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EGM is hilariously shitty at checking facts

CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
edited June 2008 in Games and Technology
http://blogs.ign.com/Matt-IGN/2008/06/02/91717/
IGN's Peer Schneider is a little obsessive about our database -- specifically, making sure all of our game, movies and people objects feature up-to-date profiles and pictures. Recently, he updated the profile for Mario Segali, the famed NOA warehouse landlord who reportedly inspired the "Mario" name in Miyamoto's epic franchise.

As a little experiment, Peer decided to create a mock picture of the never-photographed Segali -- his goal being to see how long it took for fansites and other sources to nab it as legitimate. Peer started with a photo of IGN DVD editor Chris Monfette and then added a really crummy mustache, some equally poor eyebrows, and colored his hair to make him look a little older. Done.
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Above: Chris Monfette (left) and Chris Monfette as Mario Segali (right)

That was about a month ago. Since that time, Monfette (as Segali) has already made it to the big time: print. This time, courtesy EGM Magazine. Here's a quick photo of this month's latest issue:
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Why the hell does video game journalism suck so much?

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Hey dont paint all of games journalism with EGMs shitty brush.

    It takes a special kind of fail to get had by IGN.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited June 2008
    This is obviously part of the Patriots plans to control our behaviour through manipulation of facts. THey made EGM print the wrong photo by making them think it was the right photo.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The newest EGM claims there's no cover system in MGS4 that lets you peek out and shoot.

    http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/815/815019/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20070823044426421.jpg

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  • JihadJesusJihadJesus Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Hey dont paint all of games journalism with EGMs shitty brush.

    It takes a special kind of fail to get had by IGN.
    Or include an IGN watermarked concept piece in your cover art - and fail to catch it before it goes to retail. Maybe it's not gaming journalism. Maybe it's just gaming.

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  • FyreWulffFyreWulff YouRegistered User, ClubPA regular
    edited June 2008
    Also according to EGM Halo 3 was going to be an open-ended instanced MMO running on a slightly modified Halo 2 engine for some reason.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    talk about owned

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Hey dont paint all of games journalism with EGMs shitty brush.

    It takes a special kind of fail to get had by IGN.

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  • brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Wow. I saw that pic in EGM and thought it looked a little funny. Now I know why! Good find.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Guys.... what if IGN are the Patriots.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    but really

    did this need a thread

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    FyreWulff wrote: »
    Also according to EGM Halo 3 was going to be an open-ended instanced MMO running on a slightly modified Halo 2 engine for some reason.

    Is...is...is that true?

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  • Crack_ShotCrack_Shot Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    UnbreakableVow wrote: »
    The newest EGM claims there's no cover system in MGS4 that lets you peek out and shoot.

    http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/815/815019/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots--20070823044426421.jpg

    whooops.jpg

    I figured out you could do that during my first few rounds of the MGO beta. How the hell could you get through the entire game without at least doing it on accident?

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    That's absolutely awesome. If they wanted to, IGN could sue for plagiarism. Ripping off other people's work is a HUGE no-no in journalism.

    And IGN isn't THAT bad, despite the fact that they employ that damn PSP licker for no apparent reason. Matt C. seems to be a pretty decent guy.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The only thing I can think of that they mean is either blind-firing or peeking out over a low horizontal wall. That picture shows him near a vertical edge.

    I haven't played the MGO beta so I don't know if you can do either of these things, but really, they should say what they fucking mean, because "cover system" is pretty fucking vague.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Exactly, I wouldn't call IGN terrible except for their sometimes-inflated scores. I always enjoy reading their reviews, their closing comments give a nice summing up as well.

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  • Dr.FunkensteinDr.Funkenstein Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    That's absolutely awesome. If they wanted to, IGN could sue for plagiarism. Ripping off other people's work is a HUGE no-no in journalism.

    And IGN isn't THAT bad, despite the fact that they employ that damn PSP licker for no apparent reason. Matt C. seems to be a pretty decent guy.

    I don't know the reviews are pretty damn awful

    Especially their older reviews, I just looked at an old one recently and goddamn all it is is a bunch of screenshots with jokes.

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  • AntihippyAntihippy Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    DarkWarrior wrote: »
    This is obviously part of the Patriots plans to control our behaviour through manipulation of facts. THey made EGM print the wrong photo by making them think it was the right photo.

    I still that that is the right photo, only that the Patriots fooled us into thinking that it was the wrong photo by giving it to IGN saying that it was the wrong photo so EGM could publish it thinking that it was the RIGHT photo.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    UnbreakableVow wrote: »
    The only thing I can think of that they mean is either blind-firing or peeking out over a low horizontal wall. That picture shows him near a vertical edge.

