Im not sure if this is the place for this, but I cant think of anywhere else it would go. Just ignore me if Im off base.
With all the uncertainty abuot S3 and the announcment that S3 wepons are only going to the elite teams. it has made me second guess my choice to just pick up the armor on my hunter. But I always feel as if my AP is sub par so forsaking gear upgrades for a shiny new bow erks me a lil.
Think it would be worth it to spend the next month saving for the Xbow or should I finish off my armor set?
That really totally depends on what you want to do.
The arena stuff, while good, (as others have said I'm sure) puts too much itemization toward resilience and stamina for it to be really good for PvE. Obviously a hunter in S2 gear is going to DPS perfectly fine, but they're going to be subpar to a hunter even in blues if they focus on the right stats for their build (hit and heavy Int, primarily is lacking from arena gear). But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Soo...if you're going to mainly PvE (and looking at your gear, that's unlikely), get the weapon; as you can find better armor for PvE far easier than weeks and weeks of arenas. If you're going to PvP mainly, finish your set, it'll benefit you far more in the long run, and it's a simple matter to get a bow or gun on par with the PvP one in even Kara.
Another option is to just amass your arena an honor points atm and wait for S3 to start and buy the previous seasons gear for cheaper, or for honor in the case of S1 stuff.
I'd amass gear first *shrug* Some of the pieces are really good (legs and chest) even for DPS purposes and the bows...well, the crossbow off attumen isn't too far off *shrug*
and once the broadband is installed in my new house i intend to tear up the 50s.
My question is this though, i was planning to stop at 59 for a while and earn me some pvp gear to boost the speed of leveling in outlands. Do you think this is a worthwhile idea and which pieces are "must gets" (getting a mount too)
But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Oh man... I'm still using Valanos' Longbow and I came in second for DPS on Gruul. I'm also typically first or second in Kara. I don't know whether it's because I know what I'm doing or because other people don't. But what I do know is that we haven't had a goddamn bow drop in Kara in the five weeks that I've been running it.
Makes me wanna shit my pants though when I'm out DPSing the other hunters using Sunfury and Steelhawk though.
But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Oh man... I'm still using Valanos' Longbow and I came in second for DPS on Gruul. I'm also typically first or second in Kara. I don't know whether it's because I know what I'm doing or because other people don't. But what I do know is that we haven't had a goddamn bow drop in Kara in the five weeks that I've been running it.
Makes me wanna shit my pants though when I'm out DPSing the other hunters using Sunfury and Steelhawk though.
I love my Wrathtide Longbow. Got it first run, and I was summoned to the boss because their other hunter dropped out. :P
But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Oh man... I'm still using Valanos' Longbow and I came in second for DPS on Gruul. I'm also typically first or second in Kara. I don't know whether it's because I know what I'm doing or because other people don't. But what I do know is that we haven't had a goddamn bow drop in Kara in the five weeks that I've been running it.
Makes me wanna shit my pants though when I'm out DPSing the other hunters using Sunfury and Steelhawk though.
I love my Wrathtide Longbow. Got it first run, and I was summoned to the boss because their other hunter dropped out. :P
I got the Sunfury on my first and only run through Kara. I was using Valanos prior because I got it for 30g in the AH and it pretty much beats any other non-purple, pre-raid bow. Notice the pathetically low RAP and Crit. But I still do my job better than most any hunter I've ever played with. I keep thinking if I could get decked out in gear I could be up there with well equipped rogues. But that might be pushing it. :P
Yeah, Kara will blow up your self-confidence balloon quite a bit.
Then you go into SSC/The Eye while not wearing at least full T4 or some T5, and it's burst faster than you can say Affliction 'lock spamming Shadowbolts, or dagger rogue.
I beat the other people in my Kara, but that's because they're way undergeared.
And because one is a Frost mage. :P
Frost mage in my former guild was #2 or 3 DPS in 25-man raids consistently.
This is a very predictable pattern.
"X class/spec is seen as not putting out the highest potential DPS/threat/healing, generally."
"Actually, this one guy, in this one guild I'm in, is super-amazing-1337."
