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Anyone here participating? My college is participating in it (University of Oregon) and I am as well. I believe fighting homophobia is definitely beneficial for society, by any means possible. It's also a memorial to Lawrence King, a 15-year-old who was shot in the head by another student for expressing his feelings to him, apparently over a Valentine's card.
What are your thoughts on the Day of Silence as a whole?
Only a few of us participated in my school last year and now a lot more are joining in this year.
I participated last year and it was rather interesting, however, I had an incident during the day...all 6 of us were wearing stickers that said the day of silence on them and a group of boys came up to me and knocked my books out of hand and used some harsh words (I'm in high school). I was disgusted that someone would do that…
It's been about four years now since I actually went silent on the Day of Silence. Three years ago, it marked the first day where I started presenting female (I'm male-to-female transgender) in school ... at first, the idea was that I was somehow making a statement by confusing people and being unable to speak and answer their questions, but then we realized it resonated more with the idea of the day in general if I was instead the only one among my friends who would speak that day.
So, for that year and the one after, it was instead a day for me to be a very vocal and very visible transperson and promote for any other not-out transpeople watching how liberating it can be to speak after having been silent so long. I guess the idea doesn't hold up completely? It sort of became a tradition though, haha.
The silent folks usually had a hard time in high school, too -- the same sort of stuff, having books thrown to the floor or just being pushed around. The one year I was around and it went down in college, only a handful of people participated and even those few only participated on-and-off.
I'm not in a situation where it's really meaningful this year, so I won't be doing anything. Best wishes and big thanks to all LGBTQA, though!
(The 'A' is for allies, so that includes the non-LGBTQ people, for the uninformed. Saves space. :P)
Hey, cool. I remember doing this during my brief tenure as co-president of the GSA with my lovely lady-friend. Nothing quite so sisyphean as trying to explain a demonstration promoting GLBTQ rights in a town so white-bread we turned to toast in the summer. In the end, most of us answered constant questions rather than going completely silent. We also loosened the restrictions on people who wanted to sign up, just asking that they stay as quiet as possible and wear a little support pin or armband.
I guess I haven't felt it was quite as relevant at a cosmopolitan university... but then again, I suppose a display of support is never really irrelevant.
I believe in fighting homophobia vocally and saying "Hey this shit isnt' right, they're people just like the rest of us" rather than silence. I'll throw on a black armband or something, but I have to talk at my job.
I'm not a super hippy nor am I a raving conservativist. Ostracism of any kind of any type is reprehensible. I wish I was in a situation where it would matter as well, I will be in a classroom, silent for four hours crying because my knowledge of tax procedure in Federal courts is not as great as my professor.
On a side note, to those of you in high school doing this I commend you. It is probably the best place to have an impact. I'm sorry if mistreatment goes on, but that in itself is a dialog of sorts. Not a good but one nonetheless kudos to you all especially.
The idea is to have your constructiveness be absolutely impeded, actually, and then they try to draw the parallel between that ceasature and that experienced emotionally and socially by LGBTQA people who are unable to live as themselves due to fear.
I think it's a good thing to do once, but there's a lot of intellectual legwork involved in understanding its relevance and so its value is often lost on the people to whom these lesson needs to reach most desperately.
Poor things, must be protesting against bunny rape.
The kids at my high school who participated tended to have a button on their shirt or a piece of paper or something that explained what they were doing, that they would point to if anyone asked them. It seemed like everyone already knew what was going on though so no problems arose.
Again I just really want to stress that the Day of Silence was originally intended to be just as much a way of trying to indoctrinate people with LGBTQA empathy as it is a protest. It's not expected to mean anything to a stranger, but when one of your best friends is participating and you aren't and it means they don't talk to you all day, the idea is that it will help create some sympathy.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of participants just cheat and do things like sign or write on pieces of paper so that they're still communicating and it's just like what!! But anyway I still think it's valuable because it's effectively a national holiday that hits most high schools and creates some sort of awareness, even if it's currently not showing much effect.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
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At the very least it'll be an experience no communicating all day.