    I haven't played the MGO beta so I don't know if you can do either of these things, but really, they should say what they fucking mean, because "cover system" is pretty fucking vague.

    Especially since MGS damn near *invented* the cover system (at least, it's the first game I remember being able to hide behind things and fire out from them)

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

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  • TorgoTorgo Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Game Journalism isn't REAL journalism. It's a bunch of want-to-be industry insiders giving opinions on games getting kickbacks from the industry to play said games.

    It's a few steps up from paid advertising spokesman (occasionally they'll admit the flaws of a game), and one step up from whore most of the time. For a multi-BILLION dollar industry, Game Journalism is a total joke.

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  • zimfanzimfan Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Was Kill.Switch any good? It's at Best Buy for 5$

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zimfan wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Was Kill.Switch any good? It's at Best Buy for 5$

    I thought it was fucking outstanding. It was like Gears of War but better.

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  • Vincent GraysonVincent Grayson Frederick, MDRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    zimfan wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Was Kill.Switch any good? It's at Best Buy for 5$

    No, it was a mediocre game that sold poorly. But somehow, the cover system in it has been copied and survives in virtually every game involving shooting now.

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  • Atlus ParkerAtlus Parker Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Winback?

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    Winback did it that way first, actually. But kill.switch was a much better game.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Torgo wrote: »
    Game Journalism isn't REAL journalism. It's a bunch of want-to-be industry insiders giving opinions on games getting kickbacks from the industry to play said games.

    It's a few steps up from paid advertising spokesman (occasionally they'll admit the flaws of a game), and one step up from whore most of the time. For a multi-BILLION dollar industry, Game Journalism is a total joke.
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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Are you just trying to reinforce his point or what?

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  • GunstarGunstar Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Atlus Parker wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Winback?

    Rebel Assault 2?

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  • Crack_ShotCrack_Shot Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    UnbreakableVow wrote: »
    zimfan wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Was Kill.Switch any good? It's at Best Buy for 5$

    I thought it was fucking outstanding. It was like Gears of War but better.

    I really enjoyed Kill.Switch, though I felt it ran a bit long for what is was. A level or two shorter and I woulda beat it. The story seemed pretty terrible, but it was also completely unnecessary.

    Edit: Brought up Winback and found out I was beat'd severely.

    Winback was pretty good. The dumb as dogshit AI makes it entertaining in a way.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Atlus Parker wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Winback?

    yes fine winback

    but ugh who played winback

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Vincent Grayson wrote: »
    zimfan wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Was Kill.Switch any good? It's at Best Buy for 5$

    No, it was a mediocre game that sold poorly. But somehow, the cover system in it has been copied and survives in virtually every game involving shooting now.

    I believe the main guy from kill.switch, or one of those guys anyway, went on to Gears Of War.

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  • UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    Atlus Parker wrote: »
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    well, kill.switch invented the cover system as we know it today

    but technically time crisis invented the cover system

    Winback?

    yes fine winback

    but ugh who played winback

    The PS2 version that hit right before MGS2 wasn't a bad game. Nothing memorable, though.

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  • Crack_ShotCrack_Shot Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    The problem with Winback is that most people that played it, played the PS2 version, and therefore compared it to other PS2 games (like MGS2). As a result, its viewed as being very mediocre. Had they released it as a PS1 game, I think people would remember it differently.

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  • JCRooksJCRooks Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Torgo wrote: »
    Game Journalism isn't REAL journalism. It's a bunch of want-to-be industry insiders giving opinions on games getting kickbacks from the industry to play said games.

    It's a few steps up from paid advertising spokesman (occasionally they'll admit the flaws of a game), and one step up from whore most of the time. For a multi-BILLION dollar industry, Game Journalism is a total joke.

    Most of game journalism is a joke.

    I am very much hoping that Shawn Elliott and the rest of the crew at GFW Radio will use this to take another opportunity to talk about the state of game journalism, like they have done in the past. The only difference that this happening with a magazine that they actually work on now (ever since GFW has gone away).

    I've always gotten the feeling that the GFW editors didn't think very highly of the journalism work of their peers, and often for good reason. Will they refrain from pulling the punches in this case?

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  • bloodyroarxxbloodyroarxx Casa GrandeRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Yea IGN seems to forget about the Metal Gear Solid "Triology" goof up from before.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    how many people in gaming journalism actually know anything about journalism?

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    BloodyRoarXX wrote: »
    Yea IGN seems to forget about the Metal Gear Solid "Triