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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drez wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Copy protection doesn't treat the consumer like pirates at all, it treats consumers like potential pirates, which they are.

    What?

    This doesn't make any sense. If I already purchased the game, explain how I am a "potential pirate." Like, I can distribute it to others? I'm honestly not sure what logic you are using here. Or what logic EA is using for that matter.

    Also, explain what you mean by "potential pirate" and why I should care. Is everyone that owns a boat a potential pirate of the seven seas? Is everyone that buys a gun a potential murderer? Is everyone that has a penis a potential rapist? This is getting silly.

    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.


    Having gun control laws doesn't make me feel like the government is treating me like a murderer.

    Khavall on
  • eobeteobet 8-bit childhood SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    Copy protection doesn't treat the consumer like pirates at all, it treats consumers like potential pirates, which they are.

    That's like my girlfriend treating me like a potential cheater/rapist...

    DRM should be called "mistrusting computing" instead of "trusted computing".

    See the difference?

    eobet on
    Heard the proposition that RIAA and MPAA should join forces and form "Music And Film Industry Association"?
  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yes, everyone that has a penis is a potential rapist? Good fucking lord, this thread is downright silly now.

    Whiniest Man On Earth on
  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drool wrote: »
    The point is that there are better and more effective systems out there, they chose one that is limiting to customers and is essentially insulting. You can only reactivate the game 3 times. After that, tough shit.
    That is not a good way to make a product.
    The game itself is not the problem. It's EA's choice to use poorly implemented copy protection.
    This is why we are 'outraged'. It takes a potentially great product and smears it with shit for no good reason.

    If it works anything like BioShock if you have it on 3 machines and you uninstall it from one machine you should be able to install it on another.

    Yes I realize they are totally cutting out the people who must have Mass Effect on 4+ machines at all times forever, but I'm sure that's such a small percentage of their customer base they don't care.

    But the FAQ says that it is tied to the specific computer and it doesn't matter if it is installed or uninstalled, only that it has been activated.

    Couscous on
  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    But isn't it EA's job to make money?
    Because taking a good product and fucking it up doesn't seem like a great idea.
    The fact that they even chose to use it is what's dumb here.
    Yeah, it's no EA's job to make a game everyone can play.
    But by requiring the internet, it places limitations that are entirely needless. So they are just making a bad decision that could be easily avoided.

    It's also their job to try to combat piracy. Obviously they feel that their system will have some success and that maybe they will stop more people from pirating and maybe those folks will buy it.

    Apparently they think this number will be greater then those who get mad and stamp their feet and refuse to buy the game.

    Drool on
  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    Drool wrote: »
    The point is that there are better and more effective systems out there, they chose one that is limiting to customers and is essentially insulting. You can only reactivate the game 3 times. After that, tough shit.
    That is not a good way to make a product.
    The game itself is not the problem. It's EA's choice to use poorly implemented copy protection.
    This is why we are 'outraged'. It takes a potentially great product and smears it with shit for no good reason.

    If it works anything like BioShock if you have it on 3 machines and you uninstall it from one machine you should be able to install it on another.

    Yes I realize they are totally cutting out the people who must have Mass Effect on 4+ machines at all times forever, but I'm sure that's such a small percentage of their customer base they don't care.

    But the FAQ says that it is tied to the specific computer and it doesn't matter if it is installed or uninstalled, only that it has been activated.

    Something tells me that will likely change if they start getting a lot of customer service calls.

    Drool on
  • cliffskicliffski Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Everything people say here is irrelevant. you represent maybe 0.01% of the market for Spore and Mass Effect. All that matters is this:

    Securom stopped people pirating Bioshock for the vital first 10 days,.


    Everything else is window dressing. money talks. Stuff that reduces piracy saves the devs millions. Annoying a few passionate rabid anti-DRM fundamentalists doesn't even show up on the radar.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    defrag wrote: »
    Yes, everyone that has a penis is a potential rapist? Good fucking lord, this thread is downright silly now.

    Because that's not true or.

    Because maybe we're confused about what potential means.


    Again, let's say that there's an area that on friday nights has a high incidence of rapes reported. Let's say that you frequent these areas, but aren't a rapist yourself.

    the police increase their presence in the area. Also more lighting is installed.

