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G&T open discussion thread
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You're the only one here who seems to understand that se++ is the only place where idle chat is to be "legally" accepted. I understand that this is an on-topic thread (as it is clearly in the on-topic forums), I was just defending the crowning jewel of the paforum community... the se++.
What I am saying is that some people like the atmosphere of G&T and G&Ters should be able to keep their chat thread that is all.
Edit: Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't see the last few posts where things seem to be cooling down. Please continue.
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I don't think we have any real say on that topic.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
Maybe a mod will accidentally read what we say and maybe, just maybe, think "That's not such a bad idea!"
Yes?
what would you suggest?
I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.
First, it looks as though the SE mods were right when I suggested G&T have its own chat thread. It's become the sole source of drama and that makes me feel like crap.
Second, the only issue here that affects G&T is the mega thread issue. The rest of this is G&T chat thread, and you know what guys? Y'all have become a treehouse. You guys think you are G&T but there are other people posting in the on topic threads and not the chat thread. How many of them do you think give as much of a shit about this as you do?
Third, stop the fucking SE++ vs. G&T bullshit.
1. Ask the mods to clearly and concisely explain why we shouldn't be allowed to have a chat thread or mega-system threads.
2. Ask the mods for more mods, to be selected from our own community, to mod GnT.
3. Ask to have a say in these matters in the future.
This is why no one takes you seriously. Do you honestly think no one is going to read this thread and take anything into consideration? Why else would we have it? If I wanted to read a thread about people being pissed off about this, I'd go to maekpoast.
I support a new mod staff, an entirely new one, for G&T for one reason. It'd end the drama indefinitely. I know that Whippy wouldn't pick chat threaders, who are among the worst candidates for mods. He'd probably assign people he knows from the other sections, and the only problems they could forseeably cause would be in the chat thread.
Can you start us off by telling us why the mods think we don't need the Megathreads for systems? If it's about organization, and having to dig through a thread, I would suggest we put stricter rules on the threads on terms of initial posts.
New mods? Yes, absolutly. Ditch the old mods? I have no oppinion about that. Everything I hear out of G&T is about gaps in mod coverage. Getting some new (additional) mods in there would obviously solve that.
chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
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We have 6 (5? I don't know what's going on with mcc) mods currently, down from 8 (possibly 9?), and I don't see ceres on the list anymore, so I'm not sure if she's still crossmodded.
Evidence points to the fact that we're short a few mods suddenly. No other real reason aside from that, but if leadership/enforcement starts to fade (or seem to from our end), I'd have a more concrete reason. Right now I'm just being observant.
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I'd love to. Unfortunately, the building is closing and I need to head home. I'll be back in about half an hour, at which point I can continue discussing this with you guys.
2) I'm not sure your tone is productive.
1. More mods who are very active and respected posters in G&T.
2. Keeping the Chat thread it servers a purpose. Sure it is a silly one but it does serve a purpose.
3. If there are going to be changes to the rules they should be announced and posters having some time to adjust not a "do this or else" attitude about new rules.
4. Keep the mega System threads but regular the content to hold to the Subject matter. EX PS3 Mega thread talks about the Hardware, services and politics about the PS3. However you can still make threads about the games coming out for the PS3 such as the MGS3 Mega thread.
5. ???
6. Profit!
From what i saw last night, and from some experiences from other forumers, many thought it to be an elaborate joke by the mods. Some said that the mods play jokes, more often then not they are fairly cruel.
This says to me that GnT mods have a low level of trust with quite a bit of forumers. While you maybe serious, some of us may think of it as a joke (as many had said in the chat thread) which can, and will lead to serious conflict later on.
Its fine for mods to have fun here and there, but playing a forum-wide joke usually isnt the best way to go about it. Also, the way people acted (both mods and forumers) was really, really out of hand. Considering how out-of-hand a chat thread can get, discussing important changes in a chat thread might not be the best idea. Even suggesting that a change may come, no matter how long it may take, is a bad idea.
If a discussion of change is to be made, it should be anywhere but the chat threads. It should be made in a whole seperate thread, that way you will get more serious responses instead of random pictures and cocks dicks lawl posts.
Finally, on the chance of losing chat threads. Its the social centre of forums. Keep em, but just be a bit more careful on what you do and dont allow. Maybe devote an entire mod to chat threads, whom can keep an open eye on what people are discussing. More mods is always good, and mods that can keep their temper under check. with some of the more...anger-problemed members.
At this point, I'm officially on board the idea that all chit-chat should be done in SE++.
That said G&T has lost a few mods lately, though I hope mcc isn't gone forever, and replacing them with new ones might not be a bad idea in and of itself.
What about a new type of moderator? Community mods?
Community mods wouldnt have as much power as normal mods, at the most having the power to temp. ban and/or jail people, but enough to keep forums in check. Community mods would be people with above-average posting ability, and would watch over thread and jail people who get out of hand. If things grow too heated, comm. mods can contact the regular mods to lock and/or cause more powerful duties.
This is all brainstorming, im just thinking of ways to fix the low-moderator issue and sometimes power abuse in mods.
we will never have another deputy system.
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