I was making reference to the attitude that I've noticed: that Frost mages can't compete with the raw DPS potential of a full Fire mage. Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to the mages I've instanced or raided with to tell the difference; we once had both a Fire and Frost mage in our Kara, and the Frost mage [whom I think was the undergeared of the two] was the slightest bit behind in overall damage done, for the duration of the raid.
tl;dr: Because I go by what people tell me like a Lemming, it's my understanding that Fire mages do more overall damage in a raid setting than Frost mages.
I beat the other people in my Kara, but that's because they're way undergeared.
And because one is a Frost mage. :P
Frost mage in my former guild was #2 or 3 DPS in 25-man raids consistently.
This is a very predictable pattern.
"X class/spec is seen as not putting out the highest potential DPS/threat/healing, generally."
"Actually, this one guy, in this one guild I'm in, is super-amazing-1337."
I was making reference to the attitude that I've noticed: that Frost mages can't compete with the raw DPS potential of a full Fire mage. Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to the mages I've instanced or raided with to tell the difference; we once had both a Fire and Frost mage in our Kara, and the Frost mage [whom I think was the undergeared of the two] was the slightest bit behind in overall damage done, for the duration of the raid.
tl;dr: Because I go by what people tell me like a Lemming, it's my understanding that Fire mages do more overall damage in a raid setting than Frost mages.
Well, I think the mages would know more about who does the most mage DPS. However, if you notice that most high end guilds will only bring along one hunter to buff melee, and the damage spreadsheet's do not support hunter's doing that much damage, then it's not that surprising.
So I finally got my Sunfury, and sprung for a 400g premade Stabilized Eternium Scope [I usually buy the mats and have it made]. Haven't had a chance yet to try it out in an instance, though -- just running someone through VC.
Got my engy goggles finally, after having all the mats waiting on a nether for nearly 3 months. Got a new crossbow and the season 2 PvP (honor) belt in the same night, so I am pretty happy. But what makes me happiest of all is that I'm less than 300 arena points away from the Merclless Crossbow of the Phoenix, or whatever it's called. Oh man oh man oh man oh man oh man!
Im not sure if this is the place for this, but I cant think of anywhere else it would go. Just ignore me if Im off base.
With all the uncertainty abuot S3 and the announcment that S3 wepons are only going to the elite teams. it has made me second guess my choice to just pick up the armor on my hunter. But I always feel as if my AP is sub par so forsaking gear upgrades for a shiny new bow erks me a lil.
Think it would be worth it to spend the next month saving for the Xbow or should I finish off my armor set?
That really totally depends on what you want to do.
The arena stuff, while good, (as others have said I'm sure) puts too much itemization toward resilience and stamina for it to be really good for PvE. Obviously a hunter in S2 gear is going to DPS perfectly fine, but they're going to be subpar to a hunter even in blues if they focus on the right stats for their build (hit and heavy Int, primarily is lacking from arena gear). But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Soo...if you're going to mainly PvE (and looking at your gear, that's unlikely), get the weapon; as you can find better armor for PvE far easier than weeks and weeks of arenas. If you're going to PvP mainly, finish your set, it'll benefit you far more in the long run, and it's a simple matter to get a bow or gun on par with the PvP one in even Kara.
Another option is to just amass your arena an honor points atm and wait for S3 to start and buy the previous seasons gear for cheaper, or for honor in the case of S1 stuff.
My rogue (Delissi) is my pve toon so I dont need to worry about pve gearing my hunter. As far as getting easier/better range weapons elsewhere, the only real upgrade the the bow off prince and after killing him every week for 4+ months and never seeing it, I don't believe it exists.
Thanks for the input, in the end I've decided im gona save up for the Xbow and see if its still worth getting the chest or waiting for the next season after that.
Someone brought up socketing for straight agility, and I'm trying to do the math to see whether or not it would be a better option. Really, the crux of his argument seems to be better scaling with Kings. Assuming +6 agi gems [very cheap] in all 8 of my normal sockets, and a +12 agi gem in my meta-gem socket, I'd have 1.50% to crit, and 60 AP from gems alone; I'd be losing .39% to crit, and be gaining 4 AP.