    Are you offended for being "treated like a rapist"?

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  • eobeteobet 8-bit childhood SwedenRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    eobet on
    Heard the proposition that RIAA and MPAA should join forces and form "Music And Film Industry Association"?
  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Drool wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Drool wrote: »
    The point is that there are better and more effective systems out there, they chose one that is limiting to customers and is essentially insulting. You can only reactivate the game 3 times. After that, tough shit.
    That is not a good way to make a product.
    The game itself is not the problem. It's EA's choice to use poorly implemented copy protection.
    This is why we are 'outraged'. It takes a potentially great product and smears it with shit for no good reason.

    If it works anything like BioShock if you have it on 3 machines and you uninstall it from one machine you should be able to install it on another.

    Yes I realize they are totally cutting out the people who must have Mass Effect on 4+ machines at all times forever, but I'm sure that's such a small percentage of their customer base they don't care.

    But the FAQ says that it is tied to the specific computer and it doesn't matter if it is installed or uninstalled, only that it has been activated.

    Something tells me that will likely change if they start getting a lot of customer service calls.

    Sure it will. Just like Ubisoft patched Starforce out of their games once they got calls. Oh, wait.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I still don't get how preventing piracy for the first ten days matters much. The percentage of pirates who will buy the game because they can't get it within ten days of release is going to be pretty low.

    Couscous on
  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

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  • 143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    As someone who has lived with terrible finicky internet, I see the problem with the system. I just don't see the fuss. It doesn't make EA evil. If you don't want the game because of this, don't buy it. It's available on another system. There's nothing here to get angry about. People need to shut up, calm down and vote with their wallets.

    The only thing that just voting with your wallet does in situations like these is give people like cliffyB more ammunition for half-baked "the PC games market is dying and continual developer/publisher fuckups have nothing to do with it!!!" screeds.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah. If sales on this are bad piracy will be blamed when the ultimate irony is the piracy protection surely will contribute to a lot of community hate.

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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    Yes, everyone that has a penis is a potential rapist? Good fucking lord, this thread is downright silly now.

    Because that's not true or.

    Because maybe we're confused about what potential means.


    Again, let's say that there's an area that on friday nights has a high incidence of rapes reported. Let's say that you frequent these areas, but aren't a rapist yourself.

    the police increase their presence in the area. Also more lighting is installed.

    Are you offended for being "treated like a rapist"?

    Your analogy fails for so many reasons, and yes, because it's true that not everyone with a penis is a potential rapist.

    The world is full of examples of people being upset that their privacy is invaded upon by things like the Patriot Act, random bag searches in stores, receipt checks... I can't see why there's such shock that people don't like any system that treats them like criminals first and consumers second.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Wow, this thread has gone so far down the shitter I couldn't even dig it out with a plumber's snake 100 feet long.

    People who don't like something have a right to bitch and try to change it, it's their time to do what they want with.

    People who don't care have a right not to care and can choose to call people morons because they feel better than them. Or whatever Khavali's argument is I tuned out at the people who buy the game are potential pirates post.

    That's my two cents.

    Kagera on
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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    And just to make sure, you can't go away for longer than 10 days, come back and re-authenticate your game? After 10 days of no internet access your copy is dead and needs to be re-bought?
    No, after the ten day period you need to register it online to play it. Basically, you authenticate it and get 10 days of play time before you have to do it again, after that period is up and you don't authenticate, you don't get to play until you authenticate.

    Goomba on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.

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  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    I still don't get how preventing piracy for the first ten days matters much. The percentage of pirates who will buy the game because they can't get it within ten days of release is going to be pretty low.
    Perhaps they are going with the ADHD theory of pirate kiddies, who won't be able to resist the game for 10 whole days, and will have to ask their parents to buy it for them and mow the lawn a few more times.

    However, if they're going with this theory, why bother protecting an old-and-busted game like Mass Effect? The ADHD crowd probably has an Xbox360 and already bought or rented the game.

