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edited December 2009
The Good cities are better anyway IMO. Much much easier to navigate and less up and down crap (cept for kelethin, but that's only a minor inconvienance compared to neriak and gorowyn).
Gorowyn's got a teleporter down by the docks that goes right up to the housing/crafting area. The city is a pain in the ass to navigate, but you can get to both of the brokers, housing, crafting, mailboxes, griffons, and bells without having to deal with any of the ramp, ladder, and lift disaster. That's like 99% of what you need from a city.
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Can that still happen? I remember that from my early days too. Hell, I remember dieing at the forge on Newbie Isle, but talking with the Crafting Tutorial NPC made it sound like that is no longer possible.
That can't happen anymore.
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Another note on tradeskills: remember that you can use your 6 crafting skills at any time. They're not just used when an event occurs. If you don't use them throughout the craft, you'll almost certainly fail it. At first crafting will be a bit tough, but later it's pretty darn easy.
Check out the tooltips for the 6 skills. They are in 3 pairs, with a Durability and Progress version of each. Durability is the 4 green bars in the crafting window. The three skills on the left (by default) increase Durability.The three on the right increase Progress, the lower blue bars. Each pair of skills has a drawback, and balancing their use is the key thing to get the hang of in crafting. The goal is to get to 100% Progress without losing your 4th bar of Durability.
So during each craft you'll be regularly hitting the +Progress skills, mainly the one that is just straight +Progress and costs power. Keep that going until your 4th Durability bar gets low (~30%). Then you hit as many +Durability skills as you need to keep that 4th green bar alive. When you get the Durability back up to a safe place, start using the +Progress skills again. During this process, you'll obviously try to successfully counter each event that comes up too. One trick for that is to never queue skills by clicking on them when they're recharging.
Hopefully that isn't too confusing. Trust me, it gets to be second nature. There are also entire questlines and special recipes for crafters, so there's a lot to do besides just sit and press 6 buttons.
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edited December 2009
the hotkeys are automatically assigned to the numpad 123 456 so it looks like this
456
123
456 is progress hotkeys
123 is durability hotkeys
so with that, I can tell you guys my rotation!
I used to hit 4, pause, 2, 3 (don't ask me why the pause, it's a superstition or something, I just found a pause worked better)
Then my gf noticed me having trouble with rush orders and told me to hit 1, pause, 5, 6.
And it worked, progress bar goes up fast. When you are losing durability, do a round of 1,2,3, then go bck to 1,5,6.
When a reaction art pops up, I tend to only hit that button then wait until the next round to continue. eg if 5 pops up, I will hit 5, wait to the next round, then hit 5, 6, 1. Over time, you can slowly head back to your 1,5,6 rotation if no more reaction arts pop up, which I tend to do because I'm comfortable with it, but you don't need to do that if you don't want to.
I don't think it really matters which order you hit 1,5,6, just as long as you hit all of them you get a lot of progress and your durability is kept up too.
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No real need, you just show up and do the quest lines to get all that sweet gear and head back. The place is only good till about lvl 20.
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edited December 2009
Maybe it is my imagination, but I never see any results from just hitting the abilities. Like the ones that increase Durability. I never see durability go up when I use them. However the ones that increase progress seems to work. I never use the one that +progress -durability, since I can never get durability up outside of an event.
edit- my rotation is basically 3,3,3,3(basically just spam it). Then when a 1/4 event pops up I go with 1 (never 4). 3/6 events I go with 6. 2/5 events I go with 5.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited December 2009
The abilities grow in their + power as you go up in level, but the negatives stay the same (or scale very very slowly at least). At early levels, it's tougher beause you are losing 5 progress for 7 durability or whatever, but at higher levels you are gaining 25 progress for 7 durability and so on and so forth.
The rotation I mentioned has 1 (+ to durability, small - to progress), 5 (+ to progress, - to success chance), 6 (+ to progress for a power cost)
You can get tinkered items that increase your success chance, cloaks with + to skills on it, racials with + to whatever your race can do, I think all races have at least two generic ones that work for every tradeskill tho.
