You might want to take a couple out of Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA and grab Fel Intellect since you've got Dark Pact and the pets' stats will be scaling.
I don't think you were being greedy. You were just following the loot rules as they were set-up. However, after winning one book, I would have waited on rolling on the second one to see if he needed it first. That's me though, I would never hold someone else to that. If you followed the loot rules set by the leader then there should be no complaints.
I managed to get the Talon for my lock a few weeks ago. (Almost lost it to a Paladin because of our guild "mains over alts" rule. A good rule, but it was rightfully forgotten by the loot council in this case.) I'm still dying for a main hand though. The only one hander I even have is a level 50 blue that I picked up just to have some fun with firestones. I refuse to run AB enough to get the caster dagger and the damn mageblade from MC just won't drop! This game needs more one handers with + spell crit! (Honestly, I'm spoiled though, I have a SoD. I just like the look of a blade and off hand.)
You might want to take a couple out of Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA and grab Fel Intellect since you've got Dark Pact and the pets' stats will be scaling.
The total mp of the pet won't be that important, mana regen will, which that talent won't affect.
You might want to take a couple out of Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA and grab Fel Intellect since you've got Dark Pact and the pets' stats will be scaling.
The total mp of the pet won't be that important, mana regen will, which that talent won't affect.
I'm guessing it's picked basically so the pet has more to pull from.
oh, and on that note, is it just me or does the Imp regen mana really fast?
No, he certainly does. Using him as a battery, the size of your pets mana pool may become a limiting factor since Dark Pact will be factoring in your +Damage bonus, simillar to how Life Tap was recently changed to work.
And really, it's Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA as an alternative; not only would I not miss them, I probably wouldn't even realize they were gone.
No, he certainly does. Using him as a battery, the size of your pets mana pool may become a limiting factor since Dark Pact will be factoring in your +Damage bonus, simillar to how Life Tap was recently changed to work.
And really, it's Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA as an alternative; not only would I not miss them, I probably wouldn't even realize they were gone.
Except..imp healthstone is still very useful, because it allows people to have more than one healthstone in their inventory.
I just personally would never take fel intellect, except perhaps for a pvp demo build, since that's not about lasting a long time, and only if the felguard is pretty good.
No, he certainly does. Using him as a battery, the size of your pets mana pool may become a limiting factor since Dark Pact will be factoring in your +Damage bonus, simillar to how Life Tap was recently changed to work.
And really, it's Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA as an alternative; not only would I not miss them, I probably wouldn't even realize they were gone.
Except..imp healthstone is still very useful, because it allows people to have more than one healthstone in their inventory.
I just personally would never take fel intellect, except perhaps for a pvp demo build, since that's not about lasting a long time, and only if the felguard is pretty good.
No, he certainly does. Using him as a battery, the size of your pets mana pool may become a limiting factor since Dark Pact will be factoring in your +Damage bonus, simillar to how Life Tap was recently changed to work.
And really, it's Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA as an alternative; not only would I not miss them, I probably wouldn't even realize they were gone.
Except..imp healthstone is still very useful, because it allows people to have more than one healthstone in their inventory.
I just personally would never take fel intellect, except perhaps for a pvp demo build, since that's not about lasting a long time, and only if the felguard is pretty good.
huh?
If you have a 1/2 improved healthstone you can give a person your health stone and they can have one from someone with 2/2 improved and someone with 0/2 improved.
But they are on the same timer, so its really not that great. If your tanks are really struggling to stay alive you can just run up to them and open trade for a new one mid combat or he can just pop a tuber which now shares the CD. Its a nice bonus, but hardly "very useful" imo. Unfortunatly the entire tier 2 ventures into "far from useful" for most end game builds, so its still a filler I'd take to get deeper.
But they are on the same timer, so its really not that great. If your tanks are really struggling to stay alive you can just run up to them and open trade for a new one mid combat or he can just pop a tuber which now shares the CD. Its a nice bonus, but hardly "very useful" imo. Unfortunatly the entire tier 2 ventures into "far from useful" for most end game builds, so its still a filler I'd take to get deeper.
