We cleared about 7/9 BT last night in 3 hours, with a few new people who had never been there. (Love recruiting for Wrath lol), this normally takes us two nights.
Fuck all this new raid shit. I hit up MC on Wednesday, Ony and ZG last night, and I'm thinkin' BWL or one of the AQs tonight.
Prot Warriors are so damn hot, I love it. My Shadow Priest feels uselss now though, and he's the one with the epic flyer. Maybe I'll go back to healbotting in WotLK.
If your a decent healer you should always be able to raid if you so desire. I know as a GM of a Raid Guild I always seem to be recruiting 1 or 2 healers.
Nah this is how I've been referring to things post-3.0 30% HP nerf. 3.x ZA is the nonheroic version of 2.x ZA. :rotate:
Hah, I see now. Fair enough. In that case, nonheroic Kara is an absolute joke at best. We didn't have one boss last longer than one minute last night. Well, other than Nightbane, since he flies around like an ass. We killed Aran in 41 seconds, Illhoof in 38, Moroes in 1 minute, etc, etc. Netherspite died before the first portal phase ended.
We did AQ40 to get a bunch of people c'thun achievements, and we killed whatever the slime boss is before he even froze/released globules. Same thing; the globule phase started, and he immediately died.
HH will do it, too; you can burst the skull way below 66 percent in one phase, but he's going to seperate three times no matter how hard you hit it.
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
We did AQ40 to get a bunch of people c'thun achievements, and we killed whatever the slime boss is before he even froze/released globules. Same thing; the globule phase started, and he immediately died.
HH will do it, too; you can burst the skull way below 66 percent in one phase, but he's going to seperate three times no matter how hard you hit it.
I was going to see it seems a bit silly to do Viscidus, but then I remembered he drops that leet-ass trinket.
We did AQ40 to get a bunch of people c'thun achievements, and we killed whatever the slime boss is before he even froze/released globules. Same thing; the globule phase started, and he immediately died.
HH will do it, too; you can burst the skull way below 66 percent in one phase, but he's going to seperate three times no matter how hard you hit it.
I was going to see it seems a bit silly to do Viscidus, but then I remembered he drops that leet-ass trinket.
I joined a raid with about 30 70's for AQ40 when the raid leader up and decided we wouldn't be able to kill C'thun and changed it to BWL which I wasn't attuned for. bleh
That's a misconception: there was no attunement for anything besides Naxx and Ony in Vanilla WoW. BWL and MC were enterable by anyone, their entrances were just inside a dungeon instead of facing outside. With the summoning change, anyone can get into BWL as long as a lock and two others can get in.
You definitely did have to get attuned for BWL. There was a quest that ended by touching an orb behind General Drakkisath in UBRS. Then you were attuned to use the orb that was up the hallway next to the entrance to UBRS. There was no other way in.
You definitely did have to get attuned for BWL. There was a quest that ended by touching an orb behind General Drakkisath in UBRS. Then you were attuned to use the orb that was up the hallway next to the entrance to UBRS. There was no other way in.
Actually there is an entrance inside of BRS, there's the room past the gate after the rend fight, then a ramp up to another room, right from the ramp is to The Beast and left is to BWL.
The best attunement is bosses that fuck people who don't have the equip over in a matter of seconds
That way you can revisit the dungeon with your geared out twinks from farm-runs later, if you want, for fun
I joined a BWL run tonight. It was with this guild whose leader was all "We like doing the old world instances because they're so much more difficult than the 70 burning crusade stuff that you just brute force. All the old world ones take so much strategy to be successful."
What sorts of difficult to execute strategies, you ask? MOVING OUT OF LINE OF SIGHT OF FIREMAW. WHY ARE YOU TARDS ALL COMPLAINING IN VENT HOW HARD TO DROP THE DEBUFF IS, YOU'RE ALL SO TERRIBLE WHY AM I HERE
Pre-naxx the only relatively difficult fights execution-wise were Vael (pre-threat meters) and C'thun. Beyond that most of the stuff was tank and spank with a minor gimmick here and there.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
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Sure, you can brute-force most of BC raid content if you overgear it.
I can't think of a single BT or Hyjal fight that can be brute-forced when you are at a progression level of gear. Even Rage Winterchill can kill you if people don't bring pvp trinkets and healers don't react quickly.
In fact, that applies to TK and SSC as well. Hell, all BC 25man content, every single fight has some form of strategy to it.
Just because you know the strategy so well by now that it SEEMS like you;re just bruteforcing it doesn't change the fact that the strategy is there.
