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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    Madden, and Football in general, is just another style of turn based strategy.

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    StupornautStupornaut Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Yeah, I mean, I'm not a huge jock and never really was, but I'm a colossal nerd for baseball (baseball being somewhat nerd-friendly because it's a huge strategic/statistical pileup of math and probability anyways) and I'm looking forward to the new Tecmo Bowl DS game even though real-life football culture gives me hives. Plus I used to follow basketball a bit more obsessively before the Timberwolves got too depressing and unexciting teams kept winning the Finals. I am not entirely sure how sports nerdery and video game nerdery are all that mutually exclusive unless a lot more people went to one of those Hollywood-conjured high schools where nerds were constantly beaten up and screwed with by jocks instead of just ignored.

    And the "why play Madden, I mean, it's just playing with real football teams" is a borderline "I can play guitar in real life, loser"-type argument. I'm sure part of the appeal of sports games is the idea that you can manage and control a team better than the hapless coach/manager that currently runs things.

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    PeenPeen Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I think we need a new catagory: the casual hardcore gamer. I used to be way more into games then I am now, but with the onset of adulthood I haven't been able to play like I used to. So I keep up with what's going on, I think I have pretty good taste, but I just can't throw bucketloads of time into games anymore.

    Therefore, I'm hardcore in my gaming knowledge and tastes but very casual in the amount of time I can spend. This also means that my gaming choices are affected, since the ideal games for me are ones that I can play in small chunks. For instance, I'd love to rip through Bioshock, but I just don't have the large blocks of time to give to it. In contrast, I can burn through a few levels of EDF or a quick Madden game or some Burnout races and not feel like I'm cutting out too soon when I stop.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Am I the only one who has more time to play now then I did when I was a child?

    Shit, at least 2 (up to 4) hours every damn day. And that's with a 9-5 and two kids.

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    RonaldoTheGypsyRonaldoTheGypsy Yes, yes Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Am I the only one who has more time to play now then I did when I was a child?

    Shit, at least 2 (up to 4) hours every damn day. And that's with a 9-5 and two kids.

    It's ten o'clock in the evening. Do you know where your kids are?

    Yeah, one's in Stranglethorn Vale and the other is running Warsong Gulch ...

    *tear* They grow up so fast.

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    slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I love this Madden like Turn Based/Cardgame strategy analogy. It's awesome.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    slash000 wrote: »
    I love this Madden like Turn Based/Cardgame strategy analogy. It's awesome.

    Keep that in mind next time a game is on. Will really make a difference. I could imagine coaching football being pretty fun. Strategizing, picking plays, studying results versus competition. Etc.

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    Greg USNGreg USN Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    people who play games


    (we had a similar thread a while back iirc, and we reached the same conclusion then)

    I think i have seen it at least twice now, but yeah what you said.

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    Regicid3Regicid3 Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I've played at least 30 hours of game this week. I am way more hardcore than you.

    Therefore more awesome.

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    acidlacedpenguinacidlacedpenguin Institutionalized Safe in jail.Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    see my problem with madden isn't that its a videogame version of football. My problem is that the madden franchise is caught up on matching the real-world stats and not on being a fun football game. I'm a fan of the sport, not the league. Unfortunately, madden is a great seller because their target audience is caught up on matching the real-world stats.

    I don't care if that nose tackle's mooseknuckle is accurate to real life or if that QB's mouth-guard is the same brand as his real life counterpart's. I just want to play a simulation football game that is fun.

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    Random IntegerRandom Integer Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    I've played at least 30 hours of game this week. I am way more hardcore than you.

    Therefore more awesome.


    I've played 30 hours of a game in the time it took me to write this post. Yeah, my core of hardness is so incredibly dense it actually warps space and time. And the game I was playing? A turn based strategy game. Made by Germans.

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    Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Stupornaut wrote: »
    I think this is probably the only board I've come across (including blog comment sections) that doesn't believe you're not a real gamer unless you ... spend at least three days ranting on messageboards about how there's a conspiracy on Gamerankings to rank GTA IV's aggregate score higher than Ocarina of Time...
    Wait, there's a conspiracy? Why wasn't I informed?

    Actually, I don't really care since I'm a PC gamer and there are fewer hyped megagames to get high on the aggregate rankings anyway.

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    chamberlainchamberlain Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Regicid3 wrote: »
    I've played at least 30 hours of game this week. I am way more hardcore than you.

    Therefore more awesome.


    I've played 30 hours of a game in the time it took me to write this post. Yeah, my core of hardness is so incredibly dense it actually warps space and time. And the game I was playing? A turn based strategy game. Made by Germans.

    So you made a move and are waiting for the computer?

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    MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    slash000 wrote: »

    Speaking of which... if there was actually a badge you could wear for nerds, what would it be? A double cheeseburger with two viking swords crossed behind it? Yeah... throw in a gamepad at the bottom and a wreath of stinklines surrounding the whole thing. I would get that tattooed on my face. Somebody photoshop this up.