If you give him one mid combat(hard to do with the importance of positioning)then either you're giving him yours, or you summoned a new one in combat.
I've raided before in groups with 0/2, 1/2, and 2/2 and I found it very useful.
This is what Im thinking about for my warlock. Any thoughts on that?
I'd take the 3 points in imp succy and put them into fel stamina. I don't know about you, but if I go demonology, I want a damn good felguard, so I'll put a premium on buffing him.
Ok, Ill think about that. Im also planning on raiding with my warlock, casually though. Meaning that Ill raid when I can but I dont plan on spending every weeknight raiding (quite possibly Im delusional about this). So, will this be anywhere acceptable for raiding? Will it be usefull at all? At the moment my pet is used as an off tank or just some extra DPS, any chance this will be true in the 60 instances? I have a 60 shaman but I dont usually pay attention to what the warlocks are doing.
Attack Power: +355 (Total Damage: 238-291)
Armor: +226
Strength: Nothing
Agility: Nothing
Stamina: +86
Intellect: +45
Spirit: Nothing
Resists: Arcane, Shadow, Frost are +4, Fire is +16
Now to figure it out...
+Spell Power definently adds to +Attack Power - directly.
I tested with a Talisman of Ephemeral Power (+175) and my pet gained 99 attack power, and only attack power. The actual percentage turned out to be (99/175 gives 56.57%)
56.57% of my total spell damage, including the shadow damage (Which is +584) gives gives the result 330, which isn't quite what was gained. Really not sure on this one.
Resists seems pretty straightforward, your pet gains 40% of your resistances (My 40 FR gave the Felguard 16 FR)
REALLY not sure what the bonuses are from basic stats. It seemed to gain different % of different stats gained, like ~30% of Intellect, or ~35% of armor or ~35% of stamina, etc etc
The felguard, at level 60, seems to have 238 base AP, which is 118 base dps. Cleave is an instant attack, adding 50 damage, every 6 seconds. The pet receives 57% of your +damage, in the form of AP, and the felguard can get a stacking buff granting it 50% of it's AP.
A warlock with 400 or so +damage, will seemingly have a felguard doing 200 dps, with maximum usage of cleave and demonic frenzy.
The felguard, at level 60, seems to have 238 base AP, which is 118 base dps. Cleave is an instant attack, adding 50 damage, every 6 seconds. The pet receives 57% of your +damage, in the form of AP, and the felguard can get a stacking buff granting it 50% of it's AP.
A warlock with 400 or so +damage, will seemingly have a felguard doing 200 dps, with maximum usage of cleave and demonic frenzy.
After reading that it sounds like he's a tiny warrior, so it sounds like demonlogy would be nice for instances goin on the fact that he can off-tank pretty good or DPS. That sound about right?
Also, are there plans to add the felguard to the demonic sacrifice or the master demologist talents? Im thinking its a slim to none chance because the talents are already out, but you never know.
It needs more mitigation or a bloodthirst-HPreturn type of move before I'm completely sold on the idea in pve.
Yeah, 3900 hp at lvl 60 is a tad bit low, but then, avoidance may end up being enough to keep him alive. Hunter pets get more armor and hp, but no protection from AoE.
The felguard does get an MD buff, it's just not unique, it's the same 10% damage ones as the succy.
I don't know that I want a DS buff for the felguard. If I'm going to go that deep into demonology to get this pet, I want to actually use the pet.
After looking at Felguard some more, I see how strong he is. Being able to solo Outland mobs is impressive.
However, after watching the videos, he seems like he could be a little hard to manage. Having to draw him back in or keep him on passive until you use Intercept. Of course, thats just how that one Warlock was playing him. I'm sure I'll be able to find some good uses for him.
That was all world PvP though, BGs can get a lot more fierce than the "I get to attack first" fights he seemed to be fighting.
