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G&T open discussion thread

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  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    NeuralFizz wrote:
    I'm not trying to be a dick, but for those who are against the megathreads, do you even have the system?
    Yes.

    Sixfortyfive on
    poasting something foolishly foolish.
  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    Slungsolow wrote:
    you guys can't even have a successful chat thread and you want to shit all over the only chat forum in this joint.

    ha



    ha
    it's comments like this that incite interforum rivalry. this is not a discussion about SE, and your post has exactly zero merit.

    I only posted what I did because you little bastards said something first.

    G&T is supposed to be an on-topic forum, with on-topic mods... they aren't there to ensure that you have a decent "chit chat", they are there to make sure G&T is full of posts about games and technologies.
    That's certainly true. The chat thread in D&D, and AC, and G&T all exist at the mods' sufferance. You don't have to like it; it's a fact. There's no need to be demeaning and snarky just because you don't like it. We're supposed to be civil in this on-topic thread.

    You're the only one here who seems to understand that se++ is the only place where idle chat is to be "legally" accepted. I understand that this is an on-topic thread (as it is clearly in the on-topic forums), I was just defending the crowning jewel of the paforum community... the se++.

    Slungsolow on
    fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    I was just defending the crowning jewel of the paforum community... the se++.
    All that I understand is that your behavior seems designed to incite people, and I'd honestly like you to stop doing it.

    Conditional_Axe on
  • ArtoriaArtoria Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    To be fair I wasn't shitting all over SE++. Heck I used to post there exclusively when I first came to PA. I was quite the regular. it's just my tastes changed (for whatever reason ) and I don't' go into SE++ anymore.

    What I am saying is that some people like the atmosphere of G&T and G&Ters should be able to keep their chat thread that is all.

    Artoria on
  • SlungsolowSlungsolow Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Slungsolow wrote:
    I was just defending the crowning jewel of the paforum community... the se++.
    All that I understand is that your behavior seems designed to incite people, and I'd honestly like you to stop doing it.

    d-u-n

    Slungsolow on
    fuck your forums, fuck your administrator and fuck dynagrip for getting away with the long troll.
  • GimeCGimeC Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Please stop. Seriously, just stop right here. I don't mean to backseat mod, but GnT has been given a chance to speak out with their grievances and suggestions, and talking about SE (which, by the way, is off-topic...) is just going to ruin it, especially with snide comments and forum hatin'.

    Edit: Okay, I'm sorry, I didn't see the last few posts where things seem to be cooling down. Please continue.

    GimeC on
  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    Mai-Kero on
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I don't think we have any real say on that topic.

    Just_Bri_Thanks on
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    chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.

    Conditional_Axe on
  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I don't think we have any real say on that topic.

    Maybe a mod will accidentally read what we say and maybe, just maybe, think "That's not such a bad idea!"

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  • NucshNucsh Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    From what I've gathered so far, it seems like we all agree that G&T is under modded, almost to the severe.

    Yes?

    Nucsh on
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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I don't think we have any real say on that topic.

    Maybe a mod will accidentally read what we say and maybe, just maybe, think "That's not such a bad idea!"
    not a bad point.

    what would you suggest?

    Conditional_Axe on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    I've had a longer pre-typed post prepared for this, but I'll just throw a couple of thoughts out at the moment.

    First, it looks as though the SE mods were right when I suggested G&T have its own chat thread. It's become the sole source of drama and that makes me feel like crap.

    Second, the only issue here that affects G&T is the mega thread issue. The rest of this is G&T chat thread, and you know what guys? Y'all have become a treehouse. You guys think you are G&T but there are other people posting in the on topic threads and not the chat thread. How many of them do you think give as much of a shit about this as you do?

    Third, stop the fucking SE++ vs. G&T bullshit.

    Henroid on
  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.

    Monoxide on
  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I don't think we have any real say on that topic.

    Maybe a mod will accidentally read what we say and maybe, just maybe, think "That's not such a bad idea!"
    not a bad point.

    what would you suggest?

    1. Ask the mods to clearly and concisely explain why we shouldn't be allowed to have a chat thread or mega-system threads.

