I'd really hate to be a non-early adopter and still get screwed in reference to having outdated hardware.
This is why I bought a console, console makers. Please try and keep this in mind.
I doubt the Wii will come out with another SKU in the future.
I've got one of those!!!
So I'm really just talking to Microsoft and Sony.
Are those ammounts indexed by anything, or is each ammount nominal to its given year?
Nominal. Really everything should be done in Yen, I guess, and then indexed based on Japanese inflation. But inflation isn't exactly a huge problem in Japan. Maybe in that case the PS3 has only started to eat into yr 2000 profits.
Well it says US so I dont know, do they really base it off of yen or is it more complex? If its US I think there would be a considerable inflation amount, hell even yen has had a significant inflation though I dont know if its to the value of the dollar. Either way I dont think its that linearly cut and dry and a loss isnt really a loss if something has come from it regardless of what the numbers say. Either way my point is I really really really doubt Sony game division is having as big of a break down as stated earlier where they are losing money from when they started the PS1. And even if numerically they are I think theres more too it than just losing money, theres other assets and offshoots im sure theyve aquired in their profit periods. And honestly this goes for MS and nintendo also over the last decade or so.
Has been posted. Does not explain why Microsoft just placed a really fucking large order for Blu-Ray drives. Either Microsoft or Asustek is lying, and quite honestly Asustek has a better record for me.
THis is kinda silly. Seriously. Would you rather spend 200 dollars and get an attachment for your 360? or spend 400 dollars and get another console that could allow you to play a bunch of exclusive games? I am sure Microsoft has already thought of that, and that is a pretty good reason to not waste money on making another addon device.
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Well, if you already own an X360, the add-on might not be an o-so bad idea. But if you don't own either console, and you were pricing out a console that can do both games and BR movies, at this point in time, its probably cheaper to just go with the 40G PS3 sku.
I haven't heard anything about this myself (although I suppose if I did, I couldn't tell anyone anyway). Like most people, if there was any reality to this, I'd much rather have it as an add-on than integrated into the box. I already have a 360 and don't need to replace it, thankyouverymuch.
I will say that working at MS, the company has its feelers in everything. It surprises me that more bat-shit rumors don't surface because there's always someone investigating an area, just for feasibility. Most of the time, stuff doesn't pan out because it ends up not making sense for whatever reason. It's funny how some things end up being "discovered" as rumors and others just go no where. I guess because the media and press are crazy about anything/everything Blu-ray, this particular one keeps bubbling back to the top. (In a way, it's similar to those MGS4-to-the-360 rumors that can never die)
THis is kinda silly. Seriously. Would you rather spend 200 dollars and get an attachment for your 360? or spend 400 dollars and get another console that could allow you to play a bunch of exclusive games? I am sure Microsoft has already thought of that, and that is a pretty good reason to not waste money on making another addon device.
Yeah, but I seriously doubt MS would create a line of Blu-Ray games, thereby excluding their current installed userbase.
Edit: Oops, totally misread that. Ignore me, I should be working.
THis is kinda silly. Seriously. Would you rather spend 200 dollars and get an attachment for your 360? or spend 400 dollars and get another console that could allow you to play a bunch of exclusive games? I am sure Microsoft has already thought of that, and that is a pretty good reason to not waste money on making another addon device.
Yeah, but I seriously doubt MS would create a line of Blu-Ray games, thereby excluding their current installed userbase.
He's referring to buying a PS3.
And right now the set of PS3 games that are not also on the 360 (and worth playing) can be counted on one hand. Seriously. You don't need one if you've already got the other. (That works both ways, of course.)
So, yes, lots of people would grab the addon if it was any cheaper than a PS3. I probably wouldn't bother because my TV only does 1080i anyway, but I'm sure the current base of 360 owners would be all over it.
As for built-in vs. addon, I'll bet they do both: release an addon and also build Blu-Ray drives right into the 360 Elite Mega edition or whatever, while leaving it out of the cheap ones.
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Seems to me there's a lot of things MS could be doing with a bunch of blu-ray drives. They could just be using them for some internal purpose.
As for built-in vs. addon, I'll bet they do both: release an addon and also build Blu-Ray drives right into the 360 Elite Mega edition or whatever, while leaving it out of the cheap ones.
