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So, this question is about body hair and it's removal, maintenance, and how people go about it and how they feel about the whole mess.
So, what do you do to manage it (if anything), how, what parts do you manage, and how do you feel about it? That last part is mostly for the ladies but whatever. Basically, I'm a hairy guy. Not quite ape man, but I'm a little self conscious about it. And it's HOT outside kids. So I'm toying with the idea of getting rid of it, and wanted some opinions, anecdotes, options, etc. But mostly, opinions on how short is too short or short enough and where/not to trim. So, let's talk about body hair and how best to get rid of it while not looking ridiculous or inadvertently doing something that will instantly turn off all ladies universally.
I asked about this before...I'm really not too sure if there is a consensus on what is "acceptable" these days for men and body hair. Some women will prefer your body clean and rock-hard, others would laugh at the idea of a man primping for any reason. There's no real rhyme or reason to it, either; some otherwise open-minded, awesome ladies are absolutely turned-off by male body hair, while some otherwise-shallow girls don't care so much or even have a preference for a hairier man.
For the most part, though, you could get rid of any hair on the dorsal / posterior portion of your body with few people lighting a candle in its memory.
As for me, I've tried getting rid of the hair beginning it's conquest of my shoulders and back, but it's a tough job to do yourself, and I love my friends too much to ask them to do something to help. That, and they'd love to hurt me...
Shaving any part of your body is possible, and in the grand scheme of things is probably the easiest, cheapest, and most straightforward. Waxing is not so bad, since the areas that most men would think about waxing are not terribly sensitive. It will last longer than shaving, but if you're like me, it won't last long enough (usually about 7-10 days before hair is growing out again) and you have to wait until the hair grows back out some to do it again. Also, in my case, it leads to some pretty gross folliculitis, which can be prevented with a bit of neosporin (anti-bacterial ointment) applied afterwards. For the record, shaving sometimes gives me folliculitis as well.
Depilatories, in my experience, do indeed smell bad, and are not any better than shaving for results. However, they can be easier to use in hard-to-reach areas, and usually don't cause me any lasting problems.
Ideally, I would find someone who is willing to help you with waxing, either by friendship, relationship, or cold hard cash, since waxing will leave you "touchably smooth" for an extended time. Either that, or if you are Caucasian, go for broke and get laser hair removal.
As a hetero guy, I just trim a bit with scissors until the area starts to not resemble a forest. I'm not sure why a man would want to voluntarily shave off areas if the significant other did not put in any requests. And even then, most women in my experience seem to like a little hair just fine (keyword being little).
Unfortunately, from what I've seen (and paid for my wife to receive), laser hair removal really is going for broke.
As for hair, I'm not hairy enough to have any need to manipulate it beyond simple appearance, and luckily it is only for easy to reach areas (i.e. no back/shoulder hair). I use a Bodygroomer ( http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-BG2020-31-Bodygroom/dp/B000EG8HLE ) and have found it to work very well.
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Murphy's Law: Whatever can go wrong will go wrong.
Murphy's Paradox: The more you plan, the more that can go wrong. The less you plan, the less likely your plan will succeed.
Waxing? What are we, barbarians? In the 21st century anyone who is serious about hair removal will use laser hair removal. It gets rid of the hair forever. Waxing is pointless, the hair just grows back.
What you have to do is find what you like, and then be confident with yourself. If you are grooming to impress women, you will always worry that what you are doing "is not enough." Trim as necessary, be confident, and you will have no problem finding a woman who will accept you, body hair and all.
Laser's not actually permanent. Lasts around five to ten years for most people, last I heard.
Anyway, don't go nuts about it. Stuff like this has been popularised as a way for the 'beauty' industry to make ever more money off the backs of manufactured insecurities. They've finally figured out that men are as manipulable in this respect as women, hence the sudden pressure to not look gorillaish, and the subtle but constant shifting of the definition of 'gorillaish' towards ever balder frontiers.
As long as I can still see skin under the hair, I like guys with body hair. Trimming is nice if I'm going to be sticking my face somewhere, more for the fact that it's gross to have to cough up hair than anything aesthetic.