Still Felguard looks promising. People hoot and holler about how the Hunter pets have 7000 HP, but... they can't Soul Link with their pets. Felguard has the 2nd highest HP of all our demons. Voidwalker's is higher, but he has crap DPS.
I'm sure at Lv70 the Felguard will be a powerhouse.
I just realized a great strategy for PvP with the Felguard for opening a fight would be to have him put on "stay" but on defensive stance with Intercept on auto-attack.
Then when someone attacks you or gets in range, the Felguard will Intercept them from the start of the fight. Then throw on a quick DoT, DeathCoil, Fear, DoT, DoT, Nuke, Nuke, make Felguard get some more distance and then Intercept again.
A followup on my post on the last page: my PvE speed went waaaay down changing from Affliction to Destruction at 46. I had no idea it was gonna be that bad :sigh:
I absolutely hate my Destruction build ... I miss all that is affliction ... ALL ... Sure, the conflag is kinda fun, possibly shadowbolt and soulfire reduced cast times may be handy, but that's just not my way.
I miss my affliction so much, I don't know if I can wait the 1-2 months for the free respec.
I absolutely hate my Destruction build ... I miss all that is affliction ... ALL ... Sure, the conflag is kinda fun, possibly shadowbolt and soulfire reduced cast times may be handy, but that's just not my way.
I miss my affliction so much, I don't know if I can wait the 1-2 months for the free respec.
Destruction is fine and good, but to me, it always felt like being a watered down Mage with no real escape abilities, or mana regen abilities. Much better to put 31+ points into Destruction for Raiding/Partying DPS instead of solo PvE/PvP in my opinion.
I tried out a Conflag build for a few weeks many months ago, then switched back to Demonology. My respec cost was at 45g months ago, now its back down to 20g. I'm highly looking forward to either a Felguard/Nightfall build, or Unstable Affliction/Shadowburn build in the expansion.
My guildie is the best warlock I've ever seen in PVP and his favorite build is a very heavy destruction build. He's pretty well geared, but not decked out. Like full MC, smatterins of BWL, anything he would want from AQ20/ZG and maybe some AQ40 drops, but nothing insane.
And really he's a beast.
Right now he's running the SM/Ruin build and raping things with shadowbolts.
I recently respecd to Soul Link at 52, because every goddamned instance run I hit I was getting my ass handed to me because I can't find any good tanks. So I did it for survivability. The kill time is so much slower, and downtime is greater, but I can do some pretty crazy shit now, particularly at the Demon camps in Felwood.
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Same here, I'm currently leveling with a drain tank build but I'm getting the urge to either try out a Destruction build or return to my old Demonology build.
I am rolling with an SM/Ruin build and I love it. I messed with other builds and I just wasn't happy. I love going out and soloing 59 elites. With the expansion I thought about repecing but I dunno if I can give up SM or Ruin.
I might respec at least once so I can play with the felguard.
I stayed with a drain tanking build from 30-60 and then once I hit 60 I immediately respecced out of it. I chose SM/Ruin and am in a raiding guild. I've been farming CC rep in Silithus solo forever now and I can still manage great with the sm/ruin build in a solo grinding environment with no downtime.
My played time was 15 days to get to 60 but you have to factor in goofing off time and etc.
Ok, what is a drain tanking build? All I can think of is you take that talent that gets you to be less likely to be inturrupted during drain life and you just drain them while they beat on you. Doesn't sound too effective. Anyone care to clear that up?
Open with the fire nuke that adds a DOT, then Curse of Agony, then Siphon Life, then Corruption, then start Draining Life. Even while being beat on I get life faster than I lose it, even against mobs 3-4 levels above me. And it takes almost no mana, and since I actualy gain life the entire fight I life tap to regen mana, meaning absolutely ZERO down time. It's so fucking fast, it's crazy.
