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KnaveMurdok
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I am Knave Murdok, and this is my comic, this is my first ever attempt at making a webcomic.
There is no story thus far, each page is it's own story, although I won't bar myself from exploring continuity in the future.
Critique is wanted and welcome
Thanks for your support, it means a lot to this up and coming artist.
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If you want critiques on the art of the comic, please post art from it in the thread directly, rather than linking to it.
If all you want is hits for the comic, you are in the wrong place.
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Is there a more appropriate part of the forum to advertise?
It's one thing if someone who posts as part of the community has a link to a comic in their sig, or if they post their comic for art crits, and people go and check out their site on their own without being hawked to.
It's another thing if someone signs up explicitly just to hawk something, quite possibly just to jet off right after. It's annoying and it's spam, and it won't be tolerated.
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Also, if you've been reading these forums for a year, I have to wonder have you read the rules yet?
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I guess because I'm an idiot? :-P
I dunno, I've only ever picked and chosen random threads to follow, and was not really thinking about becoming involved, until now that is, because I feel like I have something to share finally.
Welcome.
Who is NakedZergling?
Why NakedZergling is the guy who hates everything and rarely proofreads his posts or uses punctuation.
The art is not that great, but it it looks typical of someone starting to learn to draw. If you practice every day, and listen to the advice you get here and from other real artists you meet, i think you'll be fine. It looks like you have a good start, just keep it up.
The 2 ideas you have here are decent. They don't seem very web comic to me, as i usually imagine web comics being 4-5 panels at most, but thats neither here nor there. They look more like single comic book pages, and that fine.
The problem....is the execution. The comic book page thing is fine, but you need to do some thumb nails first, and lay out where each panel is going to go. The second comic is a god dammed mess. The lines slant, who knows where the hell you need to read next.
for this to work as a web comic it could be broken down to basics.
panel1
"no face" holding pic, tapping face, looking upset,
panel 2
"no face" in shadows behind human guy
panel 3
the big reveal of "no face's" new face
I understand the desire to get detail and tell a story, but thats not really a web comic, thats more a comic book, which is cool too.
good luck.
Sloppy is kind of the feel I'm looking for, I can draw clean, but this is I guess not supposed to be about clean, the hurried pen stokes and the frantic lines are intentional.
The question is, despite all this, do you think the point is getting across? I'm not looking to create Michaelangelo, or even Marvel, it's supposed to look frantic and desperate, I'm just wondering how well it works.
Perhaps you're right about the formatting though, I think that these will eventually end up in a book, but for now, they remain online, as a webcomic.
Who knows, maybe I'll be the moron who revolutionizes the medium?
I HAD more comics posted, there were 4 on this page, but only two of them are showing up now :-/
No offense mate but ... what the fuck?!?
Before you spend money on self publishing much less trying to find someone else to publish this you may wanna take a huge step back and drink a +35 Elixer of Reality.
Based on your post it is clear you are not trying to create a certain look ... youre just taking an easy way out ... you may well be able to draw clean comics but you dont wanna take the time to do it so youre tossing down sketches and calling it desperate and frantic.
Thats not gonna cut it man ... especially if youre thinking of putting these in a "book" ...
Give your audience some credit ... if it looks like you dont really care about the artwork why should we?
EDIT: and seriously ... "revoutionize the medium?" ... your "style" isnt any different then 99% of amature web comics out there other then its longer then 3 or 4 panels ... and none of them are ending up in a "book" if they stay the way they are
Oh, I'm gonna be a superstar, just you wait.
I actually do appreciate the criticism, it seems all to often people either just say "It's good" or "I don't get it" and just aren't able to articulate beyond that.
I'm not sure what it meant by "the easy way out" though, because there certainly isn't an "out" involved here, and what I'm doing here isn't being done because I feel like it's easy.
This is actually a bit of a different direction for me, which none of you realize simply because you are all just now meeting me, and don't know anything about my work before this.
I'm curious though, you say my work reminds you of 99% of other amateur web comics out there, do you have specific names? I personally have not run afoul of similar comics in the past, but to be honest, the last thing I want to be is someone who simply reminds people of someone else.
Knave it would be nice to see you follow the form with your line rather than hatching in what ever direction you choose to create a tone. Old master drawings are a good place to look for an example of this.. or Just look at other comic artists that hatch.
You were joking around when you made the super star comment right?
Well i should have seen this coming. You give advice to someone, and they throw back that all the shittiness you pointed out is their "style" and intentional and blah blah blah blah.
Why do these people say they want criticism? You have made up your mind that your comic is awesome and that you're the shit. But it's not and you aren't.
My prediction...more defense of his work leads to a big flaming PA AC beat down. Lets get it on!
Half joking/half just being hyper optimistic.
Thank you for the actual advice my friend, I will surely track down some of these old master drawings, do you have a ny place specific you would suggest I begin looking?
I'm pretty sure I'm awesome, as well as the shit, yet I haven't received so much criticism as I have just insults. If there was some actual advice I would consider following it.
I mean, I COULD drink +35 elixir of reality, but what then?
Yeah, I know this is a rough start, I know I am untempered and untamed and that these few pages in their current state probably aren't good enough to sell anything (which is why I'm showing them off for free)
Wild insults DO come with the territory, I realize that, but throw some actual advice in there, and I'll modify it as my own in due time.
The reference may be lost on you, my friend.
Have you seen/heard of the film "There Will Be Blood?"
The comic is a parody of it's final scene.