Of course, to get that +12 agi meta, I'd have to have 2 red, 2 yellow, and 2 blues gems, and that would involve delving into multicolored gems that stick with agi and some other random stat, and that gets messy. Also, in fairness, I do have a +16 and +20 AP gem, as well as a +8 and +10 crit rating gem, so I'm at a higher tier of gems right now than straight +6 agi.
I beat the other people in my Kara, but that's because they're way undergeared.
And because one is a Frost mage. :P
Frost mage in my former guild was #2 or 3 DPS in 25-man raids consistently.
This is a very predictable pattern.
"X class/spec is seen as not putting out the highest potential DPS/threat/healing, generally."
"Actually, this one guy, in this one guild I'm in, is super-amazing-1337."
I was making reference to the attitude that I've noticed: that Frost mages can't compete with the raw DPS potential of a full Fire mage. Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to the mages I've instanced or raided with to tell the difference; we once had both a Fire and Frost mage in our Kara, and the Frost mage [whom I think was the undergeared of the two] was the slightest bit behind in overall damage done, for the duration of the raid.
tl;dr: Because I go by what people tell me like a Lemming, it's my understanding that Fire mages do more overall damage in a raid setting than Frost mages.
i totulee no dis 1 holy preest who rox teh meterz lawl
Really I think player skill/dedication is way more important than spec or class. Anyone who takes the time to pick a spec, gear it accordingly, pot correctly, beat lag, and use the best rotation will probably beat the average WoW raider on a damage meter. I really DID pull top or second spot DPS with a holy priest for a week before TBC just to prove a point. Our rogues and mages were being lazy, even the ones with more gear and better knowledge of the game than I.
edit: So you may be correct about fire/frost specs, all things being equal. However things are usually so unequal based on other factors that I doubt spec truly makes the difference in raids very often.
Someone brought up socketing for straight agility, and I'm trying to do the math to see whether or not it would be a better option. Really, the crux of his argument seems to be better scaling with Kings. Assuming +6 agi gems [very cheap] in all 8 of my normal sockets, and a +12 agi gem in my meta-gem socket, I'd have 1.50% to crit, and 60 AP from gems alone; I'd be losing .39% to crit, and be gaining 4 AP.
Of course, to get that +12 agi meta, I'd have to have 2 red, 2 yellow, and 2 blues gems, and that would involve delving into multicolored gems that stick with agi and some other random stat, and that gets messy. Also, in fairness, I do have a +16 and +20 AP gem, as well as a +8 and +10 crit rating gem, so I'm at a higher tier of gems right now than straight +6 agi.
I go with all Agi or agi+stam gems what I can. In the long run I think they just pay off more in pvp & pve. I believe alot of the "big name" hunters are big advocates of stacking agi, too. Once you hit a certain number of agi, you spec survival for the +15% more, and bam. Uberhunter.
T5 shoulders
Maulgar's Warhelm
Choker of Animalistic Fury
Pattern: Boots of the Crimson Hawk
Almost had T4 pants, too, but they eluded my grasp. Anyway, one of the fringe benefits of running with an established raid of SSC/The Eye geared folks.
Someone brought up socketing for straight agility, and I'm trying to do the math to see whether or not it would be a better option. Really, the crux of his argument seems to be better scaling with Kings. Assuming +6 agi gems [very cheap] in all 8 of my normal sockets, and a +12 agi gem in my meta-gem socket, I'd have 1.50% to crit, and 60 AP from gems alone; I'd be losing .39% to crit, and be gaining 4 AP.
Of course, to get that +12 agi meta, I'd have to have 2 red, 2 yellow, and 2 blues gems, and that would involve delving into multicolored gems that stick with agi and some other random stat, and that gets messy. Also, in fairness, I do have a +16 and +20 AP gem, as well as a +8 and +10 crit rating gem, so I'm at a higher tier of gems right now than straight +6 agi.
