Damn! I can already hear the Mages invading the Warlock forum, screaming bloody murder over how overpowered we are.
I've always thought that Warlocks were the "Caster killers" in WoW. Warlocks are former Mages who desired more power and delved too deeply in demonic arts to gain more control over magics. So it always made sense to me that they would be a counter to Mages/Priests and Druids to a degree. With strong DPS classes like Warriors, Rogues and Hunters being their counter.
I know that doesn't exactly hold true in most situations, but I always thought it was somewhat the case.
I just started playing on a PVE server. I wanted to dink around with a warlock but i'm not sure which one to make...gah I hate this. I would prefer alliance but undeads just look so...cool. What does anyone think about this rediculous dillema?
I just started playing on a PVE server. I wanted to dink around with a warlock but i'm not sure which one to make...gah I hate this. I would prefer alliance but undeads just look so...cool. What does anyone think about this rediculous dillema?
What server?
Also, I've found Orcs to be the best-looking lock race. Nothing beats huge shoulders.
I just started playing on a PVE server. I wanted to dink around with a warlock but i'm not sure which one to make...gah I hate this. I would prefer alliance but undeads just look so...cool. What does anyone think about this rediculous dillema?
Blood Elf all the way, if you can wait. Moreso than any other class combo with the Elves or any Draenei combination, I think warlocks fit that race the best.
True but I can confirm that male orcs look way stupid on a dreadstead...I mean It looks like I am going to break the poor things back.
I don't like them either. My female orc warlock rides a raptor. It looks cool and the enemy doesn't say "hey, warlock incoming" from five hundred yards away. Hooray for mount hax.
Yeah been trying to think of another mount to use. While I am happy I got the thing cause it was a fun fight. I am realizing how gay I look on it. I could get the AV one but I dunno really.
Do you use it for bosses? I had just gotten it and only saved it for bosses. Is this the norm? it says it could summon a Doomguard.
Does anyone use this? should I use this? Was I gambling with my party and got lucky it never happened?
It only has a chance to summon a doomguard if the actual damage from Curse of Doom kills the target. Which in raiding situations is very very rare. If a doomguard pops up in a raid from that, its more a novelty than a concern.
I personally don't use Curse of Doom much more as it doesn't scale well with gear and it gets knocked off all the time by serpent stings and the like (although admittedly I don't think I've tried it since they added debuff "priority"). However, with the new spell damage algorithms based on duration and a higher debuff slots to be implemented, it may become viable again. I do like using it on shadow vuln mobs and see how high it can get.
I throw COD down if I am about it eat it. Basically a f-you to whatever is going to kill me. My guild is pretty good about letting it go off. But till they change the number of debuff slots. It's really hard to keep up.
plus with your other dots and SB you can unless COD crits equal or surpass the damage.
and f my gay looking dreadstead, male orc FTL. I am getting a wolf.
I just started playing on a PVE server. I wanted to dink around with a warlock but i'm not sure which one to make...gah I hate this. I would prefer alliance but undeads just look so...cool. What does anyone think about this rediculous dillema?
Blood Elf all the way, if you can wait. Moreso than any other class combo with the Elves or any Draenei combination, I think warlocks fit that race the best.
If you want to play an alliance warlock, go gnome all the way. Pint-sized evil for the win. Otherwise go undead.
I loves my gnome warlock.
MuddBudd on
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
You can tank as a SL spec.
I've personally tanked Mauradon and Sunken Temple (I'm only lvl 55) and a guildy has tanked Strat Scholo and DM. The problem is finding a group to take a warlock over warrior/druid/paladin for a tank. So usually it's just offtanking.
And if you're really worried about just instance usefullness, then destruction is probably the best build for that.
EWom on
Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
Is there any way to make a macro or somethin that when I use the BE Mount it starts playing music?
Ok, warlock question, How usefull is a demonology spec in instances? Would I be better off going affliction?
Probably. If they can queue sounds on dodges for the warrior's overpower mod, I can't see it being out of the realm of possibility.