This seems like the smartest plan to me. Replace the Elite, with the Elite v2 (Now with BluRay!!!!) and put out a BluRay addon too. If they can keep the price low enough, they'll be doing good. Cut out part of the PS3s appeal from under Sony.
I'm surprised this thread has gone as far as with such speculation. They are making a Blu-ray drive for the 360; this isn't really news. They've said they'll make one for whoever wins the format war, and apparently the add-on is already in production and has been soon after HD-DVD kicked the dust. I'll be surprised if they release a SKU with it built it, as there's never been in any indication of them doing that aside from this Chinese source, one many seem to consider fake. We'll see, though!
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So, I guess I will hold off on buying a 360 until a new SKU ships with both a 360 + Blu-Ray. Wonder how much that'll cost.
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Isn't the introduction of a blu-ray drive only a partial solution for MS? Isn't it really just a diferent version of the HD-DVD drive in that it wil only be used for movies and not games? At this point, MS isn't terribly likely to introduce a Blu-ray drive (internal or external), because:
-the advantages of size will do them no good because it won't/can't be used for games (unless they are going to provide a drive to all current owners, or introduce 2 different formats for the system... so, very unlikely, and the same position that they took with HD-DVD)
-will only be used for movies, which runs counter to their entire digital distribution scheme, which I think is the big plan for MS
So while I believe it's possible it could be released, I don't think it's all that likely, especially with the market experience around blu-ray since the end of the "format war" (i.e. blu-ray sales are hurting). If it does come out, it will probably be a mid-range peripheral that plays blu-ray discs "acceptably," and little more. Given the market, it probably won't sell a tremendous amount in any event.
For clarity, I cite no authority or reference - pure speculation on my part.
Just to actually pull some stuff out of my ass, I'd say that MS might put out either a BR-movie enabled SKU (woot! more SKUs!) or an addon.
But I don't think offering an addon will really help them in the fight for 2nd place by keeping people from buying a PS3 so they can watch BR movies, simply because multi-console ownership is low and will remain low as long as the prices are so high and, in the case of the PS3 and 360, the overlap in games is so large.
As the price drops there might be more people picking up both but I'd hazard a guess that the "mass market" that will be picking up the consoles by then aren't likely to buy both in any case. Multi-console ownership will remain just statistical noise, especially outside of PS3-Wii and Wii-360.
I'd say that if MS puts something like that out it is because they think they can make money by selling it, not for some strategic reason.
As to weather putting out a new "eliter" model with BR, that might help them if BR starts taking off and they can put it out for a competitive price. Both of those remain to be seen.
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Didn't Microsoft start saying at one point that they were open to licencing the XBOX 360 software to other companies/manufacturers to use as a platform in other electronic devices?
Maybe there will be a Microsoft licenced Blu-Ray player with an XBOX built in! paradox?
Didn't Microsoft start saying at one point that they were open to licencing the XBOX 360 software to other companies/manufacturers to use as a platform in other electronic devices?
Maybe there will be a Microsoft licenced Blu-Ray player with an XBOX built in! paradox?
Didn't Sega do that with the Dreamcast?
The only successful licensing of console ip I can think of is Nintendo stuff on things like planes, it's pretty much standard that the gaming bit on planes nowadays is all network centric console emulation like snes and gameboy advance games.
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Didn't Microsoft start saying at one point that they were open to licencing the XBOX 360 software to other companies/manufacturers to use as a platform in other electronic devices?
Maybe there will be a Microsoft licenced Blu-Ray player with an XBOX built in! paradox?
Didn't Sega do that with the Dreamcast?
The only successful licensing of console ip I can think of is Nintendo stuff on things like planes, it's pretty much standard that the gaming bit on planes nowadays is all network centric console emulation like snes and gameboy advance games.
Sega have done it with the most of their consoles.
The problem for Microsoft with doing this is that, it runs the risk of creating either a bigger issue of defective consoles, or a third party might just show them up and make one that works:P
Didn't Microsoft start saying at one point that they were open to licencing the XBOX 360 software to other companies/manufacturers to use as a platform in other electronic devices?
Maybe there will be a Microsoft licenced Blu-Ray player with an XBOX built in! paradox?
They offered to license the XNA library to the other consoles. But seeing as how both the PS3 and Wii primarily use OpenGL, and XNA is based off DirectX..