Well, 8 sockets isn't much, so it's not going to be as noticable, especially since it's nice to have more sockets to mix and match for the +12 agi gem.
The 12-agi meta gem is actually a loss in agi, unless you're putting that gem there so you can achieve a +4 agi socket bonus (This is all with +8 agi gems, not 10 or 12). However either way it's only a loss of about 4 agility, which is very miniscule in the end.
I bought a Don Santos' recently and so far am liking it's speed + proc. With the proc, raid buffs, and trinket for short bursts I could hit 2200 RAP which is nice since my base is like 1500 something er other.
So I respecced BM. I've been MM since level 10, and I'm liking it. It's certainly more forgiving of lag and inebriation (frequent issues with me), and I'd say in my crafted/pvp/some raid epics gear I'm putting out 600 or so dps including my pet. It's not uber hunter, but it isn't bad. I still want to buy better tanks though! FD should not be part of my shot rotation damnit.
I do wish there was more scaling when it comes to growl. It very quckly becomes.. well, useless.
BM is going to be much more effective at the early raid levels. (Especially when first entering Kara, Since Attumen is usually downed with everyone stacking in melee range at the end of the fight. And if you're kiting adds on Moroes. And on Maiden because of The Beast Within).
Lurker is such a nice fight for mana conservation. I've fought him before, but I'd just like to state that.
Question on Trinkets: I'm using Core of Ar'kelos and Abacus of Violent Odds right now, saving up badges for a Bloodlust Brooch, which I'm thinking I'll use to replace the Core. Are there any other trinkets that are Heroic/Kara level that I should be considering? I have some other trinkets that increase AP (Bladefist, Uniting) that I have set up on switch for when the main ones are on cooldown.
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I raised the wall. And I will be the one to knock it down.
I'm using Hourglass + Bloodlust right now. Really, Hourglass is very underrated as a blue trinket -- it's pretty damn amazing. I wouldn't consider upgrading until at least Tsunami Talisman.
I haven't seen an Hourglass drop yet, but I'm more concerned with RAP than crit, generally. Still, I do worry that the use on the Abacus is a little lackluster.
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I raised the wall. And I will be the one to knock it down.
It's sad, but I finished calculating, and found that, if I had the SSC drops I wanted [read: the Hydross chest, T5 gloves, helm and pants], I'd have 2440 RAP and 25.6% ranged crit. That makes me a sad panda, sitting at 2272 RAP and 24.77% with no consistent SSC raid on the horizon because of my inconsistent work schedule.
Anyinfo on season 3 weapons yet, because if its anything like S2 then the crossbow will be godly. And any word on the suposed legendary bow from Zul'Amend 25 man?
So, today I bought the Merc glad chest, and got the 15 agi enchant thrown onto my gloves (Dear 40g Primal airs, Fuck off, I have guildies to buy from!)
SSC didn't happen (Our server was buggy and a few key members kept crashing), so I did some Heroic SH to get my long overdue book from the first boss for Nightbane Summoning. And well.
This was with GoA, Leader of the Pack, and Blessing of Kings (Also, Survival spec so agility whoring). That was a fun, fun, run.
(Quick Shots is active, which is why the speed is so low)
Speaking of crit... I took the T5 lookalike shoulders off Morogrim tonight, because they were getting sharded and were almost a full 1% crit upgrade for me. But I can't afford to lose the hit or minor AP on my actual T5, so I don't know exactly what situation I'd use them in. Maybe shifting some gems around to make up for that loss in hit.
Speaking of crit... I took the T5 lookalike shoulders off Morogrim tonight, because they were getting sharded and were almost a full 1% crit upgrade for me. But I can't afford to lose the hit or minor AP on my actual T5, so I don't know exactly what situation I'd use them in. Maybe shifting some gems around to make up for that loss in hit.
How big is the AP Loss?
I'm lucky, I'm a troll with a bow, and with my talents I only need about 41 (44?) hit.
Speaking of crit... I took the T5 lookalike shoulders off Morogrim tonight, because they were getting sharded and were almost a full 1% crit upgrade for me. But I can't afford to lose the hit or minor AP on my actual T5, so I don't know exactly what situation I'd use them in. Maybe shifting some gems around to make up for that loss in hit.