Are we talking about 5-10 man stuff, or 20-40 man raiding? Demonology is fine for most instances. MD is useful given different situations. If, however, you're all about maxing your dps output, I'd say an affliction build like SM/ruin is probably better, unless you have crazy good gear and need the threat reduction from MD. Chances are, however, unless you're pushing Naxx and need every ounce of DPS possible, a demo specc'd lock will hardly hamper any raid, so spec what you find more fun. PVP and grinding as MD/ruin (which a lot of raiding demo locks are) is atrocious, IMO.
Is there any way to make a macro or somethin that when I use the BE Mount it starts playing music?
Ok, warlock question, How usefull is a demonology spec in instances? Would I be better off going affliction?
Probably. If they can queue sounds on dodges for the warrior's overpower mod, I can't see it being out of the realm of possibility.
Are we talking about 5-10 man stuff, or 20-40 man raiding? Demonology is fine for most instances. MD is useful given different situations. If, however, you're all about maxing your dps output, I'd say an affliction build like SM/ruin is probably better, unless you have crazy good gear and need the threat reduction from MD. Chances are, however, unless you're pushing Naxx and need every ounce of DPS possible, a demo specc'd lock will hardly hamper any raid, so spec what you find more fun. PVP and grinding as MD/ruin (which a lot of raiding demo locks are) is atrocious, IMO.
See, I never really considered Destruction cause it looked like it was just immatation mage spec. Im probly way off, but I think i like demo and affliction more. As of now Im plannin on getting the fel guard so I was hoping I could do instances as a demo spec. Sounds like I could off tank, which is fine by me! But anyway, as a demo spec warlock, Ill still be desireable in raids and the like?
Do you use it for bosses? I had just gotten it and only saved it for bosses. Is this the norm? it says it could summon a Doomguard.
Does anyone use this? should I use this? Was I gambling with my party and got lucky it never happened?
My Curse of Doom gets knocked off all the time, so I've switched to Agony (unless I'm on Elements, Shadow, or Reck duty, that is.) It's just to much of a gamble right now.
Doom is awesome for soloing high-level elite elementals and demons. Drop Doom and do the 30-second banish. Then, use the 20-second banish. Monster comes up with a few seconds to spare... re-Doom as soon as it counts down and repeat the process.
edit: also, it seems like your first ever Curse of Doom kill spawns a Doomguard. After that, it's random.
Is there any way to make a macro or somethin that when I use the BE Mount it starts playing music?
Ok, warlock question, How usefull is a demonology spec in instances? Would I be better off going affliction?
Probably. If they can queue sounds on dodges for the warrior's overpower mod, I can't see it being out of the realm of possibility.
Are we talking about 5-10 man stuff, or 20-40 man raiding? Demonology is fine for most instances. MD is useful given different situations. If, however, you're all about maxing your dps output, I'd say an affliction build like SM/ruin is probably better, unless you have crazy good gear and need the threat reduction from MD. Chances are, however, unless you're pushing Naxx and need every ounce of DPS possible, a demo specc'd lock will hardly hamper any raid, so spec what you find more fun. PVP and grinding as MD/ruin (which a lot of raiding demo locks are) is atrocious, IMO.
See, I never really considered Destruction cause it looked like it was just immatation mage spec. Im probly way off, but I think i like demo and affliction more. As of now Im plannin on getting the fel guard so I was hoping I could do instances as a demo spec. Sounds like I could off tank, which is fine by me! But anyway, as a demo spec warlock, Ill still be desireable in raids and the like?
I've never seen a guild turn down a lock due to being demo specc'd or request a lock respecc off demo, unless again their pushing Patchwerk and need every last point of dps they can squeeze from the stone. Basically, I don't think your spec will make you significantly less or more desireable to groups.
Although destro is quite mage like, its not like you won't be spamming shadowbolts anyways, regardless of spec, while raiding.
edit: also, it seems like your first ever Curse of Doom kill spawns a Doomguard. After that, it's random.
It didn't for me ... it was about my 8th or so kill that finally spawned one. I should have enslaved it instead of killing it. But I freaked out.
also, basically if I go to the barrens and CoD stuff until a Doomguard comes, can I enslave it and then bring it over to the crossroads to let it wreak havok?
edit: also, it seems like your first ever Curse of Doom kill spawns a Doomguard. After that, it's random.
It didn't for me ... it was about my 8th or so kill that finally spawned one. I should have enslaved it instead of killing it. But I freaked out.
