Okay, it's been awhile. Way back in the first season, Baltar created a cylon detection machine that did work, but he was too scared to admit it for fear of the cylon's killing him. What happened to this machine and why isn't it being used to test who the final five are? I'm having a vague recolection of Adama ordering it destroyed in a later season but I don't remember why or how.
It was a really long process, he could only test 1 person's blood like every so many hours so it was going to take so many months or years to test everyone in the fleet. How many people do you think he got tested?
I know at some point the 7 models all became known to the colonials and his machine became useless, still I wonder if he could have found the final 5 with it.
In rewatching that series of eps, I was under the impression that he sabotaged the test itself so that no one would appear to be a cylon.
Yup, so no one thought it works. Tigh calls it a piece of shit or something of the like in S2 Ep1 or Ep2.
Anyway, Baltar can't admit he sabotaged it anymore, since that would involve him being sent out the nearest airlock REALLY fast.
It's never on screen, but in the previous episode when
Tory and Baltar are in bed, Baltar says that he heard about the president's visions when he saw Six in the brig, shortly before the end of the trial when "a guilty verdict seemed inevitable", and he had considered divulging that information if he had been declared guilty.
Okay, it's been awhile. Way back in the first season, Baltar created a cylon detection machine that did work, but he was too scared to admit it for fear of the cylon's killing him. What happened to this machine and why isn't it being used to test who the final five are? I'm having a vague recolection of Adama ordering it destroyed in a later season but I don't remember why or how.
It was a really long process, he could only test 1 person's blood like every so many hours so it was going to take so many months or years to test everyone in the fleet. How many people do you think he got tested?
I know at some point the 7 models all became known to the colonials and his machine became useless, still I wonder if he could have found the final 5 with it.
In rewatching that series of eps, I was under the impression that he sabotaged the test itself so that no one would appear to be a cylon.
Yup, so no one thought it works. Tigh calls it a piece of shit or something of the like in S2 Ep1 or Ep2.
Anyway, Baltar can't admit he sabotaged it anymore, since that would involve him being sent out the nearest airlock REALLY fast.
Things that Baltar should be killed for....
Being seduced by a Six and allowing the Colonies to fall due to his "defense" program
Creating a Cylon detector and lying about it's effectiveness
Allowing the Cylons to use him during his "presidency"
Just add more as you see fit... I'm still waiting for everyone to realkize the firs tbullet point, kind of pisses me off that no one has found out that the entire thing is his fault....
Okay, it's been awhile. Way back in the first season, Baltar created a cylon detection machine that did work, but he was too scared to admit it for fear of the cylon's killing him. What happened to this machine and why isn't it being used to test who the final five are? I'm having a vague recolection of Adama ordering it destroyed in a later season but I don't remember why or how.
It was a really long process, he could only test 1 person's blood like every so many hours so it was going to take so many months or years to test everyone in the fleet. How many people do you think he got tested?
I know at some point the 7 models all became known to the colonials and his machine became useless, still I wonder if he could have found the final 5 with it.
In rewatching that series of eps, I was under the impression that he sabotaged the test itself so that no one would appear to be a cylon.
Yup, so no one thought it works. Tigh calls it a piece of shit or something of the like in S2 Ep1 or Ep2.
Anyway, Baltar can't admit he sabotaged it anymore, since that would involve him being sent out the nearest airlock REALLY fast.
Things that Baltar should be killed for....
Being seduced by a Six and allowing the Colonies to fall due to his "defense" program
Creating a Cylon detector and lying about it's effectiveness
Allowing the Cylons to use him during his "presidency"
Just add more as you see fit... I'm still waiting for everyone to realkize the firs tbullet point, kind of pisses me off that no one has found out that the entire thing is his fault....
Am I the only person that finds it very easy to sympathize with him?
#1, as said wasn't truly his fault. Maybe on the treason part and the fact that he sold defense codes, but he didn't know about the cylons. He was just getting sucked off in exchange for governmental info. The fact that said info was the direct cause for the near eradication of the human race... is just reeeeeaaaaallllly bad luck.
#3, if you remember, was the entire basis of Lee's defense and the reason Baltar got a Not Guilty verdict. He cooperated with them, because the alternative would have gotten New Caprica nuked. Like Lee said, "What would you have done?".
