god, I remember we'd use fucking invisibility pots just to avoid fighting those.
We had killed them by kiting one down to maiden, but then we were like screw this, let's just skip them.
the fun thing about those is, if you get ice tombed, only the one that actually ice tombed you will de-aggro from you, the other one will happily continue to beat on you.
basically means that as long as the first one only gets time to get off one or none of the ice tombs before it dies, you can solo-tank them both.
One other thing: When the dudes on the way to opera bring out the spotlights, have your tank move them out asap. It makes them hit even harder (they already hit fairly hard), a thing that your dps can take advantage of. When I'm tanking I like to drag a spotlight over to the casters every now and again to show them some love too.
FINALLY saw Solarian tonight. It is laughable to me that anyone could ever blow up the raid with solarian alarm on. Your fucking screen turns BLUE. How can you not register "oh shit, something is wrong, I should do something to remedy this"
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
Considering it's the only debuff in the fight I can't see how anyone can miss it even with the default UI, even if you spot it late you still have ages to run away too.
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
People are special.
Its all smoke and mirrors, only half the people on the servers are real. The rest of them are just a bunch of those bobbing water birds strategically placed on keyboards by blizzard to give the illusion of a server population.
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
People are special.
Its all smoke and mirrors, only half the people on the servers are real. The rest of them are just a bunch of those bobbing water birds strategically placed on keyboards by blizzard to give the illusion of a server population.
It's easy to tell who is who though.
The water-birds type better.
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
People are special.
Its all smoke and mirrors, only half the people on the servers are real. The rest of them are just a bunch of those bobbing water birds strategically placed on keyboards by blizzard to give the illusion of a server population.
It's easy to tell who is who though.
The water-birds type better.
FINALLY saw Solarian tonight. It is laughable to me that anyone could ever blow up the raid with solarian alarm on. Your fucking screen turns BLUE. How can you not register "oh shit, something is wrong, I should do something to remedy this"
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
This I have learned after years of raiding: Installing addons is REALLY HARD for some people.
On our last attempt, I died on the second wave of AOE cause I started too early (I know I know, stupid warlock, I apologize. I did the same thing everytime, but that time apparently the seeds went off early and I got agro), so I got to watch everything unfold.
I watched a healer run after the guy with the debuff and die because he was in range of the explosion. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
The guy who eventually wiped the raid did not take a single step. There were at least four people yelling at him on vent. He never even apologized in raid chat. And he was a destruction warlock -- of all the dps, I gotta think we're the ones with the LEAST going on in raids. We cast one fucking spell and he couldn't be bothered to watch for a raid-wiping debuff????
Our second night of BT, after doing Naj'entus and Supremus on our first last week, we wipe to "the" pack before Naj'entus like a million times before we kill Naj'entus on the first attempt. We had to drop a bot before the first boss
Our second night of BT, after doing Naj'entus and Supremus on our first last week, we wipe to "the" pack before Naj'entus like a million times before we kill Naj'entus on the first attempt. We had to drop a bot before the first boss
Trash before Naj is way harder than he is. We've cleared up to bloodboil and still wipe on that trash.
Just have to learn how to do it perfectly. Get the generals out of LoS of the sheeps.
Annoying stealthing mobs at the top of every ramp - guaranteed to be face pulled at least once every run.
I don't get it with my guild; sometimes it's 10 people who just walk the instance; one shot everything, and barely any deaths, but other times, it can be incredibly sloppy. Went on a kaz run, and brought along an alt of a guy who was a hardcore raider, who played up until brut, but quit due to raider burnout. He knows how to play (he regularly out dps's people better equipped), but he ran up the ramps and facepulled these groups twice.
I only came into this kara run just after the curator was done, and with the way some were dealing with trash, I didn't have high hopes for Illhoof and the Shade, as it didn't seem people were concentrating; could not have been proven more wrong, as both were killed cleanly (apart from this one warlock, who always manages to get herself killed in the first 10 seconds of the shade fight).
Back in the day in BWL, one time some dumbass Hunter (It was always a hunter for some reason) accidentally hit autoshot and engaged vael as half the people were still zoning in.
I was one of those lucky ones who was still behind the gate when vael was engaged. I thought it would be funny to start dancing and laughing at those who were stuck inside and were futily running for the closed gate.
Apparently, Vael can breath fire through the gate...
Everyone on vent got a great laugh when my gloating and laughing turned into screams of agony, pain and death.
While I'm going through my photobucket. Bosses can be pulled through walls, apparantly, too!
Man thats an old one, with the asshats who didn't invite me to the guild first Nef kill. Douchebags.