Waxing? What are we, barbarians? In the 21st century anyone who is serious about hair removal will use laser hair removal. It gets rid of the hair forever. Waxing is pointless, the hair just grows back.
Laser only works on people with brown or black hair. Plenty of us are still stuck with the ancient methods.
Ok papa moose is gonna give you some advice for being a manly man.
First off. Forget what the girls think or what ever else. You need to do what makes you comfortable. If you are not comfortable with your body that is going to be way more unattractive then looking like an ape.
I am a hairy dude as well. For the last 10 years or so I have done everything under the sun from waxing, Nair, shaving, trimming, tweezing and everything in between. And in the past 2 years I have come across a universal truth. It doesnt matter. At the end of the day Its my body and I want it to be comfortable.
So here is some story time.
Avoid WAXING. That shit hurts. the 40 year old virgin is a pretty good approximation of my chest hair. That shit was 3 hours of torture. Never do that to yourself. Plus it only lasts like 3 weeks anyway and then when it grows back it will grow back ingrown and you have red bumps everywhere. It was a bad experience that was expensive and painful. Do not do it.
Nair. Skip it. only works on little patches of hair. If you have a man sweater it will remove like half of it and smell terrible. Also if you have a reaction to it you will be in a world of shit.
Shaving. If you can keep up with it EVERY day. It will look ok but feel shitty. No girls like chest stuble. But if you are gonna be hitting the beach for a weekend and wanna look all buff give it a try. Be warned when it grows back it will itch like hell. For at least a week.
If you are hairy like me you will sweat. Especially in the summer. Those two areas sweat the most on your body because they are the hottest. If you have a jungle of hair down there and sweat. It smells terrible. No girl is gonna want to ever go down on you after a night of dancing if you have a steamy jungle of man juice down there. If you trim down the hair with the smallest guard on that trimmer you will have a soft little patch of hair down there that will not collect sweat and there for not smell.
Also a note on the crotch take the norelco deal over the entire area pretty much if your underwear covers it trim it down to a quarter inch or less. No girl wants a pube up the nose or in the mouth when you are fooling around so do them the same favor you would expect.
AS for your chest hair. Man just let it flow. I have a freaking lions mane of chest hair. I tried everything to tame it but once I just accepted it for what it was it always worked out a lot better. I cant tell you how many times I have had girls tell me they dont like hairy guys and after dating me for 2 weeks totally fall in love with playing with my chest hair. You gotta keep it clean and you gotta smell nice but having something they can run their hands through or grab while fooling around is a gift from god.
Ive also had the opposite experience at clubs especially at the beach when im either not wearing a shirt or i have a button down not buttoned up top where girls see the hair and like it alot. They are like O moose you are so rugged please take me home and pretend to be a lumber jack. /shrug.
So in summation if you are in good physical shape and don't smell bad girls really dont care about your hair even if they say they do. If you have all the other important things in order like being attentive in bed and not being an ass they will give your hair a pass. Or some will revel in it. I brag up my chest hair the first time im a with a chick most have not been with a guy as hairy as me so its fun to tease them about my lions mane. (helps if you are in shape. A flabby chest covered in hair probably wont have the same effect)
As long as I can still see skin under the hair, I like guys with body hair. Trimming is nice if I'm going to be sticking my face somewhere, more for the fact that it's gross to have to cough up hair than anything aesthetic.
agreed
having to pause because it feels like you're flossing, not doing fun stuff, really isn't sexy
speaking purely aesthetically, I do like less hair on the chest. BUT not enough to -ever- suggest that someone go through the bother of getting rid of their hair. Hell, I sometimes think that shaving my legs is too much of a bother, asking someone to shave/wax/whatever their whole body is just silly
but a trim near the nethers is nice.
The only place you should remove hair is your back and possibly your ass but ONLY if its you who finds it uncomfortable. A lot of other people here are right about the self-image manipulation, this notion that men should be hairless is a pile of crap. I trim the hair down below to make it look neat but that's all. Any girl who wants you to look like a nine year old boy should be avoided like a shit covered stick anyway.
