I don't read the megathreads (360, PS3, Nintendo at least), because they don't really apply to me. And yeah, i figure there's some fanboyism that goes on inside them. But i don't mind that they exist.
As for the chat thread, i find there's plenty of people who post in there that also post in other threads, so i don't feel like it's a special, isolated clique. If you want in, you look, and you post. I did it, others can too. I think G&T needs somewhere that the people that hang out on it, can post. I don't drop in to SE++ (except for, like, two posts), because i know the kinds of people who hang out in G&T. It's where i feel welcome.
I didn't see the whole deal with the comment that sparked this all, but it really does sound like some stuff's been taken out of hand. If Apotheos was overbearing, then i guess that's an issue that can be discussed with other mods etc.
Let me pose this question, which is purely metaphorical.
If the G&T chat thread doesn't fit in G&T, which is an on topic forum that is supposed to be heavily moderated, and it doesn't fit in SE++, which is an off-topic forum that is supposed to be lightly moderated, where exactly does it belong?
It belongs in G&T, where it exists as THE SOLE OFF-TOPIC THREAD
But G&T doesn't have any off-topic threads, because it's an on-topic forum.
Next question please. You there, in the blue shirt.
So you're being wilfully obtuse
Glad we cleared that up
I know, it's great, isn't it? It's almost like claiming discussing porn sites and saying "fuck" are in the same category.
I never said that.
But they both qualify under the idea that this is a "13+ forum"
Which was the reasoning proffered by Signor Apotheos
Certain people have made G&T their internet community.
That's not how it works. It's a forum about a very specific topic. I understand that many forumers have "bonded" together in the G&T chat thread. It's a tiny society. Fine. It won't mix with SE++. Fine. But the G&T mods should not have to put up with the bullshit that comes with it.
I'm not saying that it needs to be torn apart, but you do not have the right to make the G&T mods have to deal with your bullshit. Go make your own forum.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
I don't understand what the issue is with the chat thread. As long as people aren't posting porn or something in it, it doesn't really need moderation.
My position on the chat thread is that the chat threaders are the only ones haivng any real complaints about things, though, those complaints are for the most part unfounded.
Yes but the thing neither of you realize is that you're both wrong.
Should I bother explaining that statement or do you guys want to just skip to the part where you point out what a prick I am and I'll spend the ten minutes required jerking off instead?
You should go ahead and explain it, so I don't have to.
Alright.
Point the first:
The chat thread needs moderation. Why? Because it is a construct with certain goals and it must adhere to certain rules and standards. All three of these facets are equally important.
The goal is to provide a location for people to have conversations about topics not appropriate to the forum dedicated to video games and technology. For instance, the world cup, or the new Superman movie (totally fucking rad, for the record).
The rules come in where there are certain subjects you're barred from discussing, like where to download things protected by copyrights, or how terrible my latest moderating decision was, or how much everyone hates Henroid.
The standards come in where we expect a certain manner of decorum. Yes, it's the Internet. No, it's not GameFAQs. You people have lower standards for post quality than any other forum here and don't you even start in on that anti-SE bandwagon crap because it's the height of bullshit coming from G&T chat threaders. You want to see a real chat thread? Go look in D&D. They talk about things and have actual discussions. A lot of the time it's about inane shit like how awful work was or what they did over the weekend but guess what that's the point of the chat thread. Casual conversations that don't fit elsewhere or couldn't happen elsewhere.
The standards also apply in another manner. D&D had to crack down on homosexual innuendo a while back, not because gays are gross, but because it was overwhelming actual conversation, and it was lewd to the point of being inappropriate. The same would have happened if it were boy-girl innuendo, too.
None of these three facets will uphold themselves. Social Darwinism doesn't work on the Internet that way, what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
Now it didn't get here because you're all bad people. The same thing would happen in SE if they didn't have the best moderator we've ever had keeping an eye on the place. The same thing would happen in D&D if they didn't have the absolutely crack crew they've got. G&T has great people on staff too, but the chat thread got neglected. It didn't seem important at the time and there was a lack of will on the parts of certain individuals to enforce rules that they personally disliked, leading to an overall breakdown. I, and everyone else on the team, are very sorry we let you down. So we're trying to fix things here.
