agree with spiritual successor, however, everyone uses the term clone, which would imply it is the same damn game.
Edit: Looking back on the phrasing, the terminology was "WoW is pretty much D3 with a change in setting", which sounds a hell of a lot like "clone" to me.
Dude, quit being a dick or get lost.
You care way too much about the particular wording; and you're acting as if you saying "They're wrong" is irrefutable fact.
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But suffice to say, they are a lot alike and I think it's fairly obvious. The only additional thing I would've wanted is a necromancer with a ton of summons, but I think they learned from D2 lag and that's exactly why there's only one or two pets in WoW.
Kudos Bama. There would be very little difference in Diablo 3: The MMO than there would be in WoW.
I was completely kidding with the "They're wrong" thing. Calm down yourself.
Edit: Look, I asked why people said it that way, and all of you have given me answers. I brought up what I through were good points (which mostly agree with Uncle Sporky saying that it's a useless argument), and you guys said enough to convince me that they are similar, and that's that.
Unless you were "completely kidding" about the rest of your asinine crusade, it really doesn't matter.
And I am calm. I just get irritated by people like you.
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An easier question would be "What MMO's didn't you play before WoW.
I doubt anyone played a MMO before Diablo....since it came out before any MMO's (unless you count MUDs, but that's really not the same thing at all).
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I think this man is going where I was trying to get at. Do I have to preface everything I say with "Not being a dick?"
How the hell is that a double negative?
But maybe it's an UNofficial anncouncement of DIablo 3! dun dun dun.
In Diablo, you take on hordes of enemies while keeping your health up either via mountains of potions or life drain effects.
In WoW, you fight enemies either one on one or as part of a team that uses standard MMO tank/damage/healer setup. Encounters are based around this setup, and have pretty much predefined methods of being completed.
WoW has a combat system based on auto attacks and cooldowns, diablo does not.
Well Ultima Online came out that same year if memory serves right. Besides I know a few people who still haven't played a MMO yet, but have spent years playing Diablo and Diablo II.
Something like:
An affirmative constructed from two negatives; "A not unwelcome outcome" or "I'm not unhappy". It was really just a joke... Jesus everyone's so uptight in this thread. :P
...really?
really?
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Before Diablo 2, no. Before WoW, yes. Before WoW I played FFXI (loved it), Ultima (hated it), and Planetside (had potential, just never caught on). Since WoW, I've played LOTR online, which is almost exactly like WoW, so I stopped that after playing til level 5 because I didn't quit WoW to play WoW. I've also played EVE demo, which I regret because that game is terrible. I'm alright with point and click, but point and select from a menu... not for me.
Everquest came out in 99, and Diablo 2 came out in 2000. Also Ultima online was out before Diablo 2. There may be others, but I knew Everquest was out before Diablo 2.
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I just wanted to see if the people who thought WoW is like Diablo had played an MMO before WoW. Or if they just played Diablo then WoW.
Personally I do not think WoW is like Diablo. I think WoW is just like every other MMO that has come out since the beginning of the Modern MMO. Its just done better and even that is an arguable point to some people.
That means you're right !
The fact is that if someone wants to say it's retarded to compare WoW to a Diablo MMO, then they need to support the claim.
I think it'd be accurate to say WoW is what Diablo would be if they'd decided to make it an MMO.
WoW always seemed like an EQ clone inspired by Diablo 2 and then polished like crazy.
It comes up because when you people say "Blizzard will make a Diablo MMO!" it seems fairly redundant. What would be the difference between that and WoW.
So, yeah. I'm still guessing that they are jerking our chains.
My guess: Diablo fanart will be hosted on the Diablo3 site.
Pretty much I remember Diablo being a real-time roguelike.
Since someone asked, this is from the perspective of a guy who played EQ before trying Diablo 1. I usually just played online RTS/FPS, and did MMO's to pass the time between the releases of good RTS/FPS games.
I personally see so many obvious refinements based on fan complaints about EQ (back when I played it... in a guild with a couple Blizzard guys) that I have no doubt at all Blizzard just used their tried and true 'make something more fun by refining what makes it fun in the first place and cutting out the stupid shit' formula on EQ to come up with WoW. I don't have much problem with it, I think by and large it worked.
See now I think this is unfair to say. WoW is like a Base MMO. It has all the stuff to make it an MMO and nothing more. Any Fantasy themed game would probably end up like WoW if it made the jump to a MMO.
I have a little more faith in Blizzard to make a Diablo MMO different from WoW. Maybe thats just me though.
You know the "2" there? Diablo was released in 1996.
Makes a better point here. And if you want to consider Neverwinter Nights the first MMO, that was released in like 1993 or something.
In any event, though, Diablo is nothing like an MMO. Just because Diablo launched Battle.net, which made online PC gaming so user friendly (anyone remember the Zone and shit?), does not make it an MMO. It plays more like Gauntlet, and had a 4 player max, 8 player in D2. Games in Diablo are hosted by the creator.
It plays like an oldschool hack and slash (it is one)
It does not have persistent worlds.
Games are not hosted by a central server.
What would they do?
WoW took the EQ model, and imported alot of what made Diablo 2 ... Diablo 2.
Hard Set and Distinct Classes.
Skill + Talent Tree is a natural improvement of Skill Trees in Diablo 2.
The Loot system.
Quest system, but improved.
And so on.
The only difference would be setting and Diablo is more You vs Hordes then Wow's You vs 1 or 2 Enemies.
Base combat mechanics?
Combat in WoW is really, really slow paced compared to D2. Movement in Diablo is paramount, its only used in WoW to avoid occasional AoE strikes. Diablo is a clickfest, WoW uses targeting and autoattacking.
WoW is also two games in one; the GRINDAN and the endgame. Neither resemble D2 in the least. Diablo is about action, and engaging enemies in your own ways, not a series of puzzles designed by the developer.
That wouldn't survive the move to MMO. Alot of MMO conventions are due to it running over a network.