There's also aa in the tso tree that is helpful until you get your tradeskiller max level, it increases your progress by 10% per round. I have this + a racial that increases progress by 2% and my god, with that rotation, it certainly doesn't feel as low as 12%. Shit gets made right the hell now.
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At some point skill rotation is personal preference really. At early levels you will probably not want to use skill hotkey 4 much. That skill will increase your progress but decrease durability. Save that one for when you have durability to spare.
In the same way, use hotkey 1 sparingly because that one increases durability but decreases progress. It's kind of your emergency button, when your 4th Durability bar is gone or nearly gone and you need to take away Progress so the craft doesn't complete with only three bars.
Basically, spam 6 the most to speed up the progress of the crafting. Watch your power, though (and use a good drink). Alternate it with 5 if things are going well, and add in some 4s if you're doing really well on durability. Don't touch 1,2,3 unless you need to to save your durability. Hitting 3-2 is your first line of defense if your durability drops.
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KlatuAussie Aussie AussieOi Oi OiRegistered Userregular
edited December 2009
Should I hold off on doing the "A Gathering Obsession" quests until higher levels of tradeskilling or should I do them to get a quick boost through the lower levels?
edit: I was thinking get tradeskill up to 10, then start the quests off. Getting to 10 isn't an issue, but anything to dull the pain as I speed through would be well worth it.
Aren't you only supposed to use crafting abilities when a complication arises?
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KlatuAussie Aussie AussieOi Oi OiRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
Using them proactively speeds things up and eventually I think during the 20-29 tier using them reactively (as you're suggesting) means you'll fail more often than not at getting a perfect craft. Or so I remember, but these guys have been doing crafting more recently than I have, I'm still psyching myself up to start.
Yeah, you need to use the crafting skills regularly, not just for reaction events. Trust me, many many many folks get that wrong at first.
A Gathering Obsession is a good thing to work on gradually as you level, Klatu. It's good tradeskill XP, but it's really a timesink mostly. The extremely cool reward is worth it too, though. So combining it with time you'll be spending in the correct-tier zones leveling is the best way to do it.
I'm working on it now myself, before I hit 80 sage so I actually get the XP... I'm sort of dreading harvesting in Nek again. I wish they'd had the quest in as I was leveling. :?
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KlatuAussie Aussie AussieOi Oi OiRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
Wait, you have to go to both zones, not just one or the other?
That makes it a little more painful. Yeah, I hear you on the Nek bit. I was hoping to skip that zone entirely this time around and only stick my head in for the HQ then run.
Wait, you have to go to both zones, not just one or the other?
That makes it a little more painful. Yeah, I hear you on the Nek bit. I was hoping to skip that zone entirely this time around and only stick my head in for the HQ then run.
Parts 3, 4, and 5 require harvests in 2 specific zones each.
I've seen people suggest that you temporarily put 5 points into Ample Harvest in the Shadows AA tree to make the GO quests faster.
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How much of a hassle is it to betray these days? i don't like freeport at all. Also how many quests are available to me in thundering steppes if i'm currently on the evil side?
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KlatuAussie Aussie AussieOi Oi OiRegistered Userregular
edited January 2010
I don't think TS has many (if any) quests that are locked out to one particular faction. If there is any that you can't do, it would be only 1 and that is from the guy right up near Antonica zone line, but I'm still pretty sure you can get that one.
Betraying is meant to be less painful these days than it was previously. I think evil -> good betray is easier than good -> evil. But I've never done it so I could be mistaken.
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edited January 2010
You don't get locked out of quests, but you can sometimes do a different questline from a different npc than a good one for the same situation. These are rare but happen.
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Now that im in thundering steppes again it reminds me how badly these zones need a quest revamp. No real clear questhubs, lots of confusing quests, and they love putting level 20 quest givers right next to level 28 quest givers.
Now that im in thundering steppes again it reminds me how badly these zones need a quest revamp. No real clear questhubs, lots of confusing quests, and they love putting level 20 quest givers right next to level 28 quest givers.