I don't think we need to worry about Blu Ray 360 games. One, it would be market suicide. Two, Blu Ray offers no big advantage over DVD quite yet since I can think of two games that have actually used the entire capacity of DVD by using Dual Layer (Smash Brawl being one of them), with most games still being one layer. Also, the fact that the Blu Ray Drive in the PS3 is extremely slow and the reason the PS3 has a HDD was to compensate for it (much like the OXbox had the HDD to compensate for it's 4x DVD Drive, versus the 12x DVD drive of the 360, and Nintendo's solution of just going with smaller discs), so if you actually do use it's entire capacity your game is going to have epic load times, unless you really want to ask people to install 30GB of data to their PS3 hard drive.
They offered to license the XNA library to the other consoles. But seeing as how both the PS3 and Wii primarily use OpenGL, and XNA is based off DirectX..
Going into this gen Sony would have been crazy to do this, since they had to be thinking it would just allow the 360 to leach off the PS3s bigger install base. But now that it is them and MS against the Nintendo Juggernaught they probably would have been better off with a situation where it was easier to port between the 360 and the PS3.
Also, the fact that the Blu Ray Drive in the PS3 is extremely slow and the reason the PS3 has a HDD was to compensate for it (much like the OXbox had the HDD to compensate for it's 4x DVD Drive, versus the 12x DVD drive of the 360, and Nintendo's solution of just going with smaller discs), so if you actually do use it's entire capacity your game is going to have epic load times, unless you really want to ask people to install 30GB of data to their PS3 hard drive.
Luckily... or not. Sony sold just enough 20GB systems to make that impossible.
You should qualify that the BR-Drive is slow compared to it's capacity rather than compared to a DVD drive. Otherwise PS3 fans will post some graphs or something.
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Unless Sony comes up with yet ANOTHER disc format by the PS4, I'd expect them to drop the standard HDD much like MS did, because Blu Ray drives should be a lot faster by around 2010-11.
Unless Sony comes up with yet ANOTHER disc format by the PS4, I'd expect them to drop the standard HDD much like MS did, because Blu Ray drives should be a lot faster by around 2010-11.
That would break backwards compatibility.
Not saying they won't do it of course, but it would be something for them to think about.
Unless Sony comes up with yet ANOTHER disc format by the PS4, I'd expect them to drop the standard HDD much like MS did, because Blu Ray drives should be a lot faster by around 2010-11.
That would break backwards compatibility.
Not saying they won't do it of course, but it would be something for them to think about.
Sony already broke backwards compat with the PS2. I think they don't care at this point.
And if they made it more easily user-replaceable, you -have- to have it in your SDK that the game can still run without the HDD.
I have no idea how music ever fit on regular CD's, I'm not even sure how they fit on DVD's, but thank god we now have BR Discs to provide enough space for music. :winky:
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with 4 being most likely something that they are building for their own use. Maybe they're installing them in PCs in their own offices, or something.
But yeah, my money would be on number 1.
White only, or possibly Blue.
I expect only one color to be offered, though. Unless it some how REALLY takes off.
How do BRD drives read DVDs, constant angular or constant linear?
I've got one of those!!!
So I'm really just talking to Microsoft and Sony.
Has been posted. Does not explain why Microsoft just placed a really fucking large order for Blu-Ray drives. Either Microsoft or Asustek is lying, and quite honestly Asustek has a better record for me.
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I will say that working at MS, the company has its feelers in everything. It surprises me that more bat-shit rumors don't surface because there's always someone investigating an area, just for feasibility. Most of the time, stuff doesn't pan out because it ends up not making sense for whatever reason. It's funny how some things end up being "discovered" as rumors and others just go no where. I guess because the media and press are crazy about anything/everything Blu-ray, this particular one keeps bubbling back to the top. (In a way, it's similar to those MGS4-to-the-360 rumors that can never die)
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Hidden code methinks. :P
There's at least one guy involved in the 360 team that posts here.
Yeah, but I seriously doubt MS would create a line of Blu-Ray games, thereby excluding their current installed userbase.
Edit: Oops, totally misread that. Ignore me, I should be working.
He's referring to buying a PS3.
And right now the set of PS3 games that are not also on the 360 (and worth playing) can be counted on one hand. Seriously. You don't need one if you've already got the other. (That works both ways, of course.)
So, yes, lots of people would grab the addon if it was any cheaper than a PS3. I probably wouldn't bother because my TV only does 1080i anyway, but I'm sure the current base of 360 owners would be all over it.
