I want to make a really, really bad game. 1 hit kills, AI that uses aiming hacks, cheap spawn points, derivative techno soundtrack, 50 character password save, ect. The works. Then when people call my game bad, I'll say "It's satire". Then my bad game will instantly become the best game ever.
Claiming something to be satirical is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for shitty games.
This is how I feel about everything Paul Verhoevon has ever touched.
Okay, first of all, Starship Trooopers is a fantastic movie if you don't take it seriously, because come on the novel is all masturbating about "facism is awesome".
Secondly, Robocop, your lord and savior, is the title character in one of the best black comedies of ALL TIME.
I want to make a really, really bad game. 1 hit kills, AI that uses aiming hacks, cheap spawn points, derivative techno soundtrack, 50 character password save, ect. The works. Then when people call my game bad, I'll say "It's satire". Then my bad game will instantly become the best game ever.
Claiming something to be satirical is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for shitty games.
This is how I feel about everything Paul Verhoevon has ever touched.
Okay, first of all, Starship Trooopers is a fantastic movie if you don't take it seriously, because come on the novel is all masturbating about "facism is awesome".
Secondly, Robocop, your lord and savior, is the title character in one of the best black comedies of ALL TIME.
I am not a huge fan of Starship Troopers
But I will defend Robocop 'till the day I die
Every single minute of that movie is solid gold
I like the knife scene the best.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
I want to make a really, really bad game. 1 hit kills, AI that uses aiming hacks, cheap spawn points, derivative techno soundtrack, 50 character password save, ect. The works. Then when people call my game bad, I'll say "It's satire". Then my bad game will instantly become the best game ever.
Claiming something to be satirical is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for shitty games.
This is how I feel about everything Paul Verhoevon has ever touched.
Okay, first of all, Starship Trooopers is a fantastic movie if you don't take it seriously, because come on the novel is all masturbating about "facism is awesome".
Secondly, Robocop, your lord and savior, is the title character in one of the best black comedies of ALL TIME.
I am not a huge fan of Starship Troopers
But I will defend Robocop 'till the day I die
Every single minute of that movie is solid gold
I like the knife scene the best.
No, the best part is when he punches the deputy mayor through the window
Seriously. What the hell? Playing the first 9 minutes of a game is supposed to at least give you some indication as to what the game's storyline is about. All I saw were what seemed like marines in the future drunk off their asses heading into battle.
In agreeance with everyone else that's mentioned this: This had to have been made like this on purpose. Seems like somebody pissed off Free Radical enough for them to throw away a whole project.
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Good part for me was going back to watch the movie and noticing that the main villain was "Red" from That 70's show.
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Okay, first of all, Starship Trooopers is a vapid, awful action movie with bad characters and stupid attempts at satire, because come on the novel is all masturbating about "nuclear-powered exosuits that kick alien ass are pretty damn awesome".
See, the Starship Troopers book made a pretty fine attempt at an orbital-launching, space-based military reliant on high-powered exoarmor. The movie was just stupid the whole way through; not in a "it's supposed to be stupid, it's satire" kind of way, just the plain stupid way. Why the hell would anyone send troops down to the planet if they can just carpet bomb the bugs or, even better, smash the planet with kinetic weapons? The whole movie was just stupid, stupid, stupid. And the fact that the exosuits were completely left out was a worse decision than all the bad decisions in that movie put together.
But regarding Haze, I pretty much figured that it was gonna bomb. Like so many people have already said, it just look so generic. Now, if it did that stuff people are suggesting about shooting up turning innocent people into monsters from your view, that would be some real genius right there. Coop could have some serious WTF! moments when one guy shoots up while defending some civilians and the other guy doesn't. The juiced guy could end up mowing down a bunch of monsters that are actually civilians while the normal guy just wonders what the hell the crazy guy is seeing. Messed up, but I would play that in second.
Man, ham fisted philosophy, dialogue catering the frat crowd, and some of the best voice acting I've heard this side of the old No More Heroes trailer. Sooooo good.
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
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The only good thing to come from the entire Starship Troopers universe was
Seriously, that show took the best aspects of the book and expanded upon it in all the right ways, unlike the movie. Interestingly, they changed the character Dizzy to a female character, whereas Dizzy is a male in the book.