I can't help but agree. The quests are really all over the place in TS and EL but then they did Zek wonderfully. You have your 2 major quest hubs nicely contained. Granted there are a few here and there but for the most part it's a very neat zone.
I can't speak for Lavastorm and Everfrost? (I think) apparently they had a revamp and are much better now.
Your best bet, if you can manage it, is to find a Stormhold group and smash that place up, then move to RoV and then RE. I gained 11 levels in no time doing just that and now I'm quickly tidying up the few quests I really want to do from TS easily.
Yeah, the game could definitely stand a content update. I've always disliked the effect that expansions have on a game in that regard in spreading out the population and creating a lot of dead space.
I'm hoping blowing up Freeport is a sign of things to come. I'd love to see some of the older zones and quests revamped. WoW, I think, has a really good idea in this regard with Cataclysm.
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edited January 2010
A much better level 20 zone is butcherblock mountains. Makes a lot more sense if you head there from greater faydark.
Nektulos forest is also better in terms of quest hubs if you head there from commonlands (ie get there however but head to the commonlands exit then go to the first town there). But the zone is pretty irritating with how dark, dank and cursey it is. Random bushes and leeches cursing you is so annoying. It's also easy to get lost in there.
Honestly, I would finish up faydark content and use shattered lands content as something to clean up the scraps. I really wouldn't bother with thundering steppes. Skip it.
There is also a level 20 zone underneath qeynos city as well as crushbone keep. Crushbone is much better than stormhold by far.
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The end result is, if you don't like a zone you don't have to do it. There's alternatives for everything. Benefit of being a huge freakin' game.
Some folks like the old-school content, I've heard. I don't mind it, personally, even after I spent a lot of time in Antonica and the Steppes. But the newer and newly-revamped areas are indeed more streamlined.
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Does the Templar have the same melee damage options as the Inquisitor?
I really love my Inquisitor, but I really hate emo elves. I want to betray, but not if it means giving up smashing things in the face with a flaming hammer.
Does the Templar have the same melee damage options as the Inquisitor?
I really love my Inquisitor, but I really hate emo elves. I want to betray, but not if it means giving up smashing things in the face with a flaming hammer.
EDIT: Looks like they don't. Bummer.
Yea as you already found out, nowhere close and I know that sucks. If you haven't gotten too far in though you have another option. You could start out AS a templar as a good race and then betray to evil. it works both ways after all.
Oh, I'm fine with my race. I love the Ratonga. I just want to bitch slap every dark elf and emo butterfly I see. Jesus Christ are they annoying. Half my quests seem to come from dark elves who want me to go pull the wings off some fly because it doesn't hate, well, everything.
Iksar? Sarnak? Ratonga? Cool. Dark elves and Arasai? The exact opposite.
Does the Templar have the same melee damage options as the Inquisitor?
I really love my Inquisitor, but I really hate emo elves. I want to betray, but not if it means giving up smashing things in the face with a flaming hammer.
EDIT: Looks like they don't. Bummer.
Yeah, and sadly they never extended to PVE servers one nice thing that PVP servers have: on a PVP server, you can betray without having to change your subclass. :x
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Oh, I'm fine with my race. I love the Ratonga. I just want to bitch slap every dark elf and emo butterfly I see. Jesus Christ are they annoying. Half my quests seem to come from dark elves who want me to go pull the wings off some fly because it doesn't hate, well, everything.
Iksar? Sarnak? Ratonga? Cool. Dark elves and Arasai? The exact opposite.
You could always betray to at least live in Gorwyn or whatever it's called. Doesn't solve the whole quest problem though. That does suck. I was a dark elf who betrayed myself to be a swashy. Now i live with the happy fae ^_^
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Oh, I'm fine with my race. I love the Ratonga. I just want to bitch slap every dark elf and emo butterfly I see. Jesus Christ are they annoying. Half my quests seem to come from dark elves who want me to go pull the wings off some fly because it doesn't hate, well, everything.
Iksar? Sarnak? Ratonga? Cool. Dark elves and Arasai? The exact opposite.