    Now there's some excellent analysis for this thread. :lol:

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  • 143999143999 Tellin' ya not askin' ya, not pleadin' with yaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    But isn't it EA's job to make money?
    Because taking a good product and fucking it up doesn't seem like a great idea.
    The fact that they even chose to use it is what's dumb here.
    Yeah, it's no EA's job to make a game everyone can play.
    But by requiring the internet, it places limitations that are entirely needless. So they are just making a bad decision that could be easily avoided.

    Is EA a publically-held company?

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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.

    Yup.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    Whiniest Man On Earth on
  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Daedalus wrote: »
    Drool wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Drool wrote: »
    The point is that there are better and more effective systems out there, they chose one that is limiting to customers and is essentially insulting. You can only reactivate the game 3 times. After that, tough shit.
    That is not a good way to make a product.
    The game itself is not the problem. It's EA's choice to use poorly implemented copy protection.
    This is why we are 'outraged'. It takes a potentially great product and smears it with shit for no good reason.

    If it works anything like BioShock if you have it on 3 machines and you uninstall it from one machine you should be able to install it on another.

    Yes I realize they are totally cutting out the people who must have Mass Effect on 4+ machines at all times forever, but I'm sure that's such a small percentage of their customer base they don't care.

    But the FAQ says that it is tied to the specific computer and it doesn't matter if it is installed or uninstalled, only that it has been activated.

    Something tells me that will likely change if they start getting a lot of customer service calls.

    Sure it will. Just like Ubisoft patched Starforce out of their games once they got calls. Oh, wait.

    Yes because Ubi and Starforce have something to do with this argument. Oh, wait.

    A better analogy would be when Securom made adjustments to the way the BioShock system worked after having trouble.

    Except that doesn't even fit becuase EA is using it's own servers and customer service and most the problems that cropped up with the BioShock launch were due to 2K using Securom's servers/CS.

    Drool on
  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    This thread is a perfect example of why I don't bother coming to G&T anymore.
    Khavall wrote: »
    Copy protection doesn't treat the consumer like pirates at all, it treats consumers like potential pirates, which they are.

    Did you read this sentence before you posted this? A consumer is a consumer. The direct opposite of a pirate. They paid for the product. They bought it. They're a consumer now. Not a pirate. Consumer != pirate.

    And a potential pirate. No one has ever, to my knowledge, distributed a game that they didn't have.
    You're using two different meanings of pirate now, and you know it. The first is that they treat the consumer like potential pirates (read: potentially having downloaded an illegal version of the game). Stick with that and admit your mistake, instead of pretending like you were referring to illegal copying and distribution, which their online authentication does not attempt to prevent.

    SithDrummer on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    titmouse wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.
    No, you own the ability to play ME. You don't get to upload on some site so all of your close buddies can play it.

    Goomba on
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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yes but they have every right to employ any copy protection they want. They aren't even obligated to publish a PC version of the game.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Look, someone's going to pirate the game, right?

    And someone's going to do their best to distribute and crack the game, right?

    And this is going to help to deter them, right?

    Now there are also going to be people who buy it who don't.

    How does EA know which is which? They release the game with protection against copy-protection. It doesn't say "YOU'RE ALL PIRATES" it says "Any one who buys this could be someone who cracks it and distributes it, so we're going to make it harder to do that".

    That's not treating the consumer like a pirate, that's treating the consumer like they have the potential to be a pirate, which they do.

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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    This thread is a perfect example of why I don't bother coming to G&T anymore.
    Khavall wrote: »
    Copy protection doesn't treat the consumer like pirates at all, it treats consumers like potential pirates, which they are.

    Did you read this sentence before you posted this? A consumer is a consumer. The direct opposite of a pirate. They paid for the product. They bought it. They're a consumer now. Not a pirate. Consumer != pirate.

    And a potential pirate. No one has ever, to my knowledge, distributed a game that they didn't have.
    You're using two different meanings of pirate now, and you know it. The first is that they treat the consumer like potential pirates (read: potentially having downloaded an illegal version of the game). Stick with that, instead of jumping to illegal copying and distribution, which their online authentication does not attempt to prevent.
    Yes it does. If you share your key and they find out, it gets banned, which is why they have the 10 day check thing. At least, that's how I saw it.