There are some other areas that could use shaving, or at least trimming. I need to trim the hair around my junk periodically with a beard trimmer, if not more than just to keep it cleaner and cooler, especially because things get VERY hairy down there. But I don't actually shave, because then it does look prepubescent. And I don't trim that that close, and make sure there is hair, but it's neat and trimmed and clean.
I have a somewhat hairy chest, although it grows in lopsided (more hair growing on the left than the right). But the real problem is the hairy nipples. One time, I was getting into some sexy time with a girl and she decided to bite my nipple. We had to stop for a minute while she was spitting and trying to pick hair out of her teeth. So I'll sometimes take an electric razor to the nipples alone, but not the rest of my chest.
If you pull on your body hair in the shower, you typically remove a great deal of loose hairs so errant pubes or other hairs are less of an issue in general. By pull I mean two fingers, either index & middle or index & thumb, pulling the hair (not unlike pulling on your eyelashes to remove an errant one), not grab a handful of hair and yank.
And yes, if you're clean, the only person who really cares about your body hair will be your girlfriend++. I've got some family friends who are super hairy and yeah, they get shit for it but when it comes down to it there's not much they can do without living in agony.
So, this question is about body hair and it's removal, maintenance, and how people go about it and how they feel about the whole mess.
So, what do you do to manage it (if anything), how, what parts do you manage, and how do you feel about it? That last part is mostly for the ladies but whatever. Basically, I'm a hairy guy. Not quite ape man, but I'm a little self conscious about it. And it's HOT outside kids. So I'm toying with the idea of getting rid of it, and wanted some opinions, anecdotes, options, etc. But mostly, opinions on how short is too short or short enough and where/not to trim. So, let's talk about body hair and how best to get rid of it while not looking ridiculous or inadvertently doing something that will instantly turn off all ladies universally.
If you must get rid of it, wax. Shaving just leads to ingrown hairs, which is a problem that resolves itself eventually if you're waxing regularly.
edit: Except your huevos. Man, don't put hot wax near your huevos.
Personally I use an Epilator, it hurts like hell when you first use it and it will leave some redness/irritation for a day... but it lasts about mmm roughly a week or so. Eventually your body will get used to Epilation and the redness/irritation and pain will fade.
I groom pretty much everywhere. I'm not at all hairy, in fact, I'm just hairy enough that it looks pretty Differently Abled if I just leave it be.
All in all, I'd say I am reasonably metro- my facial hair is neat and well groomed, I use differing layers on light sideburns for face framing, keep a light chin shadow, and a short goatee. I bought a cordless trimmer some time ago, and I generally dont even bother with the different guards any more- just a steady hand.
I keep my chest shaved, but it doesn't stubble, there just isn't enough of it. I have a neatly trimmed treasure trail, no stomach hair, and trimmed bits. I like to keep with a sort of 'arrow' theme actually- it suits me. I dont get back hair- but a look at my grandpa says that's probably coming one day. I don't like to cut too short, and never a razor near the boys- itches. The trimmer is perfect.
I would repeat what has been said above, do what makes you feel comfortable. I like to look entirely well presented in both business and birthday suits.
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As long as I can still see skin under the hair, I like guys with body hair. Trimming is nice if I'm going to be sticking my face somewhere, more for the fact that it's gross to have to cough up hair than anything aesthetic.
agreed
having to pause because it feels like you're flossing, not doing fun stuff, really isn't sexy
speaking purely aesthetically, I do like less hair on the chest. BUT not enough to -ever- suggest that someone go through the bother of getting rid of their hair. Hell, I sometimes think that shaving my legs is too much of a bother, asking someone to shave/wax/whatever their whole body is just silly
but a trim near the nethers is nice.
Third'd. It's hard to count what I find attractive because I'm one of those people that falls for the person first, then delights in the physical features that go into making that person.
On the other hand, I don't like spending my time gagging on the hair stuck in the back of my throat, either. It's nice to trim.