You could always betray to at least live in Gorwyn or whatever it's called. Doesn't solve the whole quest problem though. That does suck. I was a dark elf who betrayed myself to be a swashy. Now i live with the happy fae ^_^
Heh, I was a Halfling that betrayed to Neriak. Couldn't stand those Fae. Now I am a happy (happy being relative of course) Halfling Necro!
edit- I do not like the Sarnak on a personal level. They are a Poor Man's Iksar. :P
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edited January 2010
My gf and I's toon's duoed to 64 so far and have skipped steppes, feerot and everfrost. Never ran out of quests.
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That can't happen anymore.
Check out the tooltips for the 6 skills. They are in 3 pairs, with a Durability and Progress version of each. Durability is the 4 green bars in the crafting window. The three skills on the left (by default) increase Durability.The three on the right increase Progress, the lower blue bars. Each pair of skills has a drawback, and balancing their use is the key thing to get the hang of in crafting. The goal is to get to 100% Progress without losing your 4th bar of Durability.
So during each craft you'll be regularly hitting the +Progress skills, mainly the one that is just straight +Progress and costs power. Keep that going until your 4th Durability bar gets low (~30%). Then you hit as many +Durability skills as you need to keep that 4th green bar alive. When you get the Durability back up to a safe place, start using the +Progress skills again. During this process, you'll obviously try to successfully counter each event that comes up too. One trick for that is to never queue skills by clicking on them when they're recharging.
Hopefully that isn't too confusing. Trust me, it gets to be second nature. There are also entire questlines and special recipes for crafters, so there's a lot to do besides just sit and press 6 buttons.
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
456
123
456 is progress hotkeys
123 is durability hotkeys
so with that, I can tell you guys my rotation!
I used to hit 4, pause, 2, 3 (don't ask me why the pause, it's a superstition or something, I just found a pause worked better)
Then my gf noticed me having trouble with rush orders and told me to hit 1, pause, 5, 6.
And it worked, progress bar goes up fast. When you are losing durability, do a round of 1,2,3, then go bck to 1,5,6.
When a reaction art pops up, I tend to only hit that button then wait until the next round to continue. eg if 5 pops up, I will hit 5, wait to the next round, then hit 5, 6, 1. Over time, you can slowly head back to your 1,5,6 rotation if no more reaction arts pop up, which I tend to do because I'm comfortable with it, but you don't need to do that if you don't want to.
I don't think it really matters which order you hit 1,5,6, just as long as you hit all of them you get a lot of progress and your durability is kept up too.
No real need, you just show up and do the quest lines to get all that sweet gear and head back. The place is only good till about lvl 20.
edit- my rotation is basically 3,3,3,3(basically just spam it). Then when a 1/4 event pops up I go with 1 (never 4). 3/6 events I go with 6. 2/5 events I go with 5.
The rotation I mentioned has 1 (+ to durability, small - to progress), 5 (+ to progress, - to success chance), 6 (+ to progress for a power cost)
You can get tinkered items that increase your success chance, cloaks with + to skills on it, racials with + to whatever your race can do, I think all races have at least two generic ones that work for every tradeskill tho.
There's also aa in the tso tree that is helpful until you get your tradeskiller max level, it increases your progress by 10% per round. I have this + a racial that increases progress by 2% and my god, with that rotation, it certainly doesn't feel as low as 12%. Shit gets made right the hell now.
In the same way, use hotkey 1 sparingly because that one increases durability but decreases progress. It's kind of your emergency button, when your 4th Durability bar is gone or nearly gone and you need to take away Progress so the craft doesn't complete with only three bars.
Basically, spam 6 the most to speed up the progress of the crafting. Watch your power, though (and use a good drink). Alternate it with 5 if things are going well, and add in some 4s if you're doing really well on durability. Don't touch 1,2,3 unless you need to to save your durability. Hitting 3-2 is your first line of defense if your durability drops.
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edit: I was thinking get tradeskill up to 10, then start the quests off. Getting to 10 isn't an issue, but anything to dull the pain as I speed through would be well worth it.