I haven't personally tested it, but a friend of mine told me that they changed it so they won't spawn if you already have a pet out, even though they aren't under your control to begin with. Can anyone confirm/deny? I know I used to be able to get them off boars outside org all the time, and suddenly, not so much.
edit: also, it seems like your first ever Curse of Doom kill spawns a Doomguard. After that, it's random.
It didn't for me ... it was about my 8th or so kill that finally spawned one. I should have enslaved it instead of killing it. But I freaked out.
I haven't personally tested it, but a friend of mine told me that they changed it so they won't spawn if you already have a pet out, even though they aren't under your control to begin with. Can anyone confirm/deny? I know I used to be able to get them off boars outside org all the time, and suddenly, not so much.
I can't say mine was a test, BUT, it did spawn when I had no pet out ... coincidence?
Do you use it for bosses? I had just gotten it and only saved it for bosses. Is this the norm? it says it could summon a Doomguard.
Does anyone use this? should I use this? Was I gambling with my party and got lucky it never happened?
I'm in a guild that recently beat the Twin Emps, and I'm one of the lock tanks for it. Curse of Doom is actually pretty nice there as a way to get snap aggro on the caster emp if you can time it right.
Other than that? Ehhhh. Not really much use for it besides farming high level elites IIRC.
Oh man I love playing with my warlock now
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
Oh man I love playing with my warlock now
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
Oh man I love playing with my warlock now
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
Oh man I love playing with my warlock now love
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
Oh man I love playing with my warlock now love
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
So you...don't use Shadowbolt?
well, so far I use shadowbolt, then send the voidwalker, then while the mob is running towards me immolate, corruption (which is down to 0.4 sec cast time atm) and curse of agony. Then, if the aggro is held by the voidwalker, I use shadowbolt, if not I use a wand because 3 seconds cast time are just awful
(edit: level 20 warlock)
I have a macro that casts shadowbolt (or immolation) and sends the pet to attack at the same time. It's pretty nice, usually your pet will get there right as the shadowbolt hits. Unless you have the imp out, in which case he's gotten 1 fireball off and working on his 2nd, but that doesn't matter cause your SB will pull the agro right off him.
EWom on
Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
I use this simple macro with my Warlock when solo'ing with my Void.
/script PetAttack();
/cast Curse of Agony
That's it. My attack order is pretty standard.
Macro (above), Corruption, Immolate, then wand it to death. Once in awhile throwing in the odd Shadowbolt if there is adds, to get the mobs down quicker.
Almost no downtime considering ~50% of the damage is done by my wand. I rarely have to stop to mana up unless I'm killing at an obscene rate.
Load enemy up on dots, use your pet for damage not to tank. (Succubus/Imp are good for this. I used imp over Succy at lower lvls because the the sta boost was nice, and succy wasn't that impressive yet).
Then stand there and get beat on. All the while casting Drain Life (which is great with the talent to improve it's interuption). And later, keeping your siphon life spell up on the creature too.
The goal there is to have your dots, and pet kill it, while you take the beating and keep yourself healed with your drains.
EWom on
Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
Don't read thottbot posts. That's worse than gamefaqs posts.
And are you talking about HellFire: The PBAE Pulse that hurts you and everything around you? It can be awesome if you have a healer to keep you up, and it also breaks everyone trying to cap an AB node.
Or SoulFire: The 4sec cast time huge nuke we get, that requires a soul shard? Its ok to see some big numbers, but I don't ever grind with it. I suppose it could be nice in certain raid situations too. However my guildy who's a conflag spec warlock loves it. He says if he can get it off an immoliate + soulfire + conflag = death to just about anyone. Problem is that 4 sec cast time hurts the ability to always pull it off.
SoulFire is cool, and lets you see those huge numbers if that's what you're after. But I don't think it's the end all be all of warlock weaponry.
EWom on
Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
so far, I use thottbot mostly for seeing what spells I get at what levels and if I'm stuck with a quest. Although I must say I'm a whore for high numbers, I think I'd rather have an effective character.
What site do you recommend for everyday information about the game?
Also, I read about hellfire too and that seemed really impressive, what with 170 damage per second (?) in an AoE.