As for built-in vs. addon, I'll bet they do both: release an addon and also build Blu-Ray drives right into the 360 Elite Mega edition or whatever, while leaving it out of the cheap ones.
This seems like the smartest plan to me. Replace the Elite, with the Elite v2 (Now with BluRay!!!!) and put out a BluRay addon too. If they can keep the price low enough, they'll be doing good. Cut out part of the PS3s appeal from under Sony.
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-the advantages of size will do them no good because it won't/can't be used for games (unless they are going to provide a drive to all current owners, or introduce 2 different formats for the system... so, very unlikely, and the same position that they took with HD-DVD)
-will only be used for movies, which runs counter to their entire digital distribution scheme, which I think is the big plan for MS
So while I believe it's possible it could be released, I don't think it's all that likely, especially with the market experience around blu-ray since the end of the "format war" (i.e. blu-ray sales are hurting). If it does come out, it will probably be a mid-range peripheral that plays blu-ray discs "acceptably," and little more. Given the market, it probably won't sell a tremendous amount in any event.
For clarity, I cite no authority or reference - pure speculation on my part.
Already have a 360 and want BluRay? You buy the addon, it's cheaper then a standalone player. MS = $$$
Want a new HD console and BluRay? Suddenly a 360 is a good option too.
It basically helps take BluRay off the table as a reason to buy a PS3 over a 360.
But I don't think offering an addon will really help them in the fight for 2nd place by keeping people from buying a PS3 so they can watch BR movies, simply because multi-console ownership is low and will remain low as long as the prices are so high and, in the case of the PS3 and 360, the overlap in games is so large.
As the price drops there might be more people picking up both but I'd hazard a guess that the "mass market" that will be picking up the consoles by then aren't likely to buy both in any case. Multi-console ownership will remain just statistical noise, especially outside of PS3-Wii and Wii-360.
I'd say that if MS puts something like that out it is because they think they can make money by selling it, not for some strategic reason.
As to weather putting out a new "eliter" model with BR, that might help them if BR starts taking off and they can put it out for a competitive price. Both of those remain to be seen.
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Maybe there will be a Microsoft licenced Blu-Ray player with an XBOX built in! paradox?
Didn't Sega do that with the Dreamcast?
The only successful licensing of console ip I can think of is Nintendo stuff on things like planes, it's pretty much standard that the gaming bit on planes nowadays is all network centric console emulation like snes and gameboy advance games.
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Sega have done it with the most of their consoles.
The problem for Microsoft with doing this is that, it runs the risk of creating either a bigger issue of defective consoles, or a third party might just show them up and make one that works:P
They offered to license the XNA library to the other consoles. But seeing as how both the PS3 and Wii primarily use OpenGL, and XNA is based off DirectX..
I don't think we need to worry about Blu Ray 360 games. One, it would be market suicide. Two, Blu Ray offers no big advantage over DVD quite yet since I can think of two games that have actually used the entire capacity of DVD by using Dual Layer (Smash Brawl being one of them), with most games still being one layer. Also, the fact that the Blu Ray Drive in the PS3 is extremely slow and the reason the PS3 has a HDD was to compensate for it (much like the OXbox had the HDD to compensate for it's 4x DVD Drive, versus the 12x DVD drive of the 360, and Nintendo's solution of just going with smaller discs), so if you actually do use it's entire capacity your game is going to have epic load times, unless you really want to ask people to install 30GB of data to their PS3 hard drive.
Luckily... or not. Sony sold just enough 20GB systems to make that impossible.
You should qualify that the BR-Drive is slow compared to it's capacity rather than compared to a DVD drive. Otherwise PS3 fans will post some graphs or something.
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Unless Sony comes up with yet ANOTHER disc format by the PS4, I'd expect them to drop the standard HDD much like MS did, because Blu Ray drives should be a lot faster by around 2010-11.
That would break backwards compatibility.
Not saying they won't do it of course, but it would be something for them to think about.
Sony already broke backwards compat with the PS2. I think they don't care at this point.
And if they made it more easily user-replaceable, you -have- to have it in your SDK that the game can still run without the HDD.
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I have no idea how music ever fit on regular CD's, I'm not even sure how they fit on DVD's, but thank god we now have BR Discs to provide enough space for music. :winky:
X360 needs the BR drive now :P