I can't watch starship troopers anymore, I used to enjoy it but nowdays I just sit there yelling "WHY DON'T YOU HAVE ANY FUCKING TANKS, OR APCs OR FUCKING HELICOPTER GUNSHIPS? OR ARTILLERY, OR ANY USE OF TACTICS...WHAT THE FUCK FUTURE, YOU SUCK AT WARFARE!"
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Olivawgood name, isn't it?the foot of mt fujiRegistered Userregular
Seriously, that show took the best aspects of the book and expanded upon it in all the right ways, unlike the movie. Interestingly, they changed the character Dizzy to a female character, whereas Dizzy is a male in the book.
Yeah, reading about the changes they made is weird, because I kind of don't know why they made them, but it's hard for me to see it any other way now. I recently got the box set for forty bucks, it has aged surprisingly well for a CGI animated show from eight years ago
SO ANYWAY how about that Haze, huh? Sure is disappointing
Okay, first of all, Starship Trooopers is a vapid, awful action movie with bad characters and stupid attempts at satire, because come on the novel is all masturbating about "nuclear-powered exosuits that kick alien ass are pretty damn awesome".
See, the Starship Troopers book made a pretty fine attempt at an orbital-launching, space-based military reliant on high-powered exoarmor. The movie was just stupid the whole way through; not in a "it's supposed to be stupid, it's satire" kind of way, just the plain stupid way. Why the hell would anyone send troops down to the planet if they can just carpet bomb the bugs or, even better, smash the planet with kinetic weapons? The whole movie was just stupid, stupid, stupid. And the fact that the exosuits were completely left out was a worse decision than all the bad decisions in that movie put together.
But regarding Haze, I pretty much figured that it was gonna bomb. Like so many people have already said, it just look so generic. Now, if it did that stuff people are suggesting about shooting up turning innocent people into monsters from your view, that would be some real genius right there. Coop could have some serious WTF! moments when one guy shoots up while defending some civilians and the other guy doesn't. The juiced guy could end up mowing down a bunch of monsters that are actually civilians while the normal guy just wonders what the hell the crazy guy is seeing. Messed up, but I would play that in second.
I'd think the way you'd do it is that you'd have 'reality' and 'fantasy' versions of the items and views in the scenes and what you saw would be influenced by how much of the drug you'd taken. The enemies would be dangerous enough to demand you took the drug to have a chance, but you'd never be truly sure whether you were actually doing what you thought you were doing.
The co-op suggestions are great though, however I'd throw in vocal distortions and stuff in the voice chat to create confusion. So, for example, the game might record some chatter from your buddy from earlier in the level when he was fighting and supporting you and then later on while he was hiding in cover letting the civs go by you'd be high on HAZE and hear him going "Watch out, I'm right behind you!" when in fact you had just burst out of cover to slaughter a busload of refugees. You might even see him fighting next to you, just always missing the real targets.
As soon as I saw Ko(R)n was promoting this game for some reason, I gave up all hope.
Actually, no. When I was working at GameStop I saw a gameplay video. It looked bland and uninspired, seemingly trying to ride the Halo coattails. It was just, extremely average looking.
IGN tends to overrate games rather than underrate them. For example, Jade Empire got a 9.9.
Agreed. God Hand only getting a 3? Should've got a 1... Now excuse me while I hide from LewieP...
Anyway, I played the demo and I don't really understand how it got a 4.5 on the 'IGN scale'. It was more fun than the Turok demo and that managed to get a 7 from IGN. I never planned on buying it but I feel pretty sorry for Free Radical.
Scarab: What games don't get hyped at GAF? There have been plenty of Wii and 360 games they've overhyped that turned out to be pretty crap.
The story reason is that the mantel soldiers have some kind of HUD which removes corpses from their vision to help them perform better.
The resistance guys use this to their advantage by playing dead, and so being removed from the mantel troops vision.
However, if a guy stood next to you plays dead, and is removed from your vision, if you unload a clip into where he was, and still is, he won't take any damage. The reason from that is "balance".
Edit: I don't think it is a system resources thing, since I assume corpses stay around for the resistance guys.
Uh, if you have been conditioned to ignore corpses, you wouldn't unload a clip where they were, that would break the conditioning, or rather, the conditioning would not have been enforced correctly.