I can tell you from tonight that bruteforcing RoS and Mother doesn't work: you need to do what you're supposed to do to beat them. Basically you brute force the trash, but you can do that even easier with Vanilla raids.
No, I've done all of the BC raids with the exception of sunwell, I think he's an idiot with a shitty guild that can't get itself together but flail around the 60 instances. I'm still absolutely baffled as to how they thought they were super leet for fucking up FIREMAW and trying to justify it by saying that you can't just bruteforce pre-BC encounters at 70.
Yeah, like everyone else and their mothers, we did AQ40 tonight. I actually came in late, and only did bosses I had never gotten to before, having never killed anything beyond huhu.
Wow, people can be dense. BIG FREAKIN BEAM IS BAD. We ended up killing C'Thun, but it took a few tries...
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
I can tell you from tonight that bruteforcing RoS and Mother doesn't work: you need to do what you're supposed to do to beat them. Basically you brute force the trash, but you can do that even easier with Vanilla raids.
Actually you can completely bruteforce RoS
We had our warrior tank RoS p1. Didn't get to Enrage, no problems. Of course you do still have to do the strat of letting him be in proximity first.
P2 you don't need to interrupt anything, we just had me, Aldarez (paladin) and our warrior go all out on threat. Everytime she spiritshocked, one of us would be next on aggro.
No, I've done all of the BC raids with the exception of sunwell, I think he's an idiot with a shitty guild that can't get itself together but flail around the 60 instances. I'm still absolutely baffled as to how they thought they were super leet for fucking up FIREMAW and trying to justify it by saying that you can't just bruteforce pre-BC encounters at 70.
The funny thing is you could brute force MC/BWL at 60, easily, if you can't do them at 70 then well... you're really, really, really super bad. (I don't mean you personally, of course, but this guy's guild)
PROTIP: step out of the glowy thing of death emerging out of the ground.
Heh, man, last night we killed Headless Horseman so many times in a row that SM GY was littered with flaming corpses, and I kept struggling to avoid standing in them as if it was a raid or something.
I can tell you from tonight that bruteforcing RoS and Mother doesn't work: you need to do what you're supposed to do to beat them. Basically you brute force the trash, but you can do that even easier with Vanilla raids.
On that note, another pro tip: Kil'Jaeden cannot just be zerged down. At least not with our gear, at level 70. I don't know what people in my raid were thinking, I guess that 30% less HP on the end boss of all of BC meant we could just waltz in there and ignore all of his abilities and one-shot him. And he has a lot of abilities. Between people not paying any attention and the 1000+ ping ability he was given in 3.0, we had a hell of a time. It upset me because I really thought we could kill him in a few hours. We probably could have if people did what they were supposed to do, but alas. Would have been nice to get the server first, even if it was post-nerf, but there's no way our Alliance rival won't kill him tonight.
Well, did 3 speed runs of ZA in as many days, and yeah, even though it takes a lot faster, you still got to follow "the plan", or you're gonna wipe. Brute force seems to imply simply zerging down the bosses, not paying any attention to thier abilities, and letting the healers keep you up.
But with ZA at least, the abilities will still kill you if you don't use "the plan" to avoid them.
Course, raiding these days seems to be dependent on the raid mod telling everyone to "run here", or "run there", or "watch out for the fire".
@Fodder: thats what you get for not coming with FE the night before and doing AQ and BWL in like 20 minutes combined. Also, you would have heard the excellent C'Thun strategy of "Let Theran run in there alone."
Also, the Razorgore adds continually respawning even after the fight ends is fun times. I wanted to do the whole instance with infinite numbers of dragons and orcs attacking, but the raid pussed out.
I think we managed to get to Phase 3 Nef when he did the first class call (Warlock, thus making all the paladins touch themselves and hit holy wrath).
We did AQ20 in less than 20 minutes last night. We did almost every fight wrong. We pulled the giant earwig while there was still trash in the area, we strait DPSed Buru popping only one egg (and he wasn't even near it), neglected to mana drain Moam, and brought Ossirian to a grand total of one obelisk. Needless to say drunken fun was had by all. I'm think about two or three manning Ony on Tuesday again and then hoofing it over to BWL.
NOTE: I don't think Vael is possible with less than 10 people right now. The fight is designed to kill people, there's no avoiding it. With too few people there's no way to kill him. Also, AQ40 is still a bitch.
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I figured this was a way to say 'non-timed' run.
We cleared about 7/9 BT last night in 3 hours, with a few new people who had never been there. (Love recruiting for Wrath lol), this normally takes us two nights.