How big is the AP Loss?
I'm lucky, I'm a troll with a bow, and with my talents I only need about 41 (44?) hit.
I wanna say... 20ish AP? It's really the hit I'm more concerned with -- I refuse to go below 89.
•Wyvern Sting is now instant cast and has a maximum duration of 10 seconds in PvP (UPDATED)
•Arcane Shot (Rank 6+) will now dispel 1 Magic effect in addition to damage
•Trueshot Aura no longer costs mana to cast, and will last until cancelled (UPDATED)
•Serpent Sting, Immolation Trap, and Explosive Trap gain additional damage based on 10% of your Ranged Attack Power (UPDATED)
So i guess these are the new hunter changes to help us in the arena next patch?
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That really totally depends on what you want to do.
The arena stuff, while good, (as others have said I'm sure) puts too much itemization toward resilience and stamina for it to be really good for PvE. Obviously a hunter in S2 gear is going to DPS perfectly fine, but they're going to be subpar to a hunter even in blues if they focus on the right stats for their build (hit and heavy Int, primarily is lacking from arena gear). But "subpar" can be relative. I had a hunter do Gruul and Kara in full greens and 2 blues out DPS hunters with 75%+ purples; because I know what i'm doing.
Soo...if you're going to mainly PvE (and looking at your gear, that's unlikely), get the weapon; as you can find better armor for PvE far easier than weeks and weeks of arenas. If you're going to PvP mainly, finish your set, it'll benefit you far more in the long run, and it's a simple matter to get a bow or gun on par with the PvP one in even Kara.
Another option is to just amass your arena an honor points atm and wait for S3 to start and buy the previous seasons gear for cheaper, or for honor in the case of S1 stuff.
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and once the broadband is installed in my new house i intend to tear up the 50s.
My question is this though, i was planning to stop at 59 for a while and earn me some pvp gear to boost the speed of leveling in outlands. Do you think this is a worthwhile idea and which pieces are "must gets" (getting a mount too)
just fly to 70. really, save yourself the effort, there isn't a solider leveling class than a hunter really.
just IMO. I found the 60-70 grind to be very very easy and fun.
Oh man... I'm still using Valanos' Longbow and I came in second for DPS on Gruul. I'm also typically first or second in Kara. I don't know whether it's because I know what I'm doing or because other people don't. But what I do know is that we haven't had a goddamn bow drop in Kara in the five weeks that I've been running it.
Makes me wanna shit my pants though when I'm out DPSing the other hunters using Sunfury and Steelhawk though.
And because one is a Frost mage. :P
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I got the Sunfury on my first and only run through Kara.
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Then you go into SSC/The Eye while not wearing at least full T4 or some T5, and it's burst faster than you can say Affliction 'lock spamming Shadowbolts, or dagger rogue.
true
Frost mage in my former guild was #2 or 3 DPS in 25-man raids consistently.
This is a very predictable pattern.
"X class/spec is seen as not putting out the highest potential DPS/threat/healing, generally."
"Actually, this one guy, in this one guild I'm in, is super-amazing-1337."
I was making reference to the attitude that I've noticed: that Frost mages can't compete with the raw DPS potential of a full Fire mage. Honestly, I haven't paid enough attention to the mages I've instanced or raided with to tell the difference; we once had both a Fire and Frost mage in our Kara, and the Frost mage [whom I think was the undergeared of the two] was the slightest bit behind in overall damage done, for the duration of the raid.
tl;dr: Because I go by what people tell me like a Lemming, it's my understanding that Fire mages do more overall damage in a raid setting than Frost mages.
Well, I think the mages would know more about who does the most mage DPS. However, if you notice that most high end guilds will only bring along one hunter to buff melee, and the damage spreadsheet's do not support hunter's doing that much damage, then it's not that surprising.