So that actually makes sense from a story point, since if you do something like that, you are breaking through the character and breaking the narrative....it does, however, mean that they didn't think it through properly, since they should have instead made it so your guy wont pull the trigger when he's over them, so the interactor can't break the fourth wall. He can only bump gently against it, going darn.
On the other hand, this has the idea of explosives, but then again, you could conceivably get around conditioning by making yourself fire at the wall with the wall being your "target" and killing the guy that way.
Also I had no idea they were using an interesting concept like that, so I might play the game anyway even though their execution isn't well thought through. I just did a whole fucking lab report on instrumental conditioning, which is what this concept is, and then the next day I hear about this? Hah, I might have to rent it just for a look.
edit: hah i just read through the thread properly....definitely rental I guess. pity
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The problem with God Hand is that people who call it shitty never played it long enough to grasp the glory it holds with in.
not saying it's shitty
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Godhand's humor is for that kind of "jock" gamer who gets through a difficult fight through a combination of adrenaline, frustration, previous experience all clicking and wants to get up and punch the ceiling. When you are in that state, it's farkin funny.
If you don't get into that state for whatever reason, because the game was easy or you don't get exciteable easily from computer games or whatever, you probably wouldn't like it as much.
I didn't really like the gorilla. But I liked how B movie Gene was.
My favourite line in the whole game is "Finally, a boss fight." Meta humour lawlz.
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And the bad Haze reviews keep rolling in. So far on Gamerankings.com, of the 11 reviews it has, none are higher than a 70% and 4 are under 50%.
I'm still waiting for a review to explain to me precisely what the game is supposed to be satirzing. Because you can't have "satire" without a direct object of satirization. Stephen Colbert satirizes the persona of blow-hard neoconservative front man Bill O'Reilly on Comedy Central--and everyone knows it because there's a clearly identifiable object of satire. The propaganda parts of Starship Troopers parodies the newsreels of the 1940s during WW2. Dr. Strangelove is a satire of the sort of established political and military leaders who were born in a time when the airplane and cars were relatively new technologies but who suddenly find themselves in control of nuclear arsenals capable of ending all life on the planet. Through the flawed simplicity of many of its characters, it explores humanity's complete inability to come to terms with the full consequences of a nuclear holocaust in the age of Leave It To Beaver.
I didn't feel like I was watching Dr. Strangelove when I watched that long clip showing the intro and the gameplay. I felt like I was watching Dude Where's My Car.
That's really all I need to get closure on this piece so I don't have to keep coming back to this thread. Every positive defense of the game says "but it's satire" without explaining how and of what, and I'd like to know what the point behind making this monstrosity was.
Did you play it sheep? Those sentences are pretty much right fucking spot on with my expirences with the game.
Yeah. I played it. Not extensively, but I didn't really care for it. I just find those two sentences to be pretty vague and not very helpful if you're trying to convince someone that a game is "great". I didn't like the controls at all and it didn't really get better as I progressed.
As far as "X game is great because the enemies get harder as it goes along and makes you get better!"
Seems to be a general prerequisite for any good game. Doesn't necessarily make any game great. I dunno. I just figured that if someone loves GodHand (as so many do), I expected more specific reasons beyond "Try to get past the bad controls" and "it gets tougher as you go along".
Again, I'm not a fan of GodHand. Just an observation.
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
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You know, I haven't seen a Haze banner ad for a while on the front page.
Did you play it sheep? Those sentences are pretty much right fucking spot on with my expirences with the game.
Yeah. I played it. Not extensively, but I didn't really care for it. I just find those two sentences to be pretty vague and not very helpful if you're trying to convince someone that a game is "great". I didn't like the controls at all and it didn't really get better as I progressed.
As far as "X game is great because the enemies get harder as it goes along and makes you get better!"
Seems to be a general prerequisite for any good game. Doesn't necessarily make any game great. I dunno. I just figured that if someone loves GodHand (as so many do), I expected more specific reasons beyond "Try to get past the bad controls" and "it gets tougher as you go along".
Again, I'm not a fan of GodHand. Just an observation.
It doesn't get tougher as you go alone. Thats a misinterpretation of what he said. It gets tougher as you get better. The further alone you get without getting hit makes the enemies try to hit you harder.
