Also chaosisorder, I'll gladly Paper Rock Scissors for it. Consider yourself challenged!
Ahh! LPM (LewieP's Mom... do you mind if I call you LPM? ), I didn't realize you were making a reference to the same joke! lol! At least our minds were in the same place, for better or worse.
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Such a good idea, themed badges, I could do ones of Lewie from old photos, just so he can contribute more to the strange and embarrassing moments thread ... "I went to PAX, and met loads of people wearing badges of me aged 6" I can just hear him going *sigh*
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Such a good idea, themed badges, I could do ones of Lewie from old photos, just so he can contribute more to the strange and embarrassing moments thread ... "I went to PAX, and met loads of people wearing badges of me aged 6" I can just hear him going *sigh*
You know, I wasn't really interested in this whole button trading thing until right now.
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edited May 2008
I wonder how much Lewie will pay to get those buttons back
I wonder how much Lewie will pay to get those buttons back
I imagine it'll probably be along the lines of "Go to College" vs. "Buy Back Embarrassing PAX Buttons" - I wonder which he'll choose...
On a side note, when I first saw this thread I thought it was a prep thread for the # badges we'll all scramble for from the nVidia booth. I like this "Pokebadges" idea better, though - sign me up!
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edited May 2008
God, I hope nVidia doesn't do that again. I know nVidia loves to give shit away, but can't they do it in a way that doesn't involve people clogging up the standing areas with makeshift cardboard signs?
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I totally want to do this even though nobody knows who I am. I guess I'll use this avatar even though I use a different one on 360 arcadians (which is where I am more often). I've used this one there before too so it works.
I imagine even if we don't get 50 people to participate we'll still probably run into people who think the button thing is cool and will want one. I like the idea of winning them too.
So the copyright thing...I mean how is that going to work? My avatar is a picture I took of a game (EBA if you don't know). So...am I not allowed to make buttons with it? Do I have to get my own button-maker?
After looking up Fair Dealing and Fair Use on the wiki (the Canadian and American equivalents of the same law, essentially), I'm convinced this wouldn't be a problem. Now, IANAL, but there's four considerations under which Fair Use is evaluated:
Purpose and Character: "A key consideration is the extent to which the use is interpreted as transformative, as opposed to merely derivative." In our cases, we're transforming popular icons into forum avatars and personalities. For some, we'd have to take more creative liberties with the images we use, perhaps getting one of the forum artists to create a "non-copyrighted equivalent of the work" first.
Nature of the copied work: I found nothing useful regarding this in either direction.
Amount and substantiality: "Likewise, see Kelly v. Arriba Soft Corporation,where the Ninth Circuit held that copying an entire photo to use as a thumbnail in online search results did not weigh against fair use, "if the secondary user only copies as much as is necessary for his or her intended use." Still frame images used as forum avatars seem to fall under this category.
Effect upon work's value: This is where parody comes in: "Courts recognize that certain kinds of market harm do not oppose fair use, such as when a parody or negative review impairs the market of the original work." But ultimately, I think you'd have to really work at it to ensure that your forum avatar reprinted on some buttons with your name on it significantly affects the market for the original media on which your image is based.
So a) it doesn't look like it's illegal, and b) even if it were, it doesn't look like it's wrong. I know, I know, that doesn't make it right, but there's a whole category of situations where people don't follow the letter of the law, but are okay because without them we'd live in an anal hellhole.
Anyone else want to weight in and let me know where I've seriously misread things, though?
Again, though: not a lawyer. Never even took an interest in it. This is inexpert opinion only.
The only problem is that the robot lawyers don't really actually care much about the actual law. But I guess worst that can happen is I'll order buttons and they'll refuse to fill my order and refund my money. So oh well.
The only problem is that the robot lawyers don't really actually care much about the actual law. But I guess worst that can happen is I'll order buttons and they'll refuse to fill my order and refund my money. So oh well.
My experience with Cafepress is that some times they question stuff, sometimes they ignore it. If they do question it, I have had absolutely no luck with claiming that the work is a parody. Regardless of copyright laws saying or not saying that one can make a direct parody, Cafepress has a direct clause stating that they can refuse anything on a whim. As such, if they can recognise something that remotely looks like someone elses work, they'll shut you down regardless of any argument you can make. That being said, obscure stuff slips by them often.
So people can challenge you for articles of clothing instead?
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uh . . .. i'll have gamer army patches . .. how about that? i've got about nineteen of them left over from last year and i'm sure i'll get some more this year
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I mean, if you're gonna cross that line, cross it sprinting.
Awesome. Putpocket + pointy things. Awesome.
Also I am so in for this. Tentatively. If I end up getting the buttons.
*sigh*
That's what I meant!
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I demand mortal combat before giving up my buttons. Defeat in pictochat. Rock, paper, scissors.
My buttons shall not go quietly into the night.
That's a great idea. I say, if you want to challenge someone for a button, go for it. A DS mini game or something equally simple.
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Also chaosisorder, I'll gladly Paper Rock Scissors for it. Consider yourself challenged!
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lol, awesome!
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The PA TF2 buttons sound like a great idea too jon!
If I can make it to PAX and have money to do so, maybe I'll make a few different FF VI scenes for my buttons. Collect 'em all!
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You know, I wasn't really interested in this whole button trading thing until right now.
I imagine it'll probably be along the lines of "Go to College" vs. "Buy Back Embarrassing PAX Buttons" - I wonder which he'll choose...
On a side note, when I first saw this thread I thought it was a prep thread for the # badges we'll all scramble for from the nVidia booth. I like this "Pokebadges" idea better, though - sign me up!
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Not embarrassing at all, but certainly weird.
Feel free to do it I guess.
I swear to god, every male child has one of those tucked away somewhere in his mother's collection.
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I imagine even if we don't get 50 people to participate we'll still probably run into people who think the button thing is cool and will want one. I like the idea of winning them too.
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Again, though: not a lawyer. Never even took an interest in it. This is inexpert opinion only.
But in my opinion, I wouldn't worry about it.
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My experience with Cafepress is that some times they question stuff, sometimes they ignore it. If they do question it, I have had absolutely no luck with claiming that the work is a parody. Regardless of copyright laws saying or not saying that one can make a direct parody, Cafepress has a direct clause stating that they can refuse anything on a whim. As such, if they can recognise something that remotely looks like someone elses work, they'll shut you down regardless of any argument you can make. That being said, obscure stuff slips by them often.
i look just like my forum avatar . . . and as an added bonus my uniform has my forum handle sewn right on the front.
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So people can challenge you for articles of clothing instead?
:winky:
uh . . .. i'll have gamer army patches . .. how about that? i've got about nineteen of them left over from last year and i'm sure i'll get some more this year
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