I sympathize with they guy, because when you sit down and really analyze it, he's really not to blame for it. Or rather, he never directly and with malicious intent did it. He was just trying to survive. He's just had the most horrible luck, and if he simply had the chance to sit down and explain everything, people could see that. The sad thing is though that any chance he ever gets of doing such an act, he just fucks right up. And now it's far too late, since nobody will ever believe such an outlandish tale.
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Baltar knowingly and willingly gave a random person access to the entire defense network of the human worlds for some pussy. That really is treason there without a question.
Baltar is an incredibly flawed human being with no concern for any other person and willing to do almost anything to survive. He's a jackass.
Baltar knowingly and willingly gave a random person access to the entire defense network of the human worlds for some pussy. That really is treason there without a question.
Baltar is an incredibly flawed human being with no concern for any other person and willing to do almost anything to survive. He's a jackass.
Eh, so he made a little mistake...big deal. Plus, it was Tricia Helfer. Plus, do we know that the #6's don't actually have some kind of mind-bending pheromone or something that was never discussed? I mean they are exceptionally seductively persuasive.
Honestly, I'm not willing to write Baltar off as a complete bad guy. He's shown elements of goodness and he's shown elements of selfishness. I think he was put into some really tough situations all throughout.
He's not malevolent, he's just very egotistical and thus selfish.
He's the kind of person I can't say should generally be punished or anything, he should just be kept way the fuck away from any power, responsibility or anything the least bit important.
It's never on screen, but in the previous episode when
Tory and Baltar are in bed, Baltar says that he heard about the president's visions when he saw Six in the brig, shortly before the end of the trial when "a guilty verdict seemed inevitable", and he had considered divulging that information if he had been declared guilty.
So, in my mind, the possibility is there.
I'm pretty sure that
His first, now dead, lawyer was the one who told him that after talking to the 6
As for Baltar's moral fortitude, come on. He prayed to God to blow up a ship full of people since someone who might have known he was responsible for the cylons getting the codes was on it. He knowingly let Boomer walk around after finding out she was a Cylon out of some weird sense of fear, with his only concession being one attempt at convincing her to kill herself. He let some guy get stranded on an asteroid because his girlfriend who now lived in his head told him to. Baltar is not exactly what I would call good people.
In that last episode with Athena, etc. etc. - where the fuck was Helo?
Isn't Helo
On da basestar with Roslin and Baltar?
I really hope so.
Also, the final cylon is Badger.
Yeah, not Romo, the actual Badger. Like, he'll fly in with Mal and River on a Firefly class transport and they'll lead the Cylons into an Alliance/Reaver ambush, which is huge and epic like the one in Serenity.
It'll be glorious and I'll be able to die a happy man.
It's never on screen, but in the previous episode when
Tory and Baltar are in bed, Baltar says that he heard about the president's visions when he saw Six in the brig, shortly before the end of the trial when "a guilty verdict seemed inevitable", and he had considered divulging that information if he had been declared guilty.
So, in my mind, the possibility is there.
I'm pretty sure that
His first, now dead, lawyer was the one who told him that after talking to the 6
As for Baltar's moral fortitude, come on. He prayed to God to blow up a ship full of people since someone who might have known he was responsible for the cylons getting the codes was on it. He knowingly let Boomer walk around after finding out she was a Cylon out of some weird sense of fear, with his only concession being one attempt at convincing her to kill herself. He let some guy get stranded on an asteroid because his girlfriend who now lived in his head told him to. Baltar is not exactly what I would call good people.
Oh, certainly no one is saying the guy deserves a medal and is completely blameless. Like I said though, he's had plenty of chances where, if he had came to a full stop, smack himself, then come clean, he'd have been fine. Instead he just keeps screwing up more and more. In my own opinion, I would say that his entire life and current situation is about 40% his own fraking fault and the other 60% horrible luck, terrible circumstances, and destiny.
I always found the asteroid situation funny though.. That was truly a messed up and diabolical thing he did.
Which turned out be absolutely right.
The Wolfman on
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Uh, question, I don't remember Gaius post-new-caprica much so can anyone tell me:
If him and the current Captive-Six 'broke up' so to speak? I mean, I guess they're seeing other people now but they always had a weird cylon relationship.
Uh, question, I don't remember Gaius post-new-caprica much so can anyone tell me:
If him and the current Captive-Six 'broke up' so to speak? I mean, I guess they're seeing other people now but they always had a weird cylon relationship.
Well, he sort of chose D'Anna over her, which I imagine hurt her feelings quite badly. Outside of the possibility of a visit as mentioned earlier, we don't know if there's been any contact between the two since Baltar was brought back on board.