Fixing things means moderating the chat thread. There are problems with it, namely the fact that it utterly fails to adhere to the standards of anywhere else on the forums, the fact that it in no way accomplishes its goals the way the D&D chat thread does, and the fact that quite often the rules just end up out the window.
Now I realize that many of you disagree with those goals and feel that the real goal should be to provide a place for you to post anything and just dick about. That's great, but no one cares what you think because you're wrong and you don't get to make that decision. It's not a democracy, never has been and never will be, so if that's your aim, abandon all hope now and move on. You'll be happier and so will we.
I realize also that many of you will take offense to the suggestion that you fail to meet our standards for decorum, and that some of you will even go so far as to suggest that us even having standards for your behaviour proves that we're a bunch of overly detached jerks with superiority complexes that aren't here for the community because the community is clearly defined by you and your handful of buddies. I don't really have a counter to this one, except to point out that this would be a good example of tragic irony if you ever were hard up for one.
And finally, some of you argue that because we're not part of your community that we don't understand it and that because of this we can't hope to know what's best for it. The thing is, we do know what's best for your community. You would be best served by starting your own treehouse. The rest of the community would be served best by you obeying the rules, or as stated, leaving. Yes, this is awfully callous. Imagine what breaking up with me must be like.
The real crux of this specific issue however, is that this argument is completely irrelevant to the fact that we established the chat for a reason, that it ran with a reason and goals and rules and moderation and that having allowed it to drift without our continual input has lead to those goals and rules and reasons being abandoned. But we still know. We still remember. We therefore are more than adequately equipped to know what's best for the forums.
You're not the forums. You're tiny. Tiny, tiny, tiny. There's at most I'd wager a dozen to two dozen of you who are specifically hardliners opposed to this whole deal. That's nothing, nothing compared to the current forum membership overall and less than nothing compared to the number of people who have come and gone. You're just louder, more offensive and a great deal ruder than most. And that's coming from me, pheezer.
So that's that. This post is a good deal more than what mono asked for but hey, I'm trying to make up for what I've lost in post quantity lately.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
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fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
I don't understand what the issue is with the chat thread. As long as people aren't posting porn or something in it, it doesn't really need moderation.
My position on the chat thread is that the chat threaders are the only ones haivng any real complaints about things, though, those complaints are for the most part unfounded.
Yes but the thing neither of you realize is that you're both wrong.
Should I bother explaining that statement or do you guys want to just skip to the part where you point out what a prick I am and I'll spend the ten minutes required jerking off instead?
You should go ahead and explain it, so I don't have to.
Alright.
Point the first:
The chat thread needs moderation. Why? Because it is a construct with certain goals and it must adhere to certain rules and standards. All three of these facets are equally important.
The goal is to provide a location for people to have conversations about topics not appropriate to the forum dedicated to video games and technology. For instance, the world cup, or the new Superman movie (totally fucking rad, for the record).
The rules come in where there are certain subjects you're barred from discussing, like where to download things protected by copyrights, or how terrible my latest moderating decision was, or how much everyone hates Henroid.
The standards come in where we expect a certain manner of decorum. Yes, it's the Internet. No, it's not GameFAQs. You people have lower standards for post quality than any other forum here and don't you even start in on that anti-SE bandwagon crap because it's the height of bullshit coming from G&T chat threaders. You want to see a real chat thread? Go look in D&D. They talk about things and have actual discussions. A lot of the time it's about inane shit like how awful work was or what they did over the weekend but guess what that's the point of the chat thread. Casual conversations that don't fit elsewhere or couldn't happen elsewhere.
The standards also apply in another manner. D&D had to crack down on homosexual innuendo a while back, not because gays are gross, but because it was overwhelming actual conversation, and it was lewd to the point of being inappropriate. The same would have happened if it were boy-girl innuendo, too.
None of these three facets will uphold themselves. Social Darwinism doesn't work on the Internet that way, what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
Now it didn't get here because you're all bad people. The same thing would happen in SE if they didn't have the best moderator we've ever had keeping an eye on the place. The same thing would happen in D&D if they didn't have the absolutely crack crew they've got. G&T has great people on staff too, but the chat thread got neglected. It didn't seem important at the time and there was a lack of will on the parts of certain individuals to enforce rules that they personally disliked, leading to an overall breakdown. I, and everyone else on the team, are very sorry we let you down. So we're trying to fix things here.