My rogue (Delissi) is my pve toon so I dont need to worry about pve gearing my hunter. As far as getting easier/better range weapons elsewhere, the only real upgrade the the bow off prince and after killing him every week for 4+ months and never seeing it, I don't believe it exists.
Thanks for the input, in the end I've decided im gona save up for the Xbow and see if its still worth getting the chest or waiting for the next season after that.
- Delissi
Hunter 2h or MH/OH = 3800 + Range weapon 3800
Everyone else 2h or MH/OH = 3800 + Range slot 1000
-.-
Just isnt right.
- Delissi
Of course, to get that +12 agi meta, I'd have to have 2 red, 2 yellow, and 2 blues gems, and that would involve delving into multicolored gems that stick with agi and some other random stat, and that gets messy. Also, in fairness, I do have a +16 and +20 AP gem, as well as a +8 and +10 crit rating gem, so I'm at a higher tier of gems right now than straight +6 agi.
i totulee no dis 1 holy preest who rox teh meterz lawl
Really I think player skill/dedication is way more important than spec or class. Anyone who takes the time to pick a spec, gear it accordingly, pot correctly, beat lag, and use the best rotation will probably beat the average WoW raider on a damage meter. I really DID pull top or second spot DPS with a holy priest for a week before TBC just to prove a point. Our rogues and mages were being lazy, even the ones with more gear and better knowledge of the game than I.
edit: So you may be correct about fire/frost specs, all things being equal. However things are usually so unequal based on other factors that I doubt spec truly makes the difference in raids very often.
I go with all Agi or agi+stam gems what I can. In the long run I think they just pay off more in pvp & pve. I believe alot of the "big name" hunters are big advocates of stacking agi, too. Once you hit a certain number of agi, you spec survival for the +15% more, and bam. Uberhunter.
T5 shoulders
Maulgar's Warhelm
Choker of Animalistic Fury
Pattern: Boots of the Crimson Hawk
Almost had T4 pants, too, but they eluded my grasp. Anyway, one of the fringe benefits of running with an established raid of SSC/The Eye geared folks.
Well, 8 sockets isn't much, so it's not going to be as noticable, especially since it's nice to have more sockets to mix and match for the +12 agi gem.
The 12-agi meta gem is actually a loss in agi, unless you're putting that gem there so you can achieve a +4 agi socket bonus (This is all with +8 agi gems, not 10 or 12). However either way it's only a loss of about 4 agility, which is very miniscule in the end.
BM is going to be much more effective at the early raid levels. (Especially when first entering Kara, Since Attumen is usually downed with everyone stacking in melee range at the end of the fight. And if you're kiting adds on Moroes. And on Maiden because of The Beast Within).
Lurker is such a nice fight for mana conservation. I've fought him before, but I'd just like to state that.
SSC didn't happen (Our server was buggy and a few key members kept crashing), so I did some Heroic SH to get my long overdue book from the first boss for Nightbane Summoning. And well.
This was with GoA, Leader of the Pack, and Blessing of Kings (Also, Survival spec so agility whoring). That was a fun, fun, run.
(Quick Shots is active, which is why the speed is so low)
Speaking of crit... I took the T5 lookalike shoulders off Morogrim tonight, because they were getting sharded and were almost a full 1% crit upgrade for me. But I can't afford to lose the hit or minor AP on my actual T5, so I don't know exactly what situation I'd use them in. Maybe shifting some gems around to make up for that loss in hit.
How big is the AP Loss?
I'm lucky, I'm a troll with a bow, and with my talents I only need about 41 (44?) hit.
I wanna say... 20ish AP? It's really the hit I'm more concerned with -- I refuse to go below 89.
Hunters
•Wyvern Sting is now instant cast and has a maximum duration of 10 seconds in PvP (UPDATED)
•Arcane Shot (Rank 6+) will now dispel 1 Magic effect in addition to damage
•Trueshot Aura no longer costs mana to cast, and will last until cancelled (UPDATED)
•Serpent Sting, Immolation Trap, and Explosive Trap gain additional damage based on 10% of your Ranged Attack Power (UPDATED)
So i guess these are the new hunter changes to help us in the arena next patch?