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    BigKev wrote: »

    A Playstation controller?

    REALLY?

    Cry more?

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    darksteeldarksteel Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Over at Insult Swordfighting, there was an eleven-part post written not too long ago by Mitch Krpata, suggesting terms to use to describe how a given gamer spends his time with a particular game. I thought it was well-written and concise. It dispenses the vague descriptors of "hardcore" and "casual" for more specific terms with some criteria as to how he came about those term.

    The article in question.

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    StupornautStupornaut Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Tim James wrote: »
    Stupornaut wrote: »
    I think this is probably the only board I've come across (including blog comment sections) that doesn't believe you're not a real gamer unless you ... spend at least three days ranting on messageboards about how there's a conspiracy on Gamerankings to rank GTA IV's aggregate score higher than Ocarina of Time...
    Wait, there's a conspiracy? Why wasn't I informed?

    Because the message boards you visit aren't as stupid as this one?

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    SudsSuds Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I'm not a gamer.

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    SirUltimosSirUltimos Don't talk, Rusty. Just paint. Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I was going to come in here and try to be all sarcastic, proclaiming how casual the Wii is and how I'm a real gamer, playing 100 hours a week and not touching the "gay rainbow shit for pussies" and just basically play up a big asshole stereotype. But then I realised i'd probably fail at it.

    You know, I just agree with you guys.

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    jeddy leejeddy lee Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Sir Ultimos, you're alright. Mainly because you run the kitchen stadium.

    I saw it AGAIN! Guitar Hero IV developer talking about how there will be shredding for more hardcore guitarists. Is he talking about the music style "Hardcore", or am I less of a guitarist because I focus on blues based rock, despite having trained meticulously for years! ARGH!

    Which brings me to something else to complain about. You remember when Volxwagon was giving out guitars, and they had the commercials with Slash and John Mayer? Each VW dealership got to have a guitar-off to win some money and a chance at an online commercial for that sucka. I went and got ton's of applause from the audience, some guy after me killed the audience with some amazing hendrix/vaughn/clapton/page amazingness, then some 17 year old goth played some drop d speed metal all on the low e string... AND WON!

    GOD DAMNIT! DAMN THOSE FREAKING JUDGES!

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    Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Damn I would love to see some good hardcore breakdowns in Guitar Hero. Might be dumb to play, but I'd still rock out.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Morninglord's guide to a slightly better classification system: *

    Casual: Plays, yknow, whenever they have time. Plays it through all the way sometimes, not all the time. Still likes games, still talks about them, might get into one a lot.

    Casual-hardcore: Plays, yknow, whenever....but when they do find a game they like, they really try to dig into the games, get into it, play through a few times, learn it's ins and outs. It just takes them a loooooot longer. Some games they keep coming back to to keep going too. This is me.

    Hardcore: Play the games back to front, know a lot about it, debate shit back and forth.

    Specialist Hardcore: Life is just a brief awakening between getting better at gaming. Knows stuff by heart. Skills are automatic.

    You can be any of these classifications, and it doesn't indicate type of gametype or specific brand of game you like to play, at all.

    So you could be a broad stroke hardcore, who has enough time to pick up lots of different game types and play them all a lot.

    Or, for example, an action game hardcore, and spend infinite amounts of time mastering extremely hard techniques in those games that appeal in the fighting game genre. So like, a korean starcraft player would be a starcraft hardcore, the pros who play for money are specialists.

    Or a specialist casual, who doesn't have much time to play games but tends to only play a particular brand.

    None of these definitions include people who look down on the other definitions or use them to judge peoples worth or anything like that or judge people based on the type of game they like to play or make inferences about personality traits "inherent" to people who like to play that type of game/ use that brand of console because there's another name for that kind of person:

    Fucking Retard.

    These ones get put in a box in a corner and have stones thrown at them occasionally. We don't really care about them and we don't give their opinions credit. They basically exist as fuel for someone like me to power my sarcasm engine.

    In my opinion, most people who post on these boards a lot are casual hardcore, because they spend too much time posting on these boards. :P

    *More than fucking two, which is stupidly small and unuseful.

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    That's too complex, yet not enough.
    I propose we review everyone's hardcore level and then rate it on a scale of one to ten.
    With decimals.

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    TaminTamin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    How precise are we talking?

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Tamin wrote: »
    How precise are we talking?

    Well, to give you an example, I just reviewed you and I'd give you 8.73 out of 10. That's pretty hardcore, but there are more hardcore gamers out there. You need to put the Wiimote down and farm some achievements.

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    The hardest core PA forumer is Threepio. Im pretty sure he has a birthmark in the shape of the SCEA logo.

    sigged so very hard.

    Also...
    It's not a birthmark. Kutaragi put it there himself.