I'm in Seattle, I live and work in an area where a Republican moving in next door is going to stir up way more controversy than a gay couple, and I have to talk for my job.
I've done Day of Silence stuff for a few years now, and besides the hooting dickwads in High School talking constantly, it's gone pretty well. I only have one class, but tomorrow I plan on wearing a few buttons and/or ribbons. I usually say silent (which is kinda hard for me) most of the day, but I'm always happy to answer questions.
Personally I'm not so sure if a day of silence is what we need anymore. I like National Coming Out Day a lot more.
When I hear people say homophobic things, I just say something like "Why do you have to be so mean about it?" or "It's not really your problem, just leave them alone". If I have time, I try to explain that in most cases it's part of who a person is, not something they choose to be. Sadly, almost all homophobic people I've run across INSIST that a person CHOOSES to be gay, not that they just happen to be attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. Then I just /facepalm and go about my business.
In any case, in high school calling a person out on being homophobic is probably no better than staying silent for the cause since high school kids are all dogmatic and naive in some way or another and would just brush you off or start insulting you for suggesting that they're wrong.
For us "grown-ups", I'd say it's probably better to just speak up when someone is being an ass.
Its actually ANZAC day in Australia today (25/4), and we have a dawn service + minute silence at 11am for that. I don't think these two days will gel well here because ANZAC day is the most important of all our national holidays. Battling against homophobia will have to wait for another day.
Persons, persons. You do realize it's symbolic, right? Wearing the button is probably the most important bit. The silence isn't "No you can't call 911, you're being silent". It's "Wear a button, try not to talk unless you need to, and if people ask why, explain."
I believe one the main purposes of the day of silence is to demonstrate how many people around you aren't 'normal.' Day in and day out I interact with dozens, if not hundreds of people that aren't are of my sexuality. I tend to be pretty outgoing, and if every voice like mine was silenced suddenly, presumably people would notice that a lot of people around them are LGBTA or what not.
I actually havea discussion session tomorrow for a class so I shouldn't stay quiet for that.
Haha I told my recitation I was gay on national come out day. It had to do with the discussion but it was an odd coincidence.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
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Besides, there a lot of fuckers in the world that would do well by just shutting the fuck up for a day.
Its actually ANZAC day in Australia today (25/4), and we have a dawn service + minute silence at 11am for that. I don't think these two days will gel well here because ANZAC day is the most important of all our national holidays. Battling against homophobia will have to wait for another day.
Yeah I thought the thread would be about Anzac day as well.
Well I'll spare a few minutes silence for the gay community while I have some beer to finish off the evening.
It's "Wear a button, try not to talk unless you need to, and if people ask why, explain."
It's not that hard to figure out.
Well, if it's "Hey guys, let's do X... but only when it's convenient... or at least, try to do X when it's convenient, but not really" then it is hard to figure out the point.
They did this last year when I was in law school and I thought it was kind of a pointless gesture, like a Take Back The Night rally. Being silent doesn't really impede on people much when you're in a populated urban setting. I did get a free lunch out of it though, so I'm torn.
When I hear people say homophobic things, I just say something like "Why do you have to be so mean about it?" or "It's not really your problem, just leave them alone". If I have time, I try to explain that in most cases it's part of who a person is, not something they choose to be. Sadly, almost all homophobic people I've run across INSIST that a person CHOOSES to be gay, not that they just happen to be attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. Then I just /facepalm and go about my business.
In any case, in high school calling a person out on being homophobic is probably no better than staying silent for the cause since high school kids are all dogmatic and naive in some way or another and would just brush you off or start insulting you for suggesting that they're wrong.
For us "grown-ups", I'd say it's probably better to just speak up when someone is being an ass.
This is one of my big problems with social conservatives. Here we are with millions of people in the world who are of non-hetero sexual orientation, and social conservatives believe it's all some sort of conspiracy. Years ago they would have blamed it on 'demons', but now that they see how crazy that makes them sound, they've switched to some crazy double-think mode.