I guess I'm gonna try some things out and see what suits me, although I'm always afraid there's a "totally wrong way" which makes my character suck beyond repair
You can use thottbot for information. It's just fine for that. just don't read any of the garbage the users post there.
Same as GameFaqs can be great for information, their message boards are horrific examples of why you shouldn't try coat hanger abortions.
And with a warlock there pretty much is no "wrong" way to spec. There are more effective ways to spec for certain things: IE: Pvp, grinding, raiding.
Go with what looks fun, if its not fun, try something else. You don't have to race to 60 with an affliction spec, but if you want to race to 60, that's the way to go.
EWom on
Whether they find a life there or not, I think Jupiter should be called an enemy planet.
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I've always thought that Warlocks were the "Caster killers" in WoW. Warlocks are former Mages who desired more power and delved too deeply in demonic arts to gain more control over magics. So it always made sense to me that they would be a counter to Mages/Priests and Druids to a degree. With strong DPS classes like Warriors, Rogues and Hunters being their counter.
I know that doesn't exactly hold true in most situations, but I always thought it was somewhat the case.
What server?
Also, I've found Orcs to be the best-looking lock race. Nothing beats huge shoulders.
Blood Elf all the way, if you can wait. Moreso than any other class combo with the Elves or any Draenei combination, I think warlocks fit that race the best.
I don't like them either. My female orc warlock rides a raptor. It looks cool and the enemy doesn't say "hey, warlock incoming" from five hundred yards away. Hooray for mount hax.
Do you use it for bosses? I had just gotten it and only saved it for bosses. Is this the norm? it says it could summon a Doomguard.
Does anyone use this? should I use this? Was I gambling with my party and got lucky it never happened?
It only has a chance to summon a doomguard if the actual damage from Curse of Doom kills the target. Which in raiding situations is very very rare. If a doomguard pops up in a raid from that, its more a novelty than a concern.
I personally don't use Curse of Doom much more as it doesn't scale well with gear and it gets knocked off all the time by serpent stings and the like (although admittedly I don't think I've tried it since they added debuff "priority"). However, with the new spell damage algorithms based on duration and a higher debuff slots to be implemented, it may become viable again. I do like using it on shadow vuln mobs and see how high it can get.
plus with your other dots and SB you can unless COD crits equal or surpass the damage.
and f my gay looking dreadstead, male orc FTL. I am getting a wolf.
If you want to play an alliance warlock, go gnome all the way. Pint-sized evil for the win. Otherwise go undead.
I loves my gnome warlock.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
It would be awesome if warlocks just got a fiery demon version of their racial mount. WTB wolf with flaming paws plz.
Mechanostrider... OF DOOOOOM!!!!
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
Is there any way to make a macro or somethin that when I use the BE Mount it starts playing music?
Ok, warlock question, How usefull is a demonology spec in instances? Would I be better off going affliction?
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
I've personally tanked Mauradon and Sunken Temple (I'm only lvl 55) and a guildy has tanked Strat Scholo and DM. The problem is finding a group to take a warlock over warrior/druid/paladin for a tank. So usually it's just offtanking.
And if you're really worried about just instance usefullness, then destruction is probably the best build for that.
Probably. If they can queue sounds on dodges for the warrior's overpower mod, I can't see it being out of the realm of possibility.
Are we talking about 5-10 man stuff, or 20-40 man raiding? Demonology is fine for most instances. MD is useful given different situations. If, however, you're all about maxing your dps output, I'd say an affliction build like SM/ruin is probably better, unless you have crazy good gear and need the threat reduction from MD. Chances are, however, unless you're pushing Naxx and need every ounce of DPS possible, a demo specc'd lock will hardly hamper any raid, so spec what you find more fun. PVP and grinding as MD/ruin (which a lot of raiding demo locks are) is atrocious, IMO.
See, I never really considered Destruction cause it looked like it was just immatation mage spec. Im probly way off, but I think i like demo and affliction more. As of now Im plannin on getting the fel guard so I was hoping I could do instances as a demo spec. Sounds like I could off tank, which is fine by me! But anyway, as a demo spec warlock, Ill still be desireable in raids and the like?