FINALLY saw Solarian tonight. It is laughable to me that anyone could ever blow up the raid with solarian alarm on. Your fucking screen turns BLUE. How can you not register "oh shit, something is wrong, I should do something to remedy this"
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
It can get confusing on where to run because people are everywhere. One of our tanks once got it while the casters were summoned, all us Rogues were packed around one caster, kicking, while the rest of the raid DPS'd down another. The damn guy ran right to the other caster we were kicking.
FINALLY saw Solarian tonight. It is laughable to me that anyone could ever blow up the raid with solarian alarm on. Your fucking screen turns BLUE. How can you not register "oh shit, something is wrong, I should do something to remedy this"
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
It can get confusing on where to run because people are everywhere. One of our tanks once got it while the casters were summoned, all us Rogues were packed around one caster, kicking, while the rest of the raid DPS'd down another. The damn guy ran right to the other caster we were kicking.
It did not end well.
is running out of the circle hard? surely you aren't tanking things that far back.
that room is huge, no reason to walk towards other people.
wave, that is understandable -- I can see it going poorly in that instance. If melee/tanks get targetted, there needs to be some coordination to make sure they don't run to other melee/tanks.
but we were all standing together behind the pally tank at the edge of the circle fighting only Solarian and a destruction warlock got the debuff. Didn't move an inch. Stood there defiantly casting shadow bolts to the end. Maybe he thought he'd get a uber-crit-of-ultimate-destiny and take Solarian from 50% to 0% before he asploded, I don't know.
I pretty much know the answer to this but what do you BT/sunwelly people think;
Should our raid get a prot paladin? I know a few of the paladins here are prot and in BT and sunwell, what are the honest advantages and disadvantages of taking you over a prot warrior offtank?
also for those that aren't paladins what do you use in your raid for a tank setup?
I ask because we have two prot warriors and no prot paladin, we like both prot warriors as they have been with us for a while.
I have a 70 prot paladin in pre-kara blues and a couple kara pieces I have gotten.
I also have a fury warrior in almost entirely best-in-slot pre-sunwell gear.
I want to make a case to my raid leader to let me switch mains to my paladin and drag me through some hyjal/bt farm content maybe as holy, building a t6 tank set, and let the offtank warrior respec DPS full time. How can I go about doing this?
Felmyst basically says without a prot pally you are screwed.
but do you have a prot paladin full time? Do you have a paladin tanking kalecgos and brutallus? What about multitank fights in BT like Bloodboil/Mother/Council?
I want to make a case to my raid leader to let me switch mains to my paladin and drag me through some hyjal/bt farm content maybe as holy, building a t6 tank set, and let the offtank warrior respec DPS full time. How can I go about doing this?
You can get a good enough set of gear from 10-mans and badge vendors to be able to be useful in Hyjal as prot, probably not bosses in BT but on trash for sure too. No real need to waste time as holy to loot sponge...
There are few things where a prot paladin is "required" but it makes a lot of things faster/easier, Hyjal trash, Shahraz trash, etc. Ours has tanked pretty much everything except Azgalor and Archimonde when the warrior MT wasn't around, tanked Brutallus, always first tank on Kalecgos... It's not that he's better or worse, all three tanks are capable and they have different advantages (paladin adding an extra blessing and superior AoE tanking, druid LotP and debuffs, etc.) so it's good to have a variety of tank options.
Really quick I'd just like to thank everyone for all their advice on the Kara question! It all really helped and we did pretty damn well, we got past Opera (Oz) and called it a night. No Edgewalker, but our mt got his watch
Really quick I'd just like to thank everyone for all their advice on the Kara question! It all really helped and we did pretty damn well, we got past Opera (Oz) and called it a night. No Edgewalker, but our mt got his watch
Thank you again to everyone to helped!
Glad to hear it, moroes is a pretty big gear check as well as an idiot check so if you got past him you will likely do well for the rest of the instance. You need to juggle CC, two tanks need to keep aggro as DPS races to kill the adds and boss before everyone dies to garrote.
Felmyst basically says without a prot pally you are screwed.
but do you have a prot paladin full time? Do you have a paladin tanking kalecgos and brutallus? What about multitank fights in BT like Bloodboil/Mother/Council?
Paladins are ridiculously amazing at multi-target tanking and generally viable for everything else. A paladin tank in Hyjal makes the waves ridiculously easy. Sunwell requires a paladin tank for Brutallus and M'uru.
You need a paladin tank. The problem is, you don't ALWAYS need a paladin tank. It might be best to just gear up a holy paladin and have him respec for certain situations.