    2. Ask the mods for more mods, to be selected from our own community, to mod GnT.

    3. Ask to have a say in these matters in the future.

    Mai-Kero on
  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.

    This is why no one takes you seriously. Do you honestly think no one is going to read this thread and take anything into consideration? Why else would we have it? If I wanted to read a thread about people being pissed off about this, I'd go to maekpoast.

    Monoxide on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.
    Hi Mono.

    I support a new mod staff, an entirely new one, for G&T for one reason. It'd end the drama indefinitely. I know that Whippy wouldn't pick chat threaders, who are among the worst candidates for mods. He'd probably assign people he knows from the other sections, and the only problems they could forseeably cause would be in the chat thread.

    Henroid on
  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.

    This is why no one takes you seriously. Do you honestly think no one is going to read this thread and take anything into consideration? Why else would we have it? If I wanted to read a thread about people being pissed off about this, I'd go to maekpoast.
    that's out of line. I'm not bitching, just reiterating something that was already pointed out to us by K last night.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.

    Can you start us off by telling us why the mods think we don't need the Megathreads for systems? If it's about organization, and having to dig through a thread, I would suggest we put stricter rules on the threads on terms of initial posts.

    Mai-Kero on
  • Just_Bri_ThanksJust_Bri_Thanks Seething with rage from a handbasket.Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.

    New mods? Yes, absolutly. Ditch the old mods? I have no oppinion about that. Everything I hear out of G&T is about gaps in mod coverage. Getting some new (additional) mods in there would obviously solve that.

    Just_Bri_Thanks on
    ...and when you are done with that; take a folding
    chair to Creation and then suplex the Void.
  • SaniusSanius Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Henroid wrote:
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.
    Hi Mono.

    I support a new mod staff, an entirely new one, for G&T for one reason. It'd end the drama indefinitely. I know that Whippy wouldn't pick chat threaders, who are among the worst candidates for mods. He'd probably assign people he knows from the other sections, and the only problems they could forseeably cause would be in the chat thread.
    :(

    Sanius on
  • NucshNucsh Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Monoxide wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?

    I'd be more than happy to hear some intelligent and well thought out suggestions as to what should happen from here. I'd even be happy to hear some concrete reasons why we need new mods, if that's what you think needs to be done. Just put some thought into it, please, instead of starting bandwagons and slandering the people you're trying to convince.

    We have 6 (5? I don't know what's going on with mcc) mods currently, down from 8 (possibly 9?), and I don't see ceres on the list anymore, so I'm not sure if she's still crossmodded.

    Evidence points to the fact that we're short a few mods suddenly. No other real reason aside from that, but if leadership/enforcement starts to fade (or seem to from our end), I'd have a more concrete reason. Right now I'm just being observant.

    Nucsh on
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  • BallmanBallman Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    I've read a good deal of this thread, but I'm still confused. What exactly is so bad about the Chat Thread again?

    Ballman on
  • SaniusSanius Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Ballman wrote:
    I've read a good deal of this thread, but I'm still confused. What exactly is so bad about the Chat Thread again?
    I had no idea we were talking about the chat thread. It was in the talks, but I do not believe that is the point. It was brought up when slungslow felt the need to act up.

    Sanius on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.
    For the record, that's a shitty attitude to have. Someone, perhaps even yourself, may suggest something that will take. This isn't some fucking tyrannical system we're dealing with.

    Henroid on
  • MonoxideMonoxide Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Can you start us off by telling us why the mods think we don't need the Megathreads for systems? If it's about organization, and having to dig through a thread, I would suggest we put stricter rules on the threads on terms of initial posts.

    I'd love to. Unfortunately, the building is closing and I need to head home. I'll be back in about half an hour, at which point I can continue discussing this with you guys.

    Monoxide on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Sanius wrote:
    Ballman wrote:
    I've read a good deal of this thread, but I'm still confused. What exactly is so bad about the Chat Thread again?
    I had no idea we were talking about the chat thread. It was in the talks, but I do not believe that is the point. It was brought up when slungslow felt the need to act up.
    Chat threaders seem to be the most vocal about what is going on, which I'm still trying to figure out. I've considered the G&T chat thread a seperate entity from G&T for a long time.