Jordan of Elienor, Human Shaman
My Curse of Doom gets knocked off all the time, so I've switched to Agony (unless I'm on Elements, Shadow, or Reck duty, that is.) It's just to much of a gamble right now.
Doom is awesome for soloing high-level elite elementals and demons. Drop Doom and do the 30-second banish. Then, use the 20-second banish. Monster comes up with a few seconds to spare... re-Doom as soon as it counts down and repeat the process.
edit: also, it seems like your first ever Curse of Doom kill spawns a Doomguard. After that, it's random.
I've never seen a guild turn down a lock due to being demo specc'd or request a lock respecc off demo, unless again their pushing Patchwerk and need every last point of dps they can squeeze from the stone. Basically, I don't think your spec will make you significantly less or more desireable to groups.
Although destro is quite mage like, its not like you won't be spamming shadowbolts anyways, regardless of spec, while raiding.
It didn't for me ... it was about my 8th or so kill that finally spawned one. I should have enslaved it instead of killing it. But I freaked out.
also, basically if I go to the barrens and CoD stuff until a Doomguard comes, can I enslave it and then bring it over to the crossroads to let it wreak havok?
I haven't personally tested it, but a friend of mine told me that they changed it so they won't spawn if you already have a pet out, even though they aren't under your control to begin with. Can anyone confirm/deny? I know I used to be able to get them off boars outside org all the time, and suddenly, not so much.
I can't say mine was a test, BUT, it did spawn when I had no pet out ... coincidence?
I'm going to test this theory this weekend.
I'm in a guild that recently beat the Twin Emps, and I'm one of the lock tanks for it. Curse of Doom is actually pretty nice there as a way to get snap aggro on the caster emp if you can time it right.
Other than that? Ehhhh. Not really much use for it besides farming high level elites IIRC.
Anyways, as shadowbolt is way to fucking slow, what way should I go instead? Wands? Points in destruction to reduce shadow bolt cast time? Will this be ok for later? I read soul fire is pretty good later..
(what does that mean exactly?
So you...don't use Shadowbolt?
(edit: level 20 warlock)
/script PetAttack();
/cast Curse of Agony
That's it. My attack order is pretty standard.
Macro (above), Corruption, Immolate, then wand it to death. Once in awhile throwing in the odd Shadowbolt if there is adds, to get the mobs down quicker.
Almost no downtime considering ~50% of the damage is done by my wand. I rarely have to stop to mana up unless I'm killing at an obscene rate.
edit: so, what does "draintank" mean? DoT I gett, using the DoT spells as much as possible
Then stand there and get beat on. All the while casting Drain Life (which is great with the talent to improve it's interuption). And later, keeping your siphon life spell up on the creature too.
The goal there is to have your dots, and pet kill it, while you take the beating and keep yourself healed with your drains.
Also, something completely different: What is this about soulfire being crazy awesome I read on thottbot?
And are you talking about HellFire: The PBAE Pulse that hurts you and everything around you? It can be awesome if you have a healer to keep you up, and it also breaks everyone trying to cap an AB node.
Or SoulFire: The 4sec cast time huge nuke we get, that requires a soul shard? Its ok to see some big numbers, but I don't ever grind with it. I suppose it could be nice in certain raid situations too. However my guildy who's a conflag spec warlock loves it. He says if he can get it off an immoliate + soulfire + conflag = death to just about anyone. Problem is that 4 sec cast time hurts the ability to always pull it off.
SoulFire is cool, and lets you see those huge numbers if that's what you're after. But I don't think it's the end all be all of warlock weaponry.
What site do you recommend for everyday information about the game?
Also, I read about hellfire too and that seemed really impressive, what with 170 damage per second (?) in an AoE.
I guess I'm gonna try some things out and see what suits me, although I'm always afraid there's a "totally wrong way" which makes my character suck beyond repair
Same as GameFaqs can be great for information, their message boards are horrific examples of why you shouldn't try coat hanger abortions.
And with a warlock there pretty much is no "wrong" way to spec. There are more effective ways to spec for certain things: IE: Pvp, grinding, raiding.
Go with what looks fun, if its not fun, try something else. You don't have to race to 60 with an affliction spec, but if you want to race to 60, that's the way to go.