Fixing things means moderating the chat thread. There are problems with it, namely the fact that it utterly fails to adhere to the standards of anywhere else on the forums, the fact that it in no way accomplishes its goals the way the D&D chat thread does, and the fact that quite often the rules just end up out the window.
Now I realize that many of you disagree with those goals and feel that the real goal should be to provide a place for you to post anything and just dick about. That's great, but no one cares what you think because you're wrong and you don't get to make that decision. It's not a democracy, never has been and never will be, so if that's your aim, abandon all hope now and move on. You'll be happier and so will we.
I realize also that many of you will take offense to the suggestion that you fail to meet our standards for decorum, and that some of you will even go so far as to suggest that us even having standards for your behaviour proves that we're a bunch of overly detached jerks with superiority complexes that aren't here for the community because the community is clearly defined by you and your handful of buddies. I don't really have a counter to this one, except to point out that this would be a good example of tragic irony if you ever were hard up for one.
And finally, some of you argue that because we're not part of your community that we don't understand it and that because of this we can't hope to know what's best for it. The thing is, we do know what's best for your community. You would be best served by starting your own treehouse. The rest of the community would be served best by you obeying the rules, or as stated, leaving. Yes, this is awfully callous. Imagine what breaking up with me must be like.
The real crux of this specific issue however, is that this argument is completely irrelevant to the fact that we established the chat for a reason, that it ran with a reason and goals and rules and moderation and that having allowed it to drift without our continual input has lead to those goals and rules and reasons being abandoned. But we still know. We still remember. We therefore are more than adequately equipped to know what's best for the forums.
You're not the forums. You're tiny. Tiny, tiny, tiny. There's at most I'd wager a dozen to two dozen of you who are specifically hardliners opposed to this whole deal. That's nothing, nothing compared to the current forum membership overall and less than nothing compared to the number of people who have come and gone. You're just louder, more offensive and a great deal ruder than most. And that's coming from me, pheezer.
So that's that. This post is a good deal more than what mono asked for but hey, I'm trying to make up for what I've lost in post quantity lately.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
I don't know how anyone ever could take TFS seriously. His bedtime is like 8pm. Just wait an hour and post again.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
your perception of se++ is obviously tainted.
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fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
fuck him. hes one dude. i like the guy but you have to learn not to give a shit.
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You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
I don't know how anyone ever could take TFS seriously. His bedtime is like 8pm. Just wait an hour and post again.
yeah, he's just another guy in the retard sea. he's a lot less visible to me than favlaud or raneados.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
It's too bad none of these things are, you know, actually true.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
Oh my god
Are you even reading what you type?
Are you really this fragile?
he is being somewhat of a dick.
so was slung, though.
what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
It's too bad none of these things are, you know, actually true.
what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
It's too bad none of these things are, you know, actually true.
The rest of the post was spot-on, though.
The rest of the post is largely irrelevant in light of the quoted portion being patently false.
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Just_Bri_ThanksSeething with ragefrom a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPAregular
TFS IS ALLOWED TO GO ALL AROUND, WILLY-NILLY, FLAPPIN' HIS DICK AROUND SE++ LIKE THE GODDAMNED SHERIFF. I DEMAND ACTION!
I just can't wrap my head around why the mods, at one point in time, caved in to forumers bitching about how unsuitable SE++ was for their undeniably higher chat standards.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
Oh my god
Are you even reading what you type?
Are you really this fragile?
well, every time I've started to post there, TFS has been the one there replying to me, so I kinda thought he did this thing all the time and no one cared.
well, every time I've started to post there, TFS has been the one there replying to me, so I kinda thought he did this thing all the time and no one cared.
This is the important and obvious answer to your issue.
Because he was there all the time and I don't know where to get that firefox ignore plugin anymore?
As for 'no one cared' a more accurate thing to say would be I kinda thought everyone else must be like him because they talk with him so much and don't seem at least mildly perturbed by it.
what happens is the chat thread devolves to the point where it's a place for a small clique to post images they dredged up on a porn site, be rude to outsiders and develop xenophobic complexes.
It's too bad none of these things are, you know, actually true.
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
Oh my god
Are you even reading what you type?