Anyway, on topic of Paladin tanks, ours has successfully tanked pretty much everything in Hyjal/BT. (Including Kaz'Rogal that time, oopsie @ MT d/c.) I want to say the only things he hasn't done are Archimonde, P2 Reliquary (no spell reflect), and MT on Illidan (He's an FR tank). He was also one of our MT's last night on Kalcegos, although we did end up replacing him as his connection kept dropping out. (There was no problem with him other than that)
Overall Pally tanks are fine at most everything you throw them at.
The only problem with a full time paladin tank is that you probably have a prot warrior too, which means that you wind up basically 24 manning a lot of boss fights.
We have a prot/red paladin who switches back and forth depending on circumstances. There are a lot of places where a prot paladin is awesome, but some places where having two prot tanks isn't optimal.
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There's only a few fights where our prot paladin has nothing useful to do... The druids fall back to kitty gear when they're not needed, the paladin either heals (Archimonde, mostly healing other healers who have Doomfire while they heal the MT) or focuses on cleansing (Gorefiend) when there's nothing extra to be tanked. But fights where there's only one required tank are so rare.
If it's most of the raid's first time, get as close to the numbers as you can.
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Subject of paladin tanks:
If you've been doing Hyjal all this time without one, and you suddenly take one in there, its going to completely rework the way you do the trash and may or may not prove easier.
As others said, you do need a prot paladin for many things, but there isn't really a case to be made to specifically go and get a full time one unless he's prot and has been from the beginning. I will never be one of those people who is only Prot in the situations where I absolutely must be Prot because the fight requires it. I am a tank, first and foremost. If the fight doesn't require that many tanks, and I don't need anything off the boss, I'll switch to my priest to heal, or to my mage to DPS, or I'll sit out and let a main-spec raider come in. If I DO need something off the boss, we'll figure a way to fit me in.
For example, on Gorefiend, we rocked up with all our four tanks (two ferals, prot warrior, and me). Rather than having me put on healing gear and spend the entire night overhealing from other healers (we brought 7), we had the Prot warrior throw on his full DPS suit and swing away. He's got both badge fist weapons and 3/5 T5 DPS gear, so its not a terrible gearset by any stretch of the imagination. I have a very decent healing set (1700-1800+heals), but, especially on a DPS race, you can never have too much DPS, and there is such a thing as too much healing for most fights I've done so far.
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the fun thing about those is, if you get ice tombed, only the one that actually ice tombed you will de-aggro from you, the other one will happily continue to beat on you.
basically means that as long as the first one only gets time to get off one or none of the ice tombs before it dies, you can solo-tank them both.
It gets lonely up in that tower.
Fixed.
"Dude... you ever think we're, like... not real?"
*rawr*
With that said, we wiped every time cause some asshat blew up the raid.
People are special.
Its all smoke and mirrors, only half the people on the servers are real. The rest of them are just a bunch of those bobbing water birds strategically placed on keyboards by blizzard to give the illusion of a server population.
The water-birds type better.
And cause less drama.
This I have learned after years of raiding: Installing addons is REALLY HARD for some people.
I watched a healer run after the guy with the debuff and die because he was in range of the explosion. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry.
The guy who eventually wiped the raid did not take a single step. There were at least four people yelling at him on vent. He never even apologized in raid chat. And he was a destruction warlock -- of all the dps, I gotta think we're the ones with the LEAST going on in raids. We cast one fucking spell and he couldn't be bothered to watch for a raid-wiping debuff????
Trash before Naj is way harder than he is. We've cleared up to bloodboil and still wipe on that trash.
Just have to learn how to do it perfectly. Get the generals out of LoS of the sheeps.
I don't get it with my guild; sometimes it's 10 people who just walk the instance; one shot everything, and barely any deaths, but other times, it can be incredibly sloppy. Went on a kaz run, and brought along an alt of a guy who was a hardcore raider, who played up until brut, but quit due to raider burnout. He knows how to play (he regularly out dps's people better equipped), but he ran up the ramps and facepulled these groups twice.
I only came into this kara run just after the curator was done, and with the way some were dealing with trash, I didn't have high hopes for Illhoof and the Shade, as it didn't seem people were concentrating; could not have been proven more wrong, as both were killed cleanly (apart from this one warlock, who always manages to get herself killed in the first 10 seconds of the shade fight).
While I'm going through my photobucket. Bosses can be pulled through walls, apparantly, too!
Man thats an old one, with the asshats who didn't invite me to the guild first Nef kill. Douchebags.
