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In the car today I recalled to my friend the story of mall shooting in which a couple off-duty police officers and a few standard issue civilians-with-guns cornered the mall shooter and handed him a big can of ultimate justice (by shooting him dead). I remarked that the officers and strapped civilians must sleep really well at night knowing that they their act of heroism probably saved a good number of lives.
My friend disagreed, presuming that they probably feel terrible because they killed a person and have a lot of lingering guilt from it. I told him that he was an idiot and that obviously you would feel awesome for the rest of your life.
After we both paused to reflect upon how wrong the other was, we delved into a long boring discussion about a man's capacity to end the life of another man if it is for the good of others. NOW IT'S YOUR TURN! So what do you think SE++? Would you:
Kill Hitler and then go cry about taking some else's life you pussy
OR
Save a village of children by killing some terrorists and then have a permanent boner.
Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited May 2008
If you kill hitler, you fuck up the time matrix, and Jean Claude Van Damn will have to stop you.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
My perspective is that the average joe will probably go through his entire life without ever doing anything truly heroic. Given the chance to stop a massacre before it starts, I think I would feel awesome about it.
Also I don't feel like it's beyond my mental capacity to deal out death in judgment. Dude about to shoot up a mall full of people needs to die. I don't see much of a moral quandary there, and I can't imagine feeling bad about it afterward.
My perspective is that the average joe will probably go through his entire life without ever doing anything truly heroic. Given the chance to stop a massacre before it starts, I think I would feel awesome about it.
Also I don't feel like it's beyond my mental capacity to deal out death in judgment. Dude about to shoot up a mall full of people needs to die. I don't see much of a moral quandary there, and I can't imagine feeling bad about it afterward.
nonetheless it is true there are some folks who do
the reasons for this are various, one interesting thing that occurs in some people (in particular soldiers) is in the immediate aftermath of the kill itself, when adrenaline is still pumping and their brain has basically shut off fear and doubt, there's a bit of a high.
for some, that moment can feel godlike. they know that they held the power to snuff out a human life and alter, irrevocably, everything in the future pertaining to that person and their actions.
then they come down off that high and they feel massively guilty about that feeling of power and control. they angst over the fact that, in some ways, they enjoyed it. not the act itself, mind you, just the feeling of power and control afterwards.
then they start doubting themselves, and wondering why it is they felt that way and beginning to fear that they might persue that feeling and kill again, and turn into some kind of horrible monster.
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edited May 2008
Hitler killed millions of people. This was a crazy guy in the mall.
Some people can rationalize the taking of a life, others can not. I am sure that some members of that group do feel a profound guilt for taking another human life, others may not feel a thing.
I mean, I ain't gonna kill them, that's Pony's job
but I'll rationalize the shit out of it
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
for me, not being capable of remorse over anything really, it's interesting to watch how people deal with shit like this. i know how i dealt with it, of course, but that's me. my brain's all screwy.
other people, normal people, are interesting when they are confronted with that kind of reality, forced into a position of making the choice, and then dealing with the harsh truths afterwards.
for a dude, say, who ain't never even really been in a fight before, who never had to kill a damn thing, hell who goes out of his way to not step on bugs as he walks the sidewalk, to be put into a position where the only rational outcome is to end someone else's life, that's pretty stressful.
i mean, someone in that position has absolutely no framework of what to think, or how to think. it's a completely new experience they have no baseline for comparison to. and if they enjoy it, or find themselves well-suited to the task? that can be suddenly worrisome for them, having to confront feelings and capabilities they didn't realize they had.
hell, some folks even feel bad about not feeling bad. wrap your head around that! they don't feel remorse or guilt over what they've done, and because they are consciously aware that socially they should, there's a bit of an internal cognitive conflict that occurs where they doubt themselves and are angry with themselves for not instinctively responding to the situation the way they thought they should.
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited May 2008
All I know is that I'm not doing anything heroic without an appropriate metal soundtrack playing behind me.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
I'm speaking for myself here, but every person handles taking another person's life in a different manner. There's isn't some universal way in which every person reacts to killing someone else in the same exact fashion. In Afghanistan, some guys didn't seem at all affected by shooting someone, while others had instant reactions to it such as collapsing, vomiting, going into a nervous breakdown, etc. People deal with it in different ways.
It sounds incredibly corny, but I began to think alot about God and Hell, etc. I read a lot of Khalil Gibran works after I had to actually take a life while over there. It took me a long time to actually be able to talk about as well.
I mean, I ain't gonna kill them, that's Pony's job
but I'll rationalize the shit out of it
it is my belief that folks with my mental condition serve a function in society and that it's not so much a mental illness, per se, but an evolutionary by-product of a time where dudes like you needed to forage for berries and dudes like me needed to go take out the opposing tribe
we need each other, that's what makes us a functioning tribe. we can't all be cops, but we also can't all be farmers either. someone's gotta step up and make the hard choices and kill the enemies of their people when that's gotta get done, and in that situation i think evolution has provided us with folks hardwired to being natural at doing it and not crying a tear about it
however in our modern and evolving civil society i think the importance of those people as ruthless killers is diminished, and instead many of them find positions in other things were being completely without remorse or hesitation comes in handy, like law or business management
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Munkus BeaverYou don't have to attend every argument you are invited to.Philosophy: Stoicism. Politics: Democratic SocialistRegistered User, ClubPAregular
edited May 2008
I was so let down that nobody yelled out MULTIKILL after my first multiple homicide.