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For the most part, though, you could get rid of any hair on the dorsal / posterior portion of your body with few people lighting a candle in its memory.
As for me, I've tried getting rid of the hair beginning it's conquest of my shoulders and back, but it's a tough job to do yourself, and I love my friends too much to ask them to do something to help. That, and they'd love to hurt me...
Shaving any part of your body is possible, and in the grand scheme of things is probably the easiest, cheapest, and most straightforward. Waxing is not so bad, since the areas that most men would think about waxing are not terribly sensitive. It will last longer than shaving, but if you're like me, it won't last long enough (usually about 7-10 days before hair is growing out again) and you have to wait until the hair grows back out some to do it again. Also, in my case, it leads to some pretty gross folliculitis, which can be prevented with a bit of neosporin (anti-bacterial ointment) applied afterwards. For the record, shaving sometimes gives me folliculitis as well.
Depilatories, in my experience, do indeed smell bad, and are not any better than shaving for results. However, they can be easier to use in hard-to-reach areas, and usually don't cause me any lasting problems.
Ideally, I would find someone who is willing to help you with waxing, either by friendship, relationship, or cold hard cash, since waxing will leave you "touchably smooth" for an extended time. Either that, or if you are Caucasian, go for broke and get laser hair removal.
edit: Whoops, meant "posterior".
As for hair, I'm not hairy enough to have any need to manipulate it beyond simple appearance, and luckily it is only for easy to reach areas (i.e. no back/shoulder hair). I use a Bodygroomer ( http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-BG2020-31-Bodygroom/dp/B000EG8HLE ) and have found it to work very well.
Murphy's Paradox: The more you plan, the more that can go wrong. The less you plan, the less likely your plan will succeed.
Junk:
Use a Number 1 in an electric trimmer like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Wahl-79524-1001-Multi-Cut-Clipper-Trimmer/dp/B000I1S18Y/ref=sr_1_30?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1212376606&sr=8-30
Chest:
Use a Number 2 using the same trimmer. Make sure to take care of the armpits.
Back:
Light hair here for me, but I use
http://www.amazon.com/MANGROOMER-Yourself-Electric-Back-Shaver/dp/B000HQ0L2E/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1212376766&sr=1-1
for those "hard to reach places.
What you have to do is find what you like, and then be confident with yourself. If you are grooming to impress women, you will always worry that what you are doing "is not enough." Trim as necessary, be confident, and you will have no problem finding a woman who will accept you, body hair and all.
Anyway, don't go nuts about it. Stuff like this has been popularised as a way for the 'beauty' industry to make ever more money off the backs of manufactured insecurities. They've finally figured out that men are as manipulable in this respect as women, hence the sudden pressure to not look gorillaish, and the subtle but constant shifting of the definition of 'gorillaish' towards ever balder frontiers.
Laser only works on people with brown or black hair. Plenty of us are still stuck with the ancient methods.
First off. Forget what the girls think or what ever else. You need to do what makes you comfortable. If you are not comfortable with your body that is going to be way more unattractive then looking like an ape.
I am a hairy dude as well. For the last 10 years or so I have done everything under the sun from waxing, Nair, shaving, trimming, tweezing and everything in between. And in the past 2 years I have come across a universal truth. It doesnt matter. At the end of the day Its my body and I want it to be comfortable.
So here is some story time.
Avoid WAXING. That shit hurts. the 40 year old virgin is a pretty good approximation of my chest hair. That shit was 3 hours of torture. Never do that to yourself. Plus it only lasts like 3 weeks anyway and then when it grows back it will grow back ingrown and you have red bumps everywhere. It was a bad experience that was expensive and painful. Do not do it.
Nair. Skip it. only works on little patches of hair. If you have a man sweater it will remove like half of it and smell terrible. Also if you have a reaction to it you will be in a world of shit.
Shaving. If you can keep up with it EVERY day. It will look ok but feel shitty. No girls like chest stuble. But if you are gonna be hitting the beach for a weekend and wanna look all buff give it a try. Be warned when it grows back it will itch like hell. For at least a week.