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    Captain KCaptain K Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    with his pouty lips?

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    ThreepioThreepio New Westminster, BCRegistered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Captain K wrote: »
    with his pouty lips?

    I...

    I miss him.

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    Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Does making games count as being a gamer? Because you have to like, play the games you make ad-nauseum.

    WARNING: THIS IS A POST

    Edit: Really, I'm serious. I spend way more time working on games than actually playing games. Whenever I tell this to my friends, they just give me a wierd look.

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    DjiemDjiem Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Does making games count as being a gamer? Because you have to like, play the games you make ad-nauseum.

    WARNING: THIS IS A POST

    It's a 1.5 points bonus if you actually make games. Only .5 if they suck, though.
    Are they any good?

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    Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    Does making games count as being a gamer? Because you have to like, play the games you make ad-nauseum.

    WARNING: THIS IS A POST

    It's a 1.5 points bonus if you actually make games. Only .5 if they suck, though.
    Are they any good?

    I don't want to site-whore or self-whore or whatever, it's in my sig. I'm my worst critic. My only game that has been sponsored was sponsored by Addicting Games, and it got like a 18% rating. However, I've been told by several inside sources that if you want your game to get good ratings on AG, you literally have to include flying turds, which I failed to do.

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    Shooter McgavinShooter Mcgavin Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I keep up on game industry news, though! Does that make me a gamer? Whenever I see news that the Wii is doing well, I always add "...And?"

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    FreddyDFreddyD Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    j0hnz3r wrote: »
    I think you're a gamer if you call/identify yourself as being similar to the group of people that call themselves gamers. It think the term itself is unique. Other forms of media do not use the media as a descriptor. You're a "-fan" or a "-viewer" or a "-goer". I think when people use the term "gamer", it is a really a sub-classification of geeks/nerds.

    It's like porn, it's hard to describe, but you know it if you see it.

    Degrees of "hardcore-ness" is just e-peen waving.
    I think you have a good point here. The word gamer itself is sort of an insider term. You can't really force that label on someone who doesn't want it. There is definitely a cultural aspect to the term, and maybe some pride, elitism, and camaraderie too. The same goes for terms like dancer, runner, or skater.

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    MasoniteMasonite Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I keep up on game industry news, though! Does that make me a gamer? Whenever I see news that the Wii is doing well, I always add "...And?"

    Hand in your gamer badge; you're definitely not gamer enough to be part of this clique.

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    MorninglordMorninglord I'm tired of being Batman, so today I'll be Owl.Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    That's too complex, yet not enough.
    I propose we review everyone's hardcore level and then rate it on a scale of one to ten.
    With decimals.

    It's complicated enough that people trying to abuse it to judge people or generally fulfill some dickhead agenda get confused and look stupid.

    I see no downside here.

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    The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Id like a sliding scale to judge how hardcore someone is.

    Based on fruit of course, like all of my other rating systems.


    I mean, I know that I'm definitely one of the hardest of hardcore - So im like a peach or a tangerine or something.

    but my mum is really very casual. so i dunno - pomegranate?

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    MooreningMoorening Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Going on the fruit scale, I would have to say I am on the nectarine or mandarin orange end of the scale.

    I think I got that right.

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    SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited May 2008
    Does making games count as being a gamer? Because you have to like, play the games you make ad-nauseum.

    WARNING: THIS IS A POST

    Edit: Really, I'm serious. I spend way more time working on games than actually playing games. Whenever I tell this to my friends, they just give me a wierd look.

    I made a game once.

    But it just ended up with me being sent to the principal's office and a pregnancy scare.

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    MagicPrimeMagicPrime FiresideWizard Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    That's a good story.

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    ZackSchillingZackSchilling Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    Djiem wrote: »
    Does making games count as being a gamer? Because you have to like, play the games you make ad-nauseum.

    WARNING: THIS IS A POST

    It's a 1.5 points bonus if you actually make games. Only .5 if they suck, though.
    Are they any good?

    I don't want to site-whore or self-whore or whatever, it's in my sig. I'm my worst critic. My only game that has been sponsored was sponsored by Addicting Games, and it got like a 18% rating. However, I've been told by several inside sources that if you want your game to get good ratings on AG, you literally have to include flying turds, which I failed to do.

    Fires in Funtown is nearly to completely impossible at times. It's frustrating when you lose a stuffed animal because two hit the trampoline level at the same time. If the firemen could jump into the air to hit the stuffed animals before they hit that exact horizontal line, then you might be on to something. Also, it would be nice if you could dash into animals in a certain range of levels and they would then bounce. Maybe lower the gravity a little to give the player time to think.

    The game should be about juggling but there's very little of that going on because of the high gravity, random impossibility, and zero margin for error.

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    LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited May 2008
    I just saw an advert on the telly for Legend of Zelda - Phantom Hourglass.

    It said -
    From the markers of Animal Crossing...

    o_O

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