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MADD teams up with the Pigs and Public School to manipulate children.
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An interesting demonstration on the perils of Drunk Driving, sponsored by MADD and the police state.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080530-9999-lz1mc30brush.html
The gist: A cop announces to a classroom full of students that their classmate was killed in a drunk driving accident. The catch? Just kidding!! They didn't really die, but if we hadn't played this prank on you then you wouldn't have payed attention to the perils of drunk driving now would you?
Some highlights:
Yeah lying and emotional torment is fucking awesome as long as it's "for your own good".
Yeah that's all you can do I guess. Either incarcerate your children, terrorize them or just let them die. Brilliant.
So are there more appropriate or effective ways to educate people about how drunk driving is bad or is this the best we can come up with as a society?
Discuss.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080530-9999-lz1mc30brush.html
The gist: A cop announces to a classroom full of students that their classmate was killed in a drunk driving accident. The catch? Just kidding!! They didn't really die, but if we hadn't played this prank on you then you wouldn't have payed attention to the perils of drunk driving now would you?
Some highlights:
Many juniors and seniors were driven to tears – a few to near hysterics – May 26 when a uniformed police officer arrived in several classrooms to notify them that a fellow student had been killed in a drunken-driving accident.
Though the deception left some teens temporarily confused and angry, if it makes even one student think twice before getting behind the wheel of a car while intoxicated, it is worth the price, said California Highway Patrol Officer Eric Newbury, who orchestrates the program at local high schools.
“When someone says to me, 'Oh, my God, you're traumatizing my children,' I'm telling them, 'No, what I'm doing is waking them up,' †said Newbury, whose father was killed by a drunken driver.
Yeah lying and emotional torment is fucking awesome as long as it's "for your own good".
“If you don't do your job as a parent ... the only thing I can do is either arrest them and take them to jail or scrape them off the ground and tell you, 'I'm so sorry.' â€
Yeah that's all you can do I guess. Either incarcerate your children, terrorize them or just let them die. Brilliant.
So are there more appropriate or effective ways to educate people about how drunk driving is bad or is this the best we can come up with as a society?
Discuss.
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I remember the first kid from my grad class who died during high school. Our class were juniors at the time and he was killed in a car accident. Once they told the students what happened, practically everyone was freaking out, it was horrible. Needless to say, if we had been told "LOL JK we were just trying to keep you from drinking and driving", well, things would not have gone well from there.
Do something like that, but holy fuck pranks like that are not necessary.
When did they decide that tricks and condescension were the best ways to educate teens anyway?
Seems to me that what you describe, an honest talk, is the best way to do this. How could anything else work better?
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In the 70s, I think. I mean, there's always been a struggle between adults and minors, but I think it really kicked up a notch after all the Vietnam hubbub.
Its very possible to get the emotional pull of the realities of drunk driving without scaring the crap out of everyone.
I remember watching something where some kids went to a mock autopsy and mock funeral of themselves after a theoretical car crash.
Everyone in this situation seems to have far too high of an opinion of themselves.
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Or, you know, set up designated drivers, like adults do.
When D.A.R.E. won the War on Drugsâ„¢.
This excerpt is from a 1997 comedy series, Brass Eye. It tackles means of educating children on drug abuse through scare tactics that were seriously considered over ten years ago, and thankfully repealed. Jump to 5:49 for the start of the section that's hilariously appropriate.
Brass Eye: Drugs
In my experience, reality makes this difficult.
Exactly. The lack of acceptance / tolerance only makes the issue worse. That doesn't mean that letting 16 years old get tanked in your basement is a great idea either but it's worth considering if you want to ensure they won't go operate heavy machinery the same day.
Also when you're dealing with seriously dysfunctional drunks, they are going to drive drunk or not drive drunk and no amount of emotional scarring or education with statistics is going to "fix" that behavior. They don't approach that stuff in a rational way.
What is it about cops and that particular train of logic? I think it comes from a fundamental lack of respect for non-police.
My command had mandatory training after a stupid nub got pulled over for DUI two months ago. This training consisted of city and county police forcing us to view horrific fatality pictures from local vehicle accidents (some of which were not even alcohol related) for two hours while berating us about drunk driving. Highlights include the guy who was cut in half by his lap belt (80 mph collision, yes, I said cut in half) and it was explained to us that he did not die right away.
The cops kept repeating the line of "Oh we know this is bad stuff but if it keeps you from driving drunk..."
Well guess what you blue-clad son of a bitch and highway patrol whore, I don't drink so fuck off and die forever. I hope they get cancer. No, I take that back. I hope they get killed by drunk drivers.
Holy fucking shit.
I had this actually happen to me in 2000. That was a fun day. link
Anyway worst case scenario if your a drunk minor with no way home, just call the cops and have them take you home. Sounds crazy, but it works.
It would depend on the cop, but that sounds like a really good way to cost yourself $500 because you get slammed with a minor consumption.
I think our DARE officer actually resigned after it turned out he was an alchaholic.
Yeah, why wouldn't you just call a cab?
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They're a group on par with PETA or the Westboro Baptist Church; they have no business being given school sanction for anything.
They have an cloak of legitimacy woven from strands of memories of dead children that obfuscates the fact that they are crazy assholes.
Depending on how things go you might get off with a warning. This is also the worst case scenario. Better a ticket than a DUI conviction. You could also call a cab, but depending on area, and time of night, it might be a while. Of course if you can not afford a cab, your stuck hoping your parents have the cash on hand for it.
Because . . you live in an area without cabs.
I'm torn because while I approve of this example of "teaching" racism, I don't approve of what MADD is doing. I think it's solely because our class learned of the death of one of our classmates in school and everyone was completely distraught. Are the two levels of distress even remotely comparable?
Sounds like MADD needs to have their walls smeared...
with poop.
An equivalent to the MADD thing would be a cop coming in saying one of their classmates died in a hate crime, then saying that it was all a joke and leaving with "don't be racist now!"
Its the whole "your classmate is dead" thing that makes this terrible.
All kids are drugs and both kids of drugs...put together...are kids...
WHAT.
Also, these programs needs the one-armed man from Arrested Development.
That one's harder to pull off - since the MADD argument is "Anyone can become a killer - just add a drop of alcohol! You could be murdering TOMORROW!" For someone to die from a hate crime they'd have to be different in some way, and part of your audience is going to go "That's terrible, i liked him," and the other part will go "Good, damn fags/n*****s/whatevers should all die."
I actually avoided having to sit through DARE; it was switched from 6th grade to 5th the year I started 6th.
Whoever came up with this idea and all the people who thought it was a good one are horrible people. There is never a situation where it's okay to lie to someone that one of their friends has died.
God, MADD and their ilk are bad enough to drive a man to drink.
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Sure, MADD is apparently full of assholes. But they lead to me watching this episode online, since I apparently missed it the first time around. So good for them. The ends do justify the means.
Oh man, that's really interesting stuff. The adult version of it was really telling. All the blue eyed stuff was just so dumb but if you've got people playing along, it becomes so real.