Are you really this fragile?
well, every time I've started to post there, TFS has been the one there replying to me, so I kinda thought he did this thing all the time and no one cared.
far side is just another random smelly SE++ bastard. just like myself and everyone else there.
ignore our comments, speak your thoughts, and sleep better at night.
TFS IS ALLOWED TO GO ALL AROUND, WILLY-NILLY, FLAPPIN' HIS DICK AROUND SE++ LIKE THE GODDAMNED SHERIFF. I DEMAND ACTION!
I just can't wrap my head around why the mods, at one point in time, caved in to forumers bitching about how unsuitable SE++ was for their undeniably higher chat standards.
The thing is they didn't cave in to that. They agree to a far different beast than what the chat thread has become. pheezer's post explained this. When was the last time the D&D chat thread caused drama at this level?
You don't introduce yourself to SE++. Just show up.
thank you.
The first thing that we think when you say 'hey first time psoting here ' is that you don't belong.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
Oh my god
Are you even reading what you type?
Are you really this fragile?
well, every time I've started to post there, TFS has been the one there replying to me, so I kinda thought he did this thing all the time and no one cared.
God, he fucking downvotes my YTMNDs just because I post in G&T. I don't have to kick up a fucking shitstorm about it, though.
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As for the chat thread, i find there's plenty of people who post in there that also post in other threads, so i don't feel like it's a special, isolated clique. If you want in, you look, and you post. I did it, others can too. I think G&T needs somewhere that the people that hang out on it, can post. I don't drop in to SE++ (except for, like, two posts), because i know the kinds of people who hang out in G&T. It's where i feel welcome.
I didn't see the whole deal with the comment that sparked this all, but it really does sound like some stuff's been taken out of hand. If Apotheos was overbearing, then i guess that's an issue that can be discussed with other mods etc.
But they both qualify under the idea that this is a "13+ forum"
Which was the reasoning proffered by Signor Apotheos
tube is civilization
I didn't actually make an introduction of any kind
how long have did you lurk before you posted?
good, now lurk a little and find out how to fit in.
*hint* it usually involves just acting normally
this makes me a fucktard, i presume.
That's not how it works. It's a forum about a very specific topic. I understand that many forumers have "bonded" together in the G&T chat thread. It's a tiny society. Fine. It won't mix with SE++. Fine. But the G&T mods should not have to put up with the bullshit that comes with it.
I'm not saying that it needs to be torn apart, but you do not have the right to make the G&T mods have to deal with your bullshit. Go make your own forum.
What about you post something related to the topic at hand in a thread and the first response you get is from thefarside telling you to get the fuck out? Because this has happened multiple times to multiple people.
I'll agree with Slung on this issue.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
it was some random TV show thread, I guess someone reconized me from GnT and was like "gb2 gfaqs"
once again, TFS is not se++.
so why does he get to run around and do whatever he wants there?
I don't know how anyone ever could take TFS seriously. His bedtime is like 8pm. Just wait an hour and post again.
your perception of se++ is obviously tainted.
fuck him. hes one dude. i like the guy but you have to learn not to give a shit.
Are you even reading what you type?
Are you really this fragile?
so was slung, though.
i said just jail them both.
I would say that everything that flies on any forum does so at the sufference of the moderators.
We all live in glass houses.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
I just can't wrap my head around why the mods, at one point in time, caved in to forumers bitching about how unsuitable SE++ was for their undeniably higher chat standards.
well, every time I've started to post there, TFS has been the one there replying to me, so I kinda thought he did this thing all the time and no one cared.
This is the important and obvious answer to your issue.
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Because he was there all the time and I don't know where to get that firefox ignore plugin anymore?
As for 'no one cared' a more accurate thing to say would be I kinda thought everyone else must be like him because they talk with him so much and don't seem at least mildly perturbed by it.
OH MY SWEET CHRIST WHAT THE FUCK.
ignore our comments, speak your thoughts, and sleep better at night.
EDIT: Sheri's here, we are all going to die.
Do you lack the self control to be able to look at a piece of information and discard it as being unimportant?
If you think he's a douche, then just ignore him.
The thing is they didn't cave in to that. They agree to a far different beast than what the chat thread has become. pheezer's post explained this. When was the last time the D&D chat thread caused drama at this level?
There's always going to be some asshats wherever you go.