    Goomba on
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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Goomba wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.
    No, you own the ability to play ME. You don't get to upload on some site so all of your close buddies can play it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    Absolutely not. Especially since, in my case, I live in California, where the federal courts have ruled exactly the opposite.

    Whiniest Man On Earth on
  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Normally I'd lock this thread so I didn't have to sit here and watch for name-calling and flaming.

    But I'm really bored, and I'm stuck here with nothing to do, so I'll just leave it open and keep handing out red cards to anyone who can't debate civilly.

    Captain K on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    defrag wrote: »
    Goomba wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.
    No, you own the ability to play ME. You don't get to upload on some site so all of your close buddies can play it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    Absolutely not. Especially since, in my case, I live in California, where the federal courts have ruled exactly the opposite.
    Yes, I saw that. Did you see this part "That means that a copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end, once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made."?

    Goomba on
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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Shit, this thread/discussion should just move to D&D, where this kind of thing just wouldn't fly.

    Whiniest Man On Earth on
  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Khavall wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    This thread is a perfect example of why I don't bother coming to G&T anymore.
    Khavall wrote: »
    Copy protection doesn't treat the consumer like pirates at all, it treats consumers like potential pirates, which they are.

    Did you read this sentence before you posted this? A consumer is a consumer. The direct opposite of a pirate. They paid for the product. They bought it. They're a consumer now. Not a pirate. Consumer != pirate.

    And a potential pirate. No one has ever, to my knowledge, distributed a game that they didn't have.
    You're using two different meanings of pirate now, and you know it. The first is that they treat the consumer like potential pirates (read: potentially having downloaded an illegal version of the game). Stick with that and admit your mistake, instead of pretending like you were referring to illegal copying and distribution, which their online authentication does not attempt to prevent.

    Fine.

    no one has ever to my knowledge played a game for which they didn't have the legal way of getting through the encryption or the illegal work-around.

    This CD-key will be cracked. But if someone downloads it without the crack they won't be able to play it. And how do we tell who has a cracked version and who doesn't? By instituting a wide-sweeping anti-piracy system which will deter the pirates while trying not to interfere with the consumer, which involves such things as having the game automatically maintain its anti-piracy after one activation.

    Khavall on
  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Goomba wrote: »
    defrag wrote: »
    Goomba wrote: »
    titmouse wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    eobet wrote: »
    Khavall wrote: »
    Yes, and if there's some lighting installed in a high-rape area to decrease rape I don't feel like the city is treating me like a rapist.

    You fucking moron.

    If that area was YOUR area, an area YOU exclusively paid for, to be used by YOU only, and someone did that, how the fuck would YOU feel?

    Your example only fits if you let other people use your area, ie. you lend a CD/game to someone, and even then, it's fucked up, because why shouldn't you be able to do that, even if you lend it to a pirate/rapist?

    Did you pay for the development of the game?

    Do you own bioware?

    Do you own EA?

    no? Then you don't own Mass Effect, you own a license to play Mass Effect.

    Fuck that. I own a copy of Mass Effect if I buy it, and I can do whatever the hell I want with it. Fuck EULAs.
    No, you own the ability to play ME. You don't get to upload on some site so all of your close buddies can play it.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine

    Absolutely not. Especially since, in my case, I live in California, where the federal courts have ruled exactly the opposite.
    Yes, I saw that. Did you see this part "That means that a copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end, once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made."?
    TFA wrote:
    Federal district courts in California and Texas have issued decisions applying the doctrine of first sale for bundled computer software in Softman v. Adobe (2001) and Novell, Inc. v. CPU Distrib., Inc. (2000) even if the software contains an EULA prohibiting resale. In the Softman case, after purchasing bundled software (a box containing many programs that are also available individually) from Adobe Systems, Softman unbundled it and then resold the component programs. The court ruled that Softman could resell the bundled software, no matter what the EULA stipulates, because Softman had never assented to the EULA. Specifically, the ruling decreed that software purchases be treated as sales transactions, rather than explicit license agreements. In other words, the court ruling argued that California consumers should have the same rights they would enjoy under existing copyright legislation when buying a CD or a book.

    Whiniest Man On Earth on
  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    So that's a no, then? Uploading it so people can download it would result in it being copied which would result in your little doctrine being moot.