A Gathering Obsession is a good thing to work on gradually as you level, Klatu. It's good tradeskill XP, but it's really a timesink mostly. The extremely cool reward is worth it too, though. So combining it with time you'll be spending in the correct-tier zones leveling is the best way to do it.
I'm working on it now myself, before I hit 80 sage so I actually get the XP... I'm sort of dreading harvesting in Nek again. I wish they'd had the quest in as I was leveling. :?
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
That makes it a little more painful. Yeah, I hear you on the Nek bit. I was hoping to skip that zone entirely this time around and only stick my head in for the HQ then run.
Parts 3, 4, and 5 require harvests in 2 specific zones each.
I've seen people suggest that you temporarily put 5 points into Ample Harvest in the Shadows AA tree to make the GO quests faster.
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
Betraying is meant to be less painful these days than it was previously. I think evil -> good betray is easier than good -> evil. But I've never done it so I could be mistaken.
I can't help but agree. The quests are really all over the place in TS and EL but then they did Zek wonderfully. You have your 2 major quest hubs nicely contained. Granted there are a few here and there but for the most part it's a very neat zone.
I can't speak for Lavastorm and Everfrost? (I think) apparently they had a revamp and are much better now.
Your best bet, if you can manage it, is to find a Stormhold group and smash that place up, then move to RoV and then RE. I gained 11 levels in no time doing just that and now I'm quickly tidying up the few quests I really want to do from TS easily.
I'm hoping blowing up Freeport is a sign of things to come. I'd love to see some of the older zones and quests revamped. WoW, I think, has a really good idea in this regard with Cataclysm.
Nektulos forest is also better in terms of quest hubs if you head there from commonlands (ie get there however but head to the commonlands exit then go to the first town there). But the zone is pretty irritating with how dark, dank and cursey it is. Random bushes and leeches cursing you is so annoying. It's also easy to get lost in there.
Honestly, I would finish up faydark content and use shattered lands content as something to clean up the scraps. I really wouldn't bother with thundering steppes. Skip it.
There is also a level 20 zone underneath qeynos city as well as crushbone keep. Crushbone is much better than stormhold by far.
Some folks like the old-school content, I've heard. I don't mind it, personally, even after I spent a lot of time in Antonica and the Steppes. But the newer and newly-revamped areas are indeed more streamlined.
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
I had a ranger a year or so ago, got to mid 40s iirc but ferrott and everfrost are horrible.
Do Steamfont and Klakanon! And Everfrost is a nice zone now.
Speaking of the the 40s, anyone interested in grouping up for the Bloodlines adventure pack questline?
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There is Sinking Sands and Steamfont not just EF and Feer.
Is Steamfont worth checking out for the 40s?
edit: nm, my delayed post due to being at work was too late, the above posts answer my question nicely hehe
I'm 37 right now, I'll be hitting 40 soonish hopefully. If I'm about then I'd be happy to do it, i'm 99% sure I have the adv pack
Should have them all if you have the latest expansion pack.
I really love my Inquisitor, but I really hate emo elves. I want to betray, but not if it means giving up smashing things in the face with a flaming hammer.
EDIT: Looks like they don't. Bummer.
Yea as you already found out, nowhere close and I know that sucks. If you haven't gotten too far in though you have another option. You could start out AS a templar as a good race and then betray to evil. it works both ways after all.
Iksar? Sarnak? Ratonga? Cool. Dark elves and Arasai? The exact opposite.
Yeah, and sadly they never extended to PVE servers one nice thing that PVP servers have: on a PVP server, you can betray without having to change your subclass. :x
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
You could always betray to at least live in Gorwyn or whatever it's called. Doesn't solve the whole quest problem though. That does suck. I was a dark elf who betrayed myself to be a swashy. Now i live with the happy fae ^_^
Heh, I was a Halfling that betrayed to Neriak. Couldn't stand those Fae. Now I am a happy (happy being relative of course) Halfling Necro!
edit- I do not like the Sarnak on a personal level. They are a Poor Man's Iksar. :P