Cant blame them. Worked for Assassin's Creed. Look at the reviews that got then keep reminding yourself that it sold 4 million copies +
Hmm...I would liken the AC hypetrain to the Fable hypetrain(only personal difference for me is I actually managed to finish Fable...it was only 10 hours though...so...>_>).
It doesn't get tougher as you go alone. Thats a misinterpretation of what he said. It gets tougher as you get better. The further alone you get without getting hit makes the enemies try to hit you harder.
Frisky Dingo was actually the first thing that popped in my head when I heard "BOOSH!"
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It doesn't get tougher as you go alone. Thats a misinterpretation of what he said. It gets tougher as you get better. The further alone you get without getting hit makes the enemies try to hit you harder.
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Putting it on the wikipedia article now.
I am not a huge fan of Starship Troopers
But I will defend Robocop 'till the day I die
Every single minute of that movie is solid gold
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I never asked for this!
No, the best part is when he punches the deputy mayor through the window
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Me: The fuck was that!?
Seriously. What the hell? Playing the first 9 minutes of a game is supposed to at least give you some indication as to what the game's storyline is about. All I saw were what seemed like marines in the future drunk off their asses heading into battle.
In agreeance with everyone else that's mentioned this: This had to have been made like this on purpose. Seems like somebody pissed off Free Radical enough for them to throw away a whole project.
See, the Starship Troopers book made a pretty fine attempt at an orbital-launching, space-based military reliant on high-powered exoarmor. The movie was just stupid the whole way through; not in a "it's supposed to be stupid, it's satire" kind of way, just the plain stupid way. Why the hell would anyone send troops down to the planet if they can just carpet bomb the bugs or, even better, smash the planet with kinetic weapons? The whole movie was just stupid, stupid, stupid. And the fact that the exosuits were completely left out was a worse decision than all the bad decisions in that movie put together.
But regarding Haze, I pretty much figured that it was gonna bomb. Like so many people have already said, it just look so generic. Now, if it did that stuff people are suggesting about shooting up turning innocent people into monsters from your view, that would be some real genius right there. Coop could have some serious WTF! moments when one guy shoots up while defending some civilians and the other guy doesn't. The juiced guy could end up mowing down a bunch of monsters that are actually civilians while the normal guy just wonders what the hell the crazy guy is seeing. Messed up, but I would play that in second.
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I was just about to say that :^:
Seriously, that show took the best aspects of the book and expanded upon it in all the right ways, unlike the movie. Interestingly, they changed the character Dizzy to a female character, whereas Dizzy is a male in the book.
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Yeah, reading about the changes they made is weird, because I kind of don't know why they made them, but it's hard for me to see it any other way now. I recently got the box set for forty bucks, it has aged surprisingly well for a CGI animated show from eight years ago
SO ANYWAY how about that Haze, huh? Sure is disappointing
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I'd think the way you'd do it is that you'd have 'reality' and 'fantasy' versions of the items and views in the scenes and what you saw would be influenced by how much of the drug you'd taken. The enemies would be dangerous enough to demand you took the drug to have a chance, but you'd never be truly sure whether you were actually doing what you thought you were doing.
The co-op suggestions are great though, however I'd throw in vocal distortions and stuff in the voice chat to create confusion. So, for example, the game might record some chatter from your buddy from earlier in the level when he was fighting and supporting you and then later on while he was hiding in cover letting the civs go by you'd be high on HAZE and hear him going "Watch out, I'm right behind you!" when in fact you had just burst out of cover to slaughter a busload of refugees. You might even see him fighting next to you, just always missing the real targets.
Actually, no. When I was working at GameStop I saw a gameplay video. It looked bland and uninspired, seemingly trying to ride the Halo coattails. It was just, extremely average looking.
Agreed. God Hand only getting a 3? Should've got a 1...
Anyway, I played the demo and I don't really understand how it got a 4.5 on the 'IGN scale'. It was more fun than the Turok demo and that managed to get a 7 from IGN. I never planned on buying it but I feel pretty sorry for Free Radical.
Scarab: What games don't get hyped at GAF? There have been plenty of Wii and 360 games they've overhyped that turned out to be pretty crap.
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I never asked for this!
The game doesn't ever take itself seriously.
And when you think it did? BAM.