    Henroid on
  • SixfortyfiveSixfortyfive Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Henroid wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.
    For the record, that's a shitty attitude to have. Someone, perhaps even yourself, may suggest something that will take. This isn't some fucking tyrannical system we're dealing with.
    1) Mono already said that.
    2) I'm not sure your tone is productive.

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  • Conditional_AxeConditional_Axe Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Henroid wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.
    For the record, that's a shitty attitude to have. Someone, perhaps even yourself, may suggest something that will take. This isn't some fucking tyrannical system we're dealing with.
    Like I said, I'm just reiterating something that we've already been told earlier in this thread.

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  • ArtoriaArtoria Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Well pretty much we have theses suggestions

    1. More mods who are very active and respected posters in G&T.
    2. Keeping the Chat thread it servers a purpose. Sure it is a silly one but it does serve a purpose.
    3. If there are going to be changes to the rules they should be announced and posters having some time to adjust not a "do this or else" attitude about new rules.
    4. Keep the mega System threads but regular the content to hold to the Subject matter. EX PS3 Mega thread talks about the Hardware, services and politics about the PS3. However you can still make threads about the games coming out for the PS3 such as the MGS3 Mega thread.
    5. ???
    6. Profit!

    Artoria on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Henroid wrote:
    Mai-Kero wrote:
    Maybe we should decide what actually needs to be done instead of just ineffectually vent about the issue?
    it's out of our hands right now. this is basically a place to vent.
    For the record, that's a shitty attitude to have. Someone, perhaps even yourself, may suggest something that will take. This isn't some fucking tyrannical system we're dealing with.
    1) Mono already said that.
    2) I'm not sure your tone is productive.
    Sorry, my WoW binge has come to a slow and I came back to the forum last night to see all this shit and it has me kinda ticked. I'm trying not to rant.

    Henroid on
  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Now i have not gotten around to reading the whole thread, so i apologize if somethings are out of place/said before.

    From what i saw last night, and from some experiences from other forumers, many thought it to be an elaborate joke by the mods. Some said that the mods play jokes, more often then not they are fairly cruel.

    This says to me that GnT mods have a low level of trust with quite a bit of forumers. While you maybe serious, some of us may think of it as a joke (as many had said in the chat thread) which can, and will lead to serious conflict later on.

    Its fine for mods to have fun here and there, but playing a forum-wide joke usually isnt the best way to go about it. Also, the way people acted (both mods and forumers) was really, really out of hand. Considering how out-of-hand a chat thread can get, discussing important changes in a chat thread might not be the best idea. Even suggesting that a change may come, no matter how long it may take, is a bad idea.

    If a discussion of change is to be made, it should be anywhere but the chat threads. It should be made in a whole seperate thread, that way you will get more serious responses instead of random pictures and cocks dicks lawl posts.

    Finally, on the chance of losing chat threads. Its the social centre of forums. Keep em, but just be a bit more careful on what you do and dont allow. Maybe devote an entire mod to chat threads, whom can keep an open eye on what people are discussing. More mods is always good, and mods that can keep their temper under check. with some of the more...anger-problemed members.

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  • EchoEcho ski-bap ba-dapModerator mod
    edited June 2006
    So, this low mod coverage. What exactly is it we fail to cover? I sure don't see a whole lot of PMs in my inbox about stuff.

    Echo on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Its fine for mods to have fun here and there, but playing a forum-wide joke usually isnt the best way to go about it. Also, the way people acted (both mods and forumers) was really, really out of hand. Considering how out-of-hand a chat thread can get, discussing important changes in a chat thread might not be the best idea. Even suggesting that a change may come, no matter how long it may take, is a bad idea.
    Let's not kid ourselves here - Some forumers bitched about an April Fool's joke to no end. :wink:
    Finally, on the chance of losing chat threads. Its the social centre of forums. Keep em, but just be a bit more careful on what you do and dont allow. Maybe devote an entire mod to chat threads, whom can keep an open eye on what people are discussing. More mods is always good, and mods that can keep their temper under check. with some of the more...anger-problemed members.
    Well see, SE++ is supposed to be the social center of the forums. The original intent behind the chat thread was to curb the side discussion that could occur in on-topic threads, and even let the community (G&T specific) get to know each other. I would say it worked for the first few months as intended, and then started to become the focus of forumers. Y'know, people joining for the chat thread and not necessarily G&T.