    Goomba on
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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Things that need to be reiterated -

    1. From what I can tell, EA have done nothing either on the box, or with retailers stating that it requires an internet connection. IANAL, but this is against most international sales of goods acts. This would be grounds to get a full refund if you should so wish. It is also poor form on EA's behalf.

    2. I stated this earlier in the thread, but I imagine lots of people are just entering the thread now. On a popular A search for "Bioshock -360" gives 179 results, the same search gives "Sins of a solar empire" 2 results, and "galactic civilisations" 1 result (and that is a demo). Not an exact science by any means, but it certainly goes to show that securom is far from perfect, and by using this invasive DRM, EA are in a way throwing down the gauntlet to the hacking communities. Whoever is first to crack if will get a lot of 'street cred' as it were.

    3. There are hundreds of decent reasons why someone might use up a limited number of installs. Corrupted hard drive, corrupted windows install, shared computer, forgetfulness (how many of you could list of by heart all the games you have installed at once, it's certainly reasonable that at least 1 person would be unable to). I have installed halflife over 12 times.

    Sure, you can phone them up and get them to sort it out, but in 5 minutes of searching I was unable to find a contact number, and other people have said that in the past EA have taken a long time to respond to emails.

    4. Stop using rape and/or car metaphors. They tend to not work, because someone will overstretch them beyond the confines of the original metaphor. Like a car that's ran out of petrol and can't rape someone any more.

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  • Whiniest Man On EarthWhiniest Man On Earth Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I don't own a license to play ME, I own ME. Federal Courts say so.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    1. From what I can tell, EA have done nothing either on the box, or with retailers stating that it requires an internet connection. IANAL, but this is against most international sales of goods acts. This would be grounds to get a full refund if you should so wish. It is also poor form on EA's behalf.
    http://masseffect.bioware.com/_commonext/images/me/cover/masseffect_pc_box_cover_01_532x778.jpg
    It is in small font right next to the M rating.

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  • GoombaGoomba __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    Things that need to be reiterated -

    1. From what I can tell, EA have done nothing either on the box, or with retailers stating that it requires an internet connection. IANAL, but this is against most international sales of goods acts. This would be grounds to get a full refund if you should so wish. It is also poor form on EA's behalf.

    2. I stated this earlier in the thread, but I imagine lots of people are just entering the thread now. On a popular A search for "Bioshock -360" gives 179 results, the same search gives "Sins of a solar empire" 2 results, and "galactic civilisations" 1 result (and that is a demo). Not an exact science by any means, but it certainly goes to show that securom is far from perfect, and by using this invasive DRM, EA are in a way throwing down the gauntlet to the hacking communities. Whoever is first to crack if will get a lot of 'street cred' as it were.

    3. There are hundreds of decent reasons why someone might use up a limited number of installs. Corrupted hard drive, corrupted windows install, shared computer, forgetfulness (how many of you could list of by heart all the games you have installed at once, it's certainly reasonable that at least 1 person would be unable to). I have installed halflife over 12 times.

    Sure, you can phone them up and get them to sort it out, but in 5 minutes of searching I was unable to find a contact number, and other people have said that in the past EA have taken a long time to respond to emails.

    4. Stop using rape and/or car metaphors. They tend to not work, because someone will overstretch them beyond the confines of the original metaphor. Like a car that's ran out of petrol and can't rape someone any more.
    I searched for Gal Civ on another site and got about 20 hits. "Bioshock -360" got maybe twice that. Just sayin'.

    As for your third point, call EA. It's what it's there for. I don't know what your "searching" consisted of, so I can't really help with that, but I'm pretty damn sure they'll list it in the manual.

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  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited May 2008
    Apparently no one here is capable of discussing this without acting like a huge moron or just blatantly trolling. The entire first page of the report forum is filled with posts and infractions from this thread. This is fucking ridiculous.

    Since it is a pretty big news item, I might be okay with it if someone makes another thread about it and wants to start anew. But not for 24 hours. Calm yourselves down and learn how to have an argument without alluding to rape or apartheid or the fucking Nazis.

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  • Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    man I was having a good time


    now what am I supposed to do

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