Now their are 2 areas that I recommend trimming.The arm pits and the crotch. Use one of these. They work very well even on super thick hair.
http://www.amazon.com/Philips-Norelco-BG2020-31-Bodygroom/dp/B000EG8HLE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1212382719&sr=8-1
If you are hairy like me you will sweat. Especially in the summer. Those two areas sweat the most on your body because they are the hottest. If you have a jungle of hair down there and sweat. It smells terrible. No girl is gonna want to ever go down on you after a night of dancing if you have a steamy jungle of man juice down there. If you trim down the hair with the smallest guard on that trimmer you will have a soft little patch of hair down there that will not collect sweat and there for not smell.
Also a note on the crotch take the norelco deal over the entire area pretty much if your underwear covers it trim it down to a quarter inch or less. No girl wants a pube up the nose or in the mouth when you are fooling around so do them the same favor you would expect.
AS for your chest hair. Man just let it flow. I have a freaking lions mane of chest hair. I tried everything to tame it but once I just accepted it for what it was it always worked out a lot better. I cant tell you how many times I have had girls tell me they dont like hairy guys and after dating me for 2 weeks totally fall in love with playing with my chest hair. You gotta keep it clean and you gotta smell nice but having something they can run their hands through or grab while fooling around is a gift from god.
Ive also had the opposite experience at clubs especially at the beach when im either not wearing a shirt or i have a button down not buttoned up top where girls see the hair and like it alot. They are like O moose you are so rugged please take me home and pretend to be a lumber jack. /shrug.
So in summation if you are in good physical shape and don't smell bad girls really dont care about your hair even if they say they do. If you have all the other important things in order like being attentive in bed and not being an ass they will give your hair a pass. Or some will revel in it. I brag up my chest hair the first time im a with a chick most have not been with a guy as hairy as me so its fun to tease them about my lions mane. (helps if you are in shape. A flabby chest covered in hair probably wont have the same effect)
And if you still feel bad about being hairy just take a cue from Mr Gaston. He gets all the ladies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBnWZignkQ
agreed
having to pause because it feels like you're flossing, not doing fun stuff, really isn't sexy
speaking purely aesthetically, I do like less hair on the chest. BUT not enough to -ever- suggest that someone go through the bother of getting rid of their hair. Hell, I sometimes think that shaving my legs is too much of a bother, asking someone to shave/wax/whatever their whole body is just silly
but a trim near the nethers is nice.
I have a somewhat hairy chest, although it grows in lopsided (more hair growing on the left than the right). But the real problem is the hairy nipples. One time, I was getting into some sexy time with a girl and she decided to bite my nipple. We had to stop for a minute while she was spitting and trying to pick hair out of her teeth. So I'll sometimes take an electric razor to the nipples alone, but not the rest of my chest.
And yes, if you're clean, the only person who really cares about your body hair will be your girlfriend++. I've got some family friends who are super hairy and yeah, they get shit for it but when it comes down to it there's not much they can do without living in agony.
If you must get rid of it, wax. Shaving just leads to ingrown hairs, which is a problem that resolves itself eventually if you're waxing regularly.
edit: Except your huevos. Man, don't put hot wax near your huevos.
All in all, I'd say I am reasonably metro- my facial hair is neat and well groomed, I use differing layers on light sideburns for face framing, keep a light chin shadow, and a short goatee. I bought a cordless trimmer some time ago, and I generally dont even bother with the different guards any more- just a steady hand.
I keep my chest shaved, but it doesn't stubble, there just isn't enough of it. I have a neatly trimmed treasure trail, no stomach hair, and trimmed bits. I like to keep with a sort of 'arrow' theme actually- it suits me. I dont get back hair- but a look at my grandpa says that's probably coming one day. I don't like to cut too short, and never a razor near the boys- itches. The trimmer is perfect.
I would repeat what has been said above, do what makes you feel comfortable. I like to look entirely well presented in both business and birthday suits.
On the other hand, I don't like spending my time gagging on the hair stuck in the back of my throat, either. It's nice to trim.