    At this point, I'm officially on board the idea that all chit-chat should be done in SE++.

    Henroid on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    Echo wrote:
    So, this low mod coverage. What exactly is it we fail to cover? I sure don't see a whole lot of PMs in my inbox about stuff.
    That's another thing. The proper threads that need locking get locked. Trolls are dealt with. I've IM'd mods when they are needed and I've even PM'd mods from other sections if something strikingly bad was posted and they help. That doesn't mean that the G&T mods aren't doing their job though, because every time I've asked an outside mod for help it was in the dead of night.

    Henroid on
  • TofenheimerTofenheimer Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    I don't think assigning a mod to the chat thread would be productive. We can't really expect anyone to be able to babysit a thread 24/7. The chat thread should be covered by the regular mods same as the rest of the forum and gosh darn it I'd like to believe that we are grown up enough to be able to function even when we occasionally lack "adult" supervision.

    That said G&T has lost a few mods lately, though I hope mcc isn't gone forever, and replacing them with new ones might not be a bad idea in and of itself.

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  • GimeCGimeC Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    I don't think assigning a mod to the chat thread would be productive. We can't really expect anyone to be able to babysit a thread 24/7. The chat thread should be covered by the regular mods same as the rest of the forum and gosh darn it I'd like to believe that we are grown up enough to be able to function even when we occasionally lack "adult" supervision.

    That said G&T has lost a few mods lately, though I hope mcc isn't gone forever, and replacing them with new ones might not be a bad idea in and of itself.
    On that note, has anyone contacted mcc since the whole [Log out[mcc]] thing? I'd hate to actually see him go, and I'm sure a lot of others would too.

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  • F-Zero_RacerF-Zero_Racer Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    I don't think assigning a mod to the chat thread would be productive. We can't really expect anyone to be able to babysit a thread 24/7. The chat thread should be covered by the regular mods same as the rest of the forum and gosh darn it I'd like to believe that we are grown up enough to be able to function even when we occasionally lack "adult" supervision.

    That said G&T has lost a few mods lately, though I hope mcc isn't gone forever, and replacing them with new ones might not be a bad idea in and of itself.

    What about a new type of moderator? Community mods?

    Community mods wouldnt have as much power as normal mods, at the most having the power to temp. ban and/or jail people, but enough to keep forums in check. Community mods would be people with above-average posting ability, and would watch over thread and jail people who get out of hand. If things grow too heated, comm. mods can contact the regular mods to lock and/or cause more powerful duties.

    This is all brainstorming, im just thinking of ways to fix the low-moderator issue and sometimes power abuse in mods.

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  • OrikaeshigitaeOrikaeshigitae Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2006
    I don't think assigning a mod to the chat thread would be productive. We can't really expect anyone to be able to babysit a thread 24/7. The chat thread should be covered by the regular mods same as the rest of the forum and gosh darn it I'd like to believe that we are grown up enough to be able to function even when we occasionally lack "adult" supervision.

    That said G&T has lost a few mods lately, though I hope mcc isn't gone forever, and replacing them with new ones might not be a bad idea in and of itself.

    What about a new type of moderator? Community mods?

    Community mods wouldnt have as much power as normal mods, at the most having the power to temp. ban and/or jail people, but enough to keep forums in check. Community mods would be people with above-average posting ability, and would watch over thread and jail people who get out of hand. If things grow too heated, comm. mods can contact the regular mods to lock and/or cause more powerful duties.

    This is all brainstorming, im just thinking of ways to fix the low-moderator issue and sometimes power abuse in mods.
    this is the deputy system.

    we will never have another deputy system.

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  • SaniusSanius Registered User regular
    edited June 2006
    We could use some new mods, but I do not think it's exactly mandatory at the moment.

    Sanius on
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