Prot Warriors are so damn hot, I love it. My Shadow Priest feels uselss now though, and he's the one with the epic flyer. Maybe I'll go back to healbotting in WotLK.
SWP has broken guilds. And not just one or two bosses. SWP in general.
It was the pinnicle of raid composition, corrdinations, and healing in WoW well...ever, really.
First Blood 85 Priest 80 Mage 85 Paladin 83 Druid 80 DK 85 Huntard 85 Shaman
"Tardo Wan" sounds like a Jedi that required 436 years to train and then killed himself by looking into his lightsaber while turning it on."
Nah this is how I've been referring to things post-3.0 30% HP nerf. 3.x ZA is the nonheroic version of 2.x ZA. :rotate:
Hah, I see now. Fair enough. In that case, nonheroic Kara is an absolute joke at best. We didn't have one boss last longer than one minute last night. Well, other than Nightbane, since he flies around like an ass. We killed Aran in 41 seconds, Illhoof in 38, Moroes in 1 minute, etc, etc. Netherspite died before the first portal phase ended.
Hah. Does he at least fly down to deposit loot?
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Oh, ok. We stopped DPS to let him land just in case but I guess Blizzard has had to deal with this before.
HH will do it, too; you can burst the skull way below 66 percent in one phase, but he's going to seperate three times no matter how hard you hit it.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I was going to see it seems a bit silly to do Viscidus, but then I remembered he drops that leet-ass trinket.
Said trinket dropped.
Actually there is an entrance inside of BRS, there's the room past the gate after the rend fight, then a ramp up to another room, right from the ramp is to The Beast and left is to BWL.
That way you can revisit the dungeon with your geared out twinks from farm-runs later, if you want, for fun
What sorts of difficult to execute strategies, you ask? MOVING OUT OF LINE OF SIGHT OF FIREMAW. WHY ARE YOU TARDS ALL COMPLAINING IN VENT HOW HARD TO DROP THE DEBUFF IS, YOU'RE ALL SO TERRIBLE WHY AM I HERE
I can't think of a single BT or Hyjal fight that can be brute-forced when you are at a progression level of gear. Even Rage Winterchill can kill you if people don't bring pvp trinkets and healers don't react quickly.
In fact, that applies to TK and SSC as well. Hell, all BC 25man content, every single fight has some form of strategy to it.
Just because you know the strategy so well by now that it SEEMS like you;re just bruteforcing it doesn't change the fact that the strategy is there.
tl;dr that guy is wrong
Wow, people can be dense. BIG FREAKIN BEAM IS BAD. We ended up killing C'Thun, but it took a few tries...
Actually you can completely bruteforce RoS
We had our warrior tank RoS p1. Didn't get to Enrage, no problems. Of course you do still have to do the strat of letting him be in proximity first.
P2 you don't need to interrupt anything, we just had me, Aldarez (paladin) and our warrior go all out on threat. Everytime she spiritshocked, one of us would be next on aggro.
P3 lasted all of 30 seconds.
The funny thing is you could brute force MC/BWL at 60, easily, if you can't do them at 70 then well... you're really, really, really super bad. (I don't mean you personally, of course, but this guy's guild)
Heh, man, last night we killed Headless Horseman so many times in a row that SM GY was littered with flaming corpses, and I kept struggling to avoid standing in them as if it was a raid or something.
On that note, another pro tip: Kil'Jaeden cannot just be zerged down. At least not with our gear, at level 70. I don't know what people in my raid were thinking, I guess that 30% less HP on the end boss of all of BC meant we could just waltz in there and ignore all of his abilities and one-shot him. And he has a lot of abilities. Between people not paying any attention and the 1000+ ping ability he was given in 3.0, we had a hell of a time. It upset me because I really thought we could kill him in a few hours. We probably could have if people did what they were supposed to do, but alas. Would have been nice to get the server first, even if it was post-nerf, but there's no way our Alliance rival won't kill him tonight.
But with ZA at least, the abilities will still kill you if you don't use "the plan" to avoid them.
Course, raiding these days seems to be dependent on the raid mod telling everyone to "run here", or "run there", or "watch out for the fire".
Also, the Razorgore adds continually respawning even after the fight ends is fun times. I wanted to do the whole instance with infinite numbers of dragons and orcs attacking, but the raid pussed out.
I think we managed to get to Phase 3 Nef when he did the first class call (Warlock, thus making all the paladins touch themselves and hit holy wrath).
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
NOTE: I don't think Vael is possible with less than 10 people right now. The fight is designed to kill people, there's no avoiding it. With too few people there's no way to kill him. Also, AQ40 is still a bitch.