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
for me, not being capable of remorse over anything really, it's interesting to watch how people deal with shit like this. i know how i dealt with it, of course, but that's me. my brain's all screwy.
other people, normal people, are interesting when they are confronted with that kind of reality, forced into a position of making the choice, and then dealing with the harsh truths afterwards.
for a dude, say, who ain't never even really been in a fight before, who never had to kill a damn thing, hell who goes out of his way to not step on bugs as he walks the sidewalk, to be put into a position where the only rational outcome is to end someone else's life, that's pretty stressful.
i mean, someone in that position has absolutely no framework of what to think, or how to think. it's a completely new experience they have no baseline for comparison to. and if they enjoy it, or find themselves well-suited to the task? that can be suddenly worrisome for them, having to confront feelings and capabilities they didn't realize they had.
hell, some folks even feel bad about not feeling bad. wrap your head around that! they don't feel remorse or guilt over what they've done, and because they are consciously aware that socially they should, there's a bit of an internal cognitive conflict that occurs where they doubt themselves and are angry with themselves for not instinctively responding to the situation the way they thought they should.
Exactly.
No one can possibly know how they will react to that type of situation until it slaps them in the face.
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TAKE THAT
KILL A MAAAAAAAAAAN
say, a dude like Paul Bernardo
i could kill that dude with my bare hands
i wouldn't feel bad, i would feel like the world owes me a high 5 for making it a little bit better
but could you be sure you really got him
i hear he's a great impression artist
like a latin chameleon
Also I don't feel like it's beyond my mental capacity to deal out death in judgment. Dude about to shoot up a mall full of people needs to die. I don't see much of a moral quandary there, and I can't imagine feeling bad about it afterward.
oh jesus christ rank i would fucking help
his wife too
He does an excellent impression of every other fucking relevant comedian in the last 10 years.
i would peel his skin off with a potato peeler and then beat him with a cudgel wrapped in barbed wire
how about we just steamroll africa
just leave egypt and maybe south africa
Just drop a MOAB on his compound with the whole family inside. It's the only way to be sure.
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I would fuck his wife there by condemning her to hell
nonetheless it is true there are some folks who do
the reasons for this are various, one interesting thing that occurs in some people (in particular soldiers) is in the immediate aftermath of the kill itself, when adrenaline is still pumping and their brain has basically shut off fear and doubt, there's a bit of a high.
for some, that moment can feel godlike. they know that they held the power to snuff out a human life and alter, irrevocably, everything in the future pertaining to that person and their actions.
then they come down off that high and they feel massively guilty about that feeling of power and control. they angst over the fact that, in some ways, they enjoyed it. not the act itself, mind you, just the feeling of power and control afterwards.
then they start doubting themselves, and wondering why it is they felt that way and beginning to fear that they might persue that feeling and kill again, and turn into some kind of horrible monster.
Some people can rationalize the taking of a life, others can not. I am sure that some members of that group do feel a profound guilt for taking another human life, others may not feel a thing.
It is an individual thing.
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Not kill, but I would beat him senseless. Severe a tendon or two.
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then rape him
make him live with the notion that he has had sex with a man
Exactly!
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I mean, I ain't gonna kill them, that's Pony's job
but I'll rationalize the shit out of it
Dru, he's just phising for emails to add to his crush porn mailing list.
other people, normal people, are interesting when they are confronted with that kind of reality, forced into a position of making the choice, and then dealing with the harsh truths afterwards.
for a dude, say, who ain't never even really been in a fight before, who never had to kill a damn thing, hell who goes out of his way to not step on bugs as he walks the sidewalk, to be put into a position where the only rational outcome is to end someone else's life, that's pretty stressful.
i mean, someone in that position has absolutely no framework of what to think, or how to think. it's a completely new experience they have no baseline for comparison to. and if they enjoy it, or find themselves well-suited to the task? that can be suddenly worrisome for them, having to confront feelings and capabilities they didn't realize they had.
hell, some folks even feel bad about not feeling bad. wrap your head around that! they don't feel remorse or guilt over what they've done, and because they are consciously aware that socially they should, there's a bit of an internal cognitive conflict that occurs where they doubt themselves and are angry with themselves for not instinctively responding to the situation the way they thought they should.
way to make me queasy, pony
It sounds incredibly corny, but I began to think alot about God and Hell, etc. I read a lot of Khalil Gibran works after I had to actually take a life while over there. It took me a long time to actually be able to talk about as well.
it is my belief that folks with my mental condition serve a function in society and that it's not so much a mental illness, per se, but an evolutionary by-product of a time where dudes like you needed to forage for berries and dudes like me needed to go take out the opposing tribe
we need each other, that's what makes us a functioning tribe. we can't all be cops, but we also can't all be farmers either. someone's gotta step up and make the hard choices and kill the enemies of their people when that's gotta get done, and in that situation i think evolution has provided us with folks hardwired to being natural at doing it and not crying a tear about it
however in our modern and evolving civil society i think the importance of those people as ruthless killers is diminished, and instead many of them find positions in other things were being completely without remorse or hesitation comes in handy, like law or business management
Exactly.
No one can possibly know how they will react to that type of situation until it slaps them in the face.
Fortytwo's blog about fatherhood, life, and everything.