Even if you hate my comic, you should at least see the movie.
I don't suffer from Insanity. I enjoy every minute of it.
you should change your attitude. Humility goes a lot further with getting people to help. I used to be like you so this whole thing is kind've amusing.
They aren't good enough to sell. I'm not saying this to put you down, but you have to understand where you are. I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you don't, because you're already thinking about selling your work when it's not even close to ready. At this point, there is nothing this forum can criticize, because you're missing fundamentals. I don't know how old you are, but if you want a future career in art, you need to take classes, study and practice a lot, and possibly pursue an art degree.
TL;DR: You're trying to develop a style before you have a solid foundation. Style is something that comes naturally with time (and lots of it), not something you can force. Trust me on this one, draw from life, read books about the basics, take some classes.
Do pardon, I'm not trying to sound like I'm not humble, I realize this is square one for me and I'm really appreciative of the advice of learned people.
I like this picture a lot, by the by, I will surely seek out more, and perhaps become inspired.
But I'm NOT thinking of selling it, not right now, like I said, I'm putting it up for free for this very reason. Perhaps someday down the line when I have some kind of experience, then maybe, "that will always be the dream" as they say.
I am currently enrolled in college, going for a degree in studio art, this is my first year.
I took a lot of arty type program things when I was a child, but this is my first step towards making this a more serious endeavor.
Well thank the fucking lucky stars i'm able to view your art for free. What an honor. Let me get on my knees that i can better service your cock! Thank you for giving me the honor to gaze upon your early masterpieces.
You're in college? i thought you were like 13.
You're attitude sucks. Arrogance is annoying on people who can actually back it up with talent. It's unforgivable coming from those with as little skill as you do.
Aside from your mommy, and maybe a neighbor or two, no one is going to pay money for your "art".
Please die.
I just started Art School as well (technically going into my second year), what kind of program are you in for a degree in studio art?
EDIT: Aw, man! Totp? I don't even ever really post in threads outside the photo thread. jeez.
My Website | My "photo-a-day" 2010
Jesus man, sorry, I'm really not trying to sound arrogant, but if that's how I seem to be coming off, then i do really apologize. I was quite grateful for the advice you gave me in your first reply before you started getting all nasty on me :-(
But no, really, I do apologize for my attitude, if I came off as an asshole, it wasn't meant that way. Perhaps I don't take critique as well as I'd like to, but that's the whole reason I'm even here in the first place.
Just my local college, they have a fairly good art department. I thought it might be a good place for me to get my start, saving up credits for transfer or just seeing what type of oppurtunities present themselves.
I LOVE Edward Gorey, and the way he draws.
I'm a little flattered even that you'd invoke his name as a reference, If someday I can be even half as good as he is, then I'd consider my life worthwhile.
But I think I'm beginning to understand what a lot of people here were saying before, that I need to lay down my groundwork around my fundamentals, which I'm just now starting to develop.
Perhaps I'm rushing myself a little in attempting to create a "style" before I get my basics down, but whatever... I guess its good to fuck things up sometimes so you know what NOT to do down the line.
My advice for you would be to hold off on doing anything abstract until you have a solid (re: solid) idea of the world in your head. Don't expect this to happen over night, or even in the next few years. Since you're just starting in art school, make yourself a sponge instead of a brick.
Thanks to everyone who tried to help, and once again, if I came off as an asshole, or arrogant, that's TOTALLY not what I was going for and I do apologize.
I will be sticking around here on these forums, afterall, I came here for reasons other than showing off my shit, so do expect to see more in the near future.
Please, whatever you do, please remove the title "Who is Knave Murdok?"
What NakedZergling has cleverly done here is demonstrated the "unforgivable" portion of his claim. See how annoying it is to read something written by a total asshole? Yeah! It's a good thing that you have chosen to aim in a direction different than this, Knave!
What NakedZergling has cleverly done here is feigned a fearful reaction to my very emotionally-charged attack on him a post earlier, but in an obviously sarcastic way to suggest that even though I am abnormally outraged, my input has no effect here! This makes me feel small and inferior.
Aww, but I like that title :-/
Whatever, I'm sure I'll come up with something that annoys you even more :-P
First step is acceptance and you seem to have gotten that, so kudos to you.
The critiques here can be pretty harsh, and some people really get quite worked up and emotional about the whole process, but if you're willing to pick out the constructive critiques and work with them, you'll be well accepted here.
style will come naturally as you progress. I used to say that you can't really have a style until you know the basics of drawing. To some extent this is true, style develops as you develop artistically. It doesn't just appear one day once you've mastered the fundamentals, it also can't be forced, it just sort of occurs, so go with it!
edit: hahah thumbs up to the new title! You're being a good sport.
That's the very reason I came here, because I was expecting the criticism to be harsh.
As I mentioned before, people I know in person who I show this stuff to either say "I like it" or "I don't get it" and they do NOT elaborate, it's quite frustrating actually.
So yes, I'm grateful for the actual responses, I'm even grateful for the aggravated insults, as I am certain they will be coming in heavy truckloads as I progress.
Being a good sport is my middle name
Knave Being a Good Sport Murdok
Don't get bent out of shape, ".Tripwire." You just got nothin' on my boy "Naked" here, who passes the day plowin' ladies' vaginas with his wolfy man-cannon. Pssshhhawww, step off, slipple-tits.
What beavotron has cleverly done here is expressed a half-hearted sexual invitation veiled as friendly recognition in order to pacify her real-world desire to sleep with an animal.