If you remember during the trial Six was going to testify against him, instead the lawyer brought her the pen he was using to write his book and using that and some fancy truth twisting convinced her he still cared for her. Outside of that I don't think they had any contact since which is odd a bit, not like he can visit her but no mention about the other strikes me a bit strange.
having just seen last week's episode, the final cylon must be
Doc Cottle!
The dying six figured this out right as she died! Just check out the way that scene was shot!
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I really do think there's something more to that scene. Maybe that six is was able to rez before the attack or something. I find it odd they drew out her death when she could have just been dead as she hit the floor.
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having just seen last week's episode, the final cylon must be
Doc Cottle!
The dying six figured this out right as she died! Just check out the way that scene was shot!
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I really do think there's something more to that scene. Maybe that six is was able to rez before the attack or something. I find it odd they drew out her death when she could have just been dead as she hit the floor.
I'm thinking that scene was shot to show
That her death was meaningful, and that added meaning makes it kinda ok for the humans to sympathize with them.
Now, what happened to
Baltar seeing himself in his visions suddenly, and why haven't he or the six seen each other since? In other news, Tigh is just using that awesome Cylon projection technique so he can bone his dead wife again.
Yeah, not Romo, the actual Badger. Like, he'll fly in with Mal and River on a Firefly class transport and they'll lead the Cylons into an Alliance/Reaver ambush, which is huge and epic like the one in Serenity.
It'll be glorious and I'll be able to die a happy man.
It's so true. There was that firefly in the mini series before the attacks, and we all know Wash wasn't going out like that when the attack came. They're out there, waiting for the right moment to sweep in and be Big Damn Heros again.
I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
You're going to have problems explaining "Jabbing wires into my arms to control shit" bit.
I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
That's another of those "Producers have said it isn't so" things.
I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
You're going to have problems explaining "Jabbing wires into my arms to control shit" bit.
Clearly you've never been in Harlem.
Or to a marionette show.
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I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
You're going to have problems explaining "Jabbing wires into my arms to control shit" bit.
Which was, let's be real, totally fucking ridiculous. I don't care what's going on inside your head, if there's no anatomical difference between humans and Cylons, they shouldn't be able to do that kind of shit.
I have a feeling that none of them are Cylons but rather human clones that were subjugated and made to believe they were Cylons. Maybe they found a legimiate way to pass memories from one human to another without actually being told that they were just human.
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
You're going to have problems explaining "Jabbing wires into my arms to control shit" bit.
Plus the silicon pathways melting at that one supply storage place
Yeah, not Romo, the actual Badger. Like, he'll fly in with Mal and River on a Firefly class transport and they'll lead the Cylons into an Alliance/Reaver ambush, which is huge and epic like the one in Serenity.
It'll be glorious and I'll be able to die a happy man.
It's so true. There was that firefly in the mini series before the attacks, and we all know Wash wasn't going out like that when the attack came. They're out there, waiting for the right moment to sweep in and be Big Damn Heros again.
More serious note: anyone else notice that Lee is
still wearing his wedding ring?
OH SHITS!
WASH MIGHT NOT BE DEAD!! HE'S THE 12TH CYLON!!!
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They've said it numerous times, that the final five are fundamentally different than the other 7. As in, they can reproduce with straight up cylons. Perhaps the 13th tribe created two versions of the cylons we see today.
They've said it numerous times, that the final five are fundamentally different than the other 7. As in, they can reproduce with straight up cylons. Perhaps the 13th tribe created two versions of the cylons we see today.
That'd have to imply that the 13th tribe came back to the area and had been around for a while, behind the scenes. We know they left the original 12 a very, very long time ago (thousands of years?), and supposedly the "skinjobs" are a development roughly during or after the last big war if I'm not mistaken, which leaves us with a time gap in the hundreds or thousands of years.
I'm not ruling out 13th tribe involvement, but it'd have to be a significant amount of involvment.
Also, it just now occurs to me; the 12 tribes are named after the 12 signs of the zodiac. I wonder what the 13th one will be called? I mean, there isn't a 13th sign, right?
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Also, it just now occurs to me; the 12 tribes are named after the 12 signs of the zodiac. I wonder what the 13th one will be called? I mean, there isn't a 13th sign, right?
There are 13 full moons in a calendar year, my brain is feebly offering that I heard (or dreamed) in a world religions class in college that there were 13 zodiac signs at one point, but that more modern calendar systems edged them out because there were fewer months.