Uh, if you have been conditioned to ignore corpses, you wouldn't unload a clip where they were, that would break the conditioning, or rather, the conditioning would not have been enforced correctly.
So that actually makes sense from a story point, since if you do something like that, you are breaking through the character and breaking the narrative....it does, however, mean that they didn't think it through properly, since they should have instead made it so your guy wont pull the trigger when he's over them, so the interactor can't break the fourth wall. He can only bump gently against it, going darn.
On the other hand, this has the idea of explosives, but then again, you could conceivably get around conditioning by making yourself fire at the wall with the wall being your "target" and killing the guy that way.
Also I had no idea they were using an interesting concept like that, so I might play the game anyway even though their execution isn't well thought through. I just did a whole fucking lab report on instrumental conditioning, which is what this concept is, and then the next day I hear about this? Hah, I might have to rent it just for a look.
edit: hah i just read through the thread properly....definitely rental I guess. pity
not saying it's shitty
If you don't get into that state for whatever reason, because the game was easy or you don't get exciteable easily from computer games or whatever, you probably wouldn't like it as much.
I didn't really like the gorilla. But I liked how B movie Gene was.
My favourite line in the whole game is "Finally, a boss fight." Meta humour lawlz.
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"When you first play Godhand you'll hate the camera and you'll hate the controls, but just give it a chance!"
"GodHand is great because the enemies get harder as it goes along and makes you get better!"
There's so much wrong with these sentences.
I'm still waiting for a review to explain to me precisely what the game is supposed to be satirzing. Because you can't have "satire" without a direct object of satirization. Stephen Colbert satirizes the persona of blow-hard neoconservative front man Bill O'Reilly on Comedy Central--and everyone knows it because there's a clearly identifiable object of satire. The propaganda parts of Starship Troopers parodies the newsreels of the 1940s during WW2. Dr. Strangelove is a satire of the sort of established political and military leaders who were born in a time when the airplane and cars were relatively new technologies but who suddenly find themselves in control of nuclear arsenals capable of ending all life on the planet. Through the flawed simplicity of many of its characters, it explores humanity's complete inability to come to terms with the full consequences of a nuclear holocaust in the age of Leave It To Beaver.
I didn't feel like I was watching Dr. Strangelove when I watched that long clip showing the intro and the gameplay. I felt like I was watching Dude Where's My Car.
That's really all I need to get closure on this piece so I don't have to keep coming back to this thread. Every positive defense of the game says "but it's satire" without explaining how and of what, and I'd like to know what the point behind making this monstrosity was.
Two words. "Bitches leave."
With Lair, a pamphlet was released on how to review Lair.
Ubisoft takes it a bit further and just says that you can't review thier game because reviews don't matter, and everyone should just play it.
http://www.destructoid.com/ubisoft-play-haze-for-yourself--86895.phtml
I'll get right on that.
PFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHA
Yeah. I played it. Not extensively, but I didn't really care for it. I just find those two sentences to be pretty vague and not very helpful if you're trying to convince someone that a game is "great". I didn't like the controls at all and it didn't really get better as I progressed.
As far as "X game is great because the enemies get harder as it goes along and makes you get better!"
Seems to be a general prerequisite for any good game. Doesn't necessarily make any game great. I dunno. I just figured that if someone loves GodHand (as so many do), I expected more specific reasons beyond "Try to get past the bad controls" and "it gets tougher as you go along".
Again, I'm not a fan of GodHand. Just an observation.
Well, that's just like your opinion man.
It doesn't get tougher as you go alone. Thats a misinterpretation of what he said. It gets tougher as you get better. The further alone you get without getting hit makes the enemies try to hit you harder.
/de-rail thread. Back to Haze bashing. Boosh?
Edit:
I can only assume that Haze is a satire of these guys since they run around in body armor suits, have guns on them, and do yell "Boosh!" on more than one occasion.
http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=15d204a818ef09e10c51307d800b39f0
Hah. Hah. Hah.
Ubisoft.
Ridiculous.
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Hmm...I would liken the AC hypetrain to the Fable hypetrain(only personal difference for me is I actually managed to finish Fable...it was only 10 hours though...so...>_>).
Frisky Dingo was actually the first thing that popped in my head when I heard "BOOSH!"
Same here. Now, a Frisky Dingo shooter... that I would buy.