It can get confusing on where to run because people are everywhere. One of our tanks once got it while the casters were summoned, all us Rogues were packed around one caster, kicking, while the rest of the raid DPS'd down another. The damn guy ran right to the other caster we were kicking.
It did not end well.
is running out of the circle hard? surely you aren't tanking things that far back.
that room is huge, no reason to walk towards other people.
but we were all standing together behind the pally tank at the edge of the circle fighting only Solarian and a destruction warlock got the debuff. Didn't move an inch. Stood there defiantly casting shadow bolts to the end. Maybe he thought he'd get a uber-crit-of-ultimate-destiny and take Solarian from 50% to 0% before he asploded, I don't know.
Should our raid get a prot paladin? I know a few of the paladins here are prot and in BT and sunwell, what are the honest advantages and disadvantages of taking you over a prot warrior offtank?
also for those that aren't paladins what do you use in your raid for a tank setup?
I ask because we have two prot warriors and no prot paladin, we like both prot warriors as they have been with us for a while.
I have a 70 prot paladin in pre-kara blues and a couple kara pieces I have gotten.
I also have a fury warrior in almost entirely best-in-slot pre-sunwell gear.
I want to make a case to my raid leader to let me switch mains to my paladin and drag me through some hyjal/bt farm content maybe as holy, building a t6 tank set, and let the offtank warrior respec DPS full time. How can I go about doing this?
but do you have a prot paladin full time? Do you have a paladin tanking kalecgos and brutallus? What about multitank fights in BT like Bloodboil/Mother/Council?
You can get a good enough set of gear from 10-mans and badge vendors to be able to be useful in Hyjal as prot, probably not bosses in BT but on trash for sure too. No real need to waste time as holy to loot sponge...
There are few things where a prot paladin is "required" but it makes a lot of things faster/easier, Hyjal trash, Shahraz trash, etc. Ours has tanked pretty much everything except Azgalor and Archimonde when the warrior MT wasn't around, tanked Brutallus, always first tank on Kalecgos... It's not that he's better or worse, all three tanks are capable and they have different advantages (paladin adding an extra blessing and superior AoE tanking, druid LotP and debuffs, etc.) so it's good to have a variety of tank options.
Thank you again to everyone to helped!
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Glad to hear it, moroes is a pretty big gear check as well as an idiot check so if you got past him you will likely do well for the rest of the instance. You need to juggle CC, two tanks need to keep aggro as DPS races to kill the adds and boss before everyone dies to garrote.
Paladins are ridiculously amazing at multi-target tanking and generally viable for everything else. A paladin tank in Hyjal makes the waves ridiculously easy. Sunwell requires a paladin tank for Brutallus and M'uru.
You need a paladin tank. The problem is, you don't ALWAYS need a paladin tank. It might be best to just gear up a holy paladin and have him respec for certain situations.
Anyway, on topic of Paladin tanks, ours has successfully tanked pretty much everything in Hyjal/BT. (Including Kaz'Rogal that time, oopsie @ MT d/c.) I want to say the only things he hasn't done are Archimonde, P2 Reliquary (no spell reflect), and MT on Illidan (He's an FR tank). He was also one of our MT's last night on Kalcegos, although we did end up replacing him as his connection kept dropping out. (There was no problem with him other than that)
Overall Pally tanks are fine at most everything you throw them at.
We have a prot/red paladin who switches back and forth depending on circumstances. There are a lot of places where a prot paladin is awesome, but some places where having two prot tanks isn't optimal.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
If you've been doing Hyjal all this time without one, and you suddenly take one in there, its going to completely rework the way you do the trash and may or may not prove easier.
As others said, you do need a prot paladin for many things, but there isn't really a case to be made to specifically go and get a full time one unless he's prot and has been from the beginning. I will never be one of those people who is only Prot in the situations where I absolutely must be Prot because the fight requires it. I am a tank, first and foremost. If the fight doesn't require that many tanks, and I don't need anything off the boss, I'll switch to my priest to heal, or to my mage to DPS, or I'll sit out and let a main-spec raider come in. If I DO need something off the boss, we'll figure a way to fit me in.
For example, on Gorefiend, we rocked up with all our four tanks (two ferals, prot warrior, and me). Rather than having me put on healing gear and spend the entire night overhealing from other healers (we brought 7), we had the Prot warrior throw on his full DPS suit and swing away. He's got both badge fist weapons and 3/5 T5 DPS gear, so its not a terrible gearset by any stretch of the imagination. I have a very decent healing set (1700-1800+heals), but, especially on a DPS race, you can never have too much DPS, and there is such a thing as too much healing for most fights I've done so far.