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Yup, so no one thought it works. Tigh calls it a piece of shit or something of the like in S2 Ep1 or Ep2.
Anyway, Baltar can't admit he sabotaged it anymore, since that would involve him being sent out the nearest airlock REALLY fast.
It's never on screen, but in the previous episode when
So, in my mind, the possibility is there.
Things that Baltar should be killed for....
Just add more as you see fit... I'm still waiting for everyone to realkize the firs tbullet point, kind of pisses me off that no one has found out that the entire thing is his fault....
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Am I the only person that finds it very easy to sympathize with him?
how on earth can he be blamed for the first one, he didn't know cylons could be humaniform. There's no guilt at all there
We call that treason here in America, and execute the hell out of people who do it!
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#3, if you remember, was the entire basis of Lee's defense and the reason Baltar got a Not Guilty verdict. He cooperated with them, because the alternative would have gotten New Caprica nuked. Like Lee said, "What would you have done?".
I sympathize with they guy, because when you sit down and really analyze it, he's really not to blame for it. Or rather, he never directly and with malicious intent did it. He was just trying to survive. He's just had the most horrible luck, and if he simply had the chance to sit down and explain everything, people could see that. The sad thing is though that any chance he ever gets of doing such an act, he just fucks right up. And now it's far too late, since nobody will ever believe such an outlandish tale.
Baltar knowingly and willingly gave a random person access to the entire defense network of the human worlds for some pussy. That really is treason there without a question.
Baltar is an incredibly flawed human being with no concern for any other person and willing to do almost anything to survive. He's a jackass.
Eh, so he made a little mistake...big deal. Plus, it was Tricia Helfer. Plus, do we know that the #6's don't actually have some kind of mind-bending pheromone or something that was never discussed? I mean they are exceptionally seductively persuasive.
Honestly, I'm not willing to write Baltar off as a complete bad guy. He's shown elements of goodness and he's shown elements of selfishness. I think he was put into some really tough situations all throughout.
He's the kind of person I can't say should generally be punished or anything, he should just be kept way the fuck away from any power, responsibility or anything the least bit important.
Yeah, not Romo, the actual Badger. Like, he'll fly in with Mal and River on a Firefly class transport and they'll lead the Cylons into an Alliance/Reaver ambush, which is huge and epic like the one in Serenity.
It'll be glorious and I'll be able to die a happy man.
I have a hard time arguing this. She makes a very, very persuasive series of arguments in her favour across the course of the series.
Oh, certainly no one is saying the guy deserves a medal and is completely blameless. Like I said though, he's had plenty of chances where, if he had came to a full stop, smack himself, then come clean, he'd have been fine. Instead he just keeps screwing up more and more. In my own opinion, I would say that his entire life and current situation is about 40% his own fraking fault and the other 60% horrible luck, terrible circumstances, and destiny.
Which turned out be absolutely right.
The dying six figured this out right as she died! Just check out the way that scene was shot!
...
I really do think there's something more to that scene. Maybe that six is was able to rez before the attack or something. I find it odd they drew out her death when she could have just been dead as she hit the floor.
I'm thinking that scene was shot to show
Now, what happened to
It's so true. There was that firefly in the mini series before the attacks, and we all know Wash wasn't going out like that when the attack came. They're out there, waiting for the right moment to sweep in and be Big Damn Heros again.
More serious note: anyone else notice that Lee is
I mean, why hasn't an autopsy ever revealed any mechanical parts?
That's another of those "Producers have said it isn't so" things.
Clearly you've never been in Harlem.
Or to a marionette show.
Which was, let's be real, totally fucking ridiculous. I don't care what's going on inside your head, if there's no anatomical difference between humans and Cylons, they shouldn't be able to do that kind of shit.
Plus the silicon pathways melting at that one supply storage place
I don't think a regular human could do that.
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So when does this show air again? This week?
after this week and then next week there is supposed to be a hiatus again, isn't there?
Quantum nanomachines?
OH SHITS!
I'm not ruling out 13th tribe involvement, but it'd have to be a significant amount of involvment.
Also, it just now occurs to me; the 12 tribes are named after the 12 signs of the zodiac. I wonder what the 13th one will be called? I mean, there isn't a 13th sign, right?
There are 13 full moons in a calendar year, my brain is feebly offering that I heard (or dreamed) in a world religions class in college that there were 13 zodiac signs at one point, but that more modern calendar systems edged them out because there were fewer months.
I sense some online goofery competing with work this afternoon...