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Only a few of us participated in my school last year and now a lot more are joining in this year.
I participated last year and it was rather interesting, however, I had an incident during the day...all 6 of us were wearing stickers that said the day of silence on them and a group of boys came up to me and knocked my books out of hand and used some harsh words (I'm in high school). I was disgusted that someone would do that…
So, for that year and the one after, it was instead a day for me to be a very vocal and very visible transperson and promote for any other not-out transpeople watching how liberating it can be to speak after having been silent so long. I guess the idea doesn't hold up completely? It sort of became a tradition though, haha.
The silent folks usually had a hard time in high school, too -- the same sort of stuff, having books thrown to the floor or just being pushed around. The one year I was around and it went down in college, only a handful of people participated and even those few only participated on-and-off.
I'm not in a situation where it's really meaningful this year, so I won't be doing anything. Best wishes and big thanks to all LGBTQA, though!
(The 'A' is for allies, so that includes the non-LGBTQ people, for the uninformed. Saves space. :P)
I guess I haven't felt it was quite as relevant at a cosmopolitan university... but then again, I suppose a display of support is never really irrelevant.
Is there some kind of link?
Type in the first three words of the thread title, delete spaces, and add an org to the end.
On a side note, to those of you in high school doing this I commend you. It is probably the best place to have an impact. I'm sorry if mistreatment goes on, but that in itself is a dialog of sorts. Not a good but one nonetheless kudos to you all especially.
Thanks.
So, sadly, no. My gay friends will understand.
En Masse it gets noticed. I've got nothing past that.
I think it's a good thing to do once, but there's a lot of intellectual legwork involved in understanding its relevance and so its value is often lost on the people to whom these lesson needs to reach most desperately.
The kids at my high school who participated tended to have a button on their shirt or a piece of paper or something that explained what they were doing, that they would point to if anyone asked them. It seemed like everyone already knew what was going on though so no problems arose.
Because t-shirts or pins or flyers are IMPOSSIBLE to produce.
Unfortunately, the vast majority of participants just cheat and do things like sign or write on pieces of paper so that they're still communicating and it's just like what!! But anyway I still think it's valuable because it's effectively a national holiday that hits most high schools and creates some sort of awareness, even if it's currently not showing much effect.
I'm in Seattle, I live and work in an area where a Republican moving in next door is going to stir up way more controversy than a gay couple, and I have to talk for my job.
You KNOW they'd love that.
Personally I'm not so sure if a day of silence is what we need anymore. I like National Coming Out Day a lot more.
When I hear people say homophobic things, I just say something like "Why do you have to be so mean about it?" or "It's not really your problem, just leave them alone". If I have time, I try to explain that in most cases it's part of who a person is, not something they choose to be. Sadly, almost all homophobic people I've run across INSIST that a person CHOOSES to be gay, not that they just happen to be attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. Then I just /facepalm and go about my business.
In any case, in high school calling a person out on being homophobic is probably no better than staying silent for the cause since high school kids are all dogmatic and naive in some way or another and would just brush you off or start insulting you for suggesting that they're wrong.
For us "grown-ups", I'd say it's probably better to just speak up when someone is being an ass.
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It's not that hard to figure out.
I actually havea discussion session tomorrow for a class so I shouldn't stay quiet for that.
Haha I told my recitation I was gay on national come out day. It had to do with the discussion but it was an odd coincidence.
Wait, it's the 25th already. Fuck.
Well I'll spare a few minutes silence for the gay community while I have some beer to finish off the evening.
They did this last year when I was in law school and I thought it was kind of a pointless gesture, like a Take Back The Night rally. Being silent doesn't really impede on people much when you're in a populated urban setting. I did get a free lunch out of it though, so I'm torn.
This is one of my big problems with social conservatives. Here we are with millions of people in the world who are of non-hetero sexual orientation, and social conservatives believe it's all some sort of conspiracy. Years ago they would have blamed it on 'demons', but now that they see how crazy that makes them sound, they've switched to some crazy double-think mode.