And at worst adds mean I just DOT both, and bandage afterwards, still not eating and drinking. I use the Succubus for this, good added damage.
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I have recently respecced from NF/Conflag to a SM/DS build for raiding after getting fed up of reading into IMMUNE and having half of my damage spells rendered useless.
First raid into bwl on Vael hit my largest crit ever, Shadowbolt 3203, im never ever going back to destruction
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Holy crap, Im now seriously considering goin PvP... and I used to absolutely hate PvP. Hmmm... I dunno, I still like raids and all that, so has anyone heard how good a full demonology spec is for instances? And since Im totally new to warlock PvP, what should the demonology spec look like? I was looking at this but I dont know if the fel stamina/intelect was worth the three points, not sure where else Id put it though. If I was going for a PvP Fel Guard spec I wouldnt think Id need the improved demons. Anyway, tips? Suggestions? Reasons why Im totally fucking wrong?
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If the talent calculator isn't inaccurate, 1 point in MD gives you the 5% dmg bonus with Fel Guard, the ranks only increase the amount of resist. Interesting.
If the talent calculator isn't inaccurate, 1 point in MD gives you the 5% dmg bonus with Fel Guard, the ranks only increase the amount of resist. Interesting.
It's not like it matters, since 5 points in MD is worth it.
omg, these new talents are so sweet. Demo locks get +3% HP, +3% Mana, our demons take less damage AND we get increased spell damage from Demonic Knowledge, I can't wait to see the numbers on this shit.
If the talent calculator isn't inaccurate, 1 point in MD gives you the 5% dmg bonus with Fel Guard, the ranks only increase the amount of resist. Interesting.
It's not like it matters, since 5 points in MD is worth it.
Depends, if you only plan on having your felguard out you might want to put the points elsewhere... Not exactly realistic, but just an observation.
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I don't think you were being greedy. You were just following the loot rules as they were set-up. However, after winning one book, I would have waited on rolling on the second one to see if he needed it first. That's me though, I would never hold someone else to that. If you followed the loot rules set by the leader then there should be no complaints.
I managed to get the Talon for my lock a few weeks ago. (Almost lost it to a Paladin because of our guild "mains over alts" rule. A good rule, but it was rightfully forgotten by the loot council in this case.) I'm still dying for a main hand though. The only one hander I even have is a level 50 blue that I picked up just to have some fun with firestones. I refuse to run AB enough to get the caster dagger and the damn mageblade from MC just won't drop! This game needs more one handers with + spell crit! (Honestly, I'm spoiled though, I have a SoD. I just like the look of a blade and off hand.)
The total mp of the pet won't be that important, mana regen will, which that talent won't affect.
oh, and on that note, is it just me or does the Imp regen mana really fast?
And really, it's Imp. Healthstone and Imp. CoA as an alternative; not only would I not miss them, I probably wouldn't even realize they were gone.
Except..imp healthstone is still very useful, because it allows people to have more than one healthstone in their inventory.
I just personally would never take fel intellect, except perhaps for a pvp demo build, since that's not about lasting a long time, and only if the felguard is pretty good.
huh?
If you have a 1/2 improved healthstone you can give a person your health stone and they can have one from someone with 2/2 improved and someone with 0/2 improved.
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
If you give him one mid combat(hard to do with the importance of positioning)then either you're giving him yours, or you summoned a new one in combat.
I've raided before in groups with 0/2, 1/2, and 2/2 and I found it very useful.
I'd take the 3 points in imp succy and put them into fel stamina. I don't know about you, but if I go demonology, I want a damn good felguard, so I'll put a premium on buffing him.
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
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The felguard, at level 60, seems to have 238 base AP, which is 118 base dps. Cleave is an instant attack, adding 50 damage, every 6 seconds. The pet receives 57% of your +damage, in the form of AP, and the felguard can get a stacking buff granting it 50% of it's AP.
A warlock with 400 or so +damage, will seemingly have a felguard doing 200 dps, with maximum usage of cleave and demonic frenzy.
After reading that it sounds like he's a tiny warrior, so it sounds like demonlogy would be nice for instances goin on the fact that he can off-tank pretty good or DPS. That sound about right?
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Yeah, 3900 hp at lvl 60 is a tad bit low, but then, avoidance may end up being enough to keep him alive. Hunter pets get more armor and hp, but no protection from AoE.
The felguard does get an MD buff, it's just not unique, it's the same 10% damage ones as the succy.
I don't know that I want a DS buff for the felguard. If I'm going to go that deep into demonology to get this pet, I want to actually use the pet.
However, after watching the videos, he seems like he could be a little hard to manage. Having to draw him back in or keep him on passive until you use Intercept. Of course, thats just how that one Warlock was playing him. I'm sure I'll be able to find some good uses for him.
That was all world PvP though, BGs can get a lot more fierce than the "I get to attack first" fights he seemed to be fighting.
Still Felguard looks promising. People hoot and holler about how the Hunter pets have 7000 HP, but... they can't Soul Link with their pets. Felguard has the 2nd highest HP of all our demons. Voidwalker's is higher, but he has crap DPS.
I'm sure at Lv70 the Felguard will be a powerhouse.
Then when someone attacks you or gets in range, the Felguard will Intercept them from the start of the fight. Then throw on a quick DoT, DeathCoil, Fear, DoT, DoT, Nuke, Nuke, make Felguard get some more distance and then Intercept again.
I miss my affliction so much, I don't know if I can wait the 1-2 months for the free respec.
Destruction is fine and good, but to me, it always felt like being a watered down Mage with no real escape abilities, or mana regen abilities. Much better to put 31+ points into Destruction for Raiding/Partying DPS instead of solo PvE/PvP in my opinion.
I tried out a Conflag build for a few weeks many months ago, then switched back to Demonology. My respec cost was at 45g months ago, now its back down to 20g. I'm highly looking forward to either a Felguard/Nightfall build, or Unstable Affliction/Shadowburn build in the expansion.
And really he's a beast.
Right now he's running the SM/Ruin build and raping things with shadowbolts.
I recently respecd to Soul Link at 52, because every goddamned instance run I hit I was getting my ass handed to me because I can't find any good tanks. So I did it for survivability. The kill time is so much slower, and downtime is greater, but I can do some pretty crazy shit now, particularly at the Demon camps in Felwood.
Decisions, decisions...
I might respec at least once so I can play with the felguard.
My played time was 15 days to get to 60 but you have to factor in goofing off time and etc.
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And at worst adds mean I just DOT both, and bandage afterwards, still not eating and drinking. I use the Succubus for this, good added damage.
My sweet, untouched Miranda
And while the seagulls are crying
We fall but our souls are flying
First raid into bwl on Vael hit my largest crit ever, Shadowbolt 3203, im never ever going back to destruction
ever
Thats .. oh my
Holy crap, Im now seriously considering goin PvP... and I used to absolutely hate PvP. Hmmm... I dunno, I still like raids and all that, so has anyone heard how good a full demonology spec is for instances? And since Im totally new to warlock PvP, what should the demonology spec look like? I was looking at this but I dont know if the fel stamina/intelect was worth the three points, not sure where else Id put it though. If I was going for a PvP Fel Guard spec I wouldnt think Id need the improved demons. Anyway, tips? Suggestions? Reasons why Im totally fucking wrong?
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/bc-warlock/talents.html?0500200000000000000002350030130250103501351505000010000000000000
My Nightfall/Felguard Build
omg, these new talents are so sweet. Demo locks get +3% HP, +3% Mana, our demons take less damage AND we get increased spell damage from Demonic Knowledge, I can't wait to see the numbers on this shit.
Depends, if you only plan on having your felguard out you might want to put the points elsewhere... Not exactly realistic, but just an observation.
Im loving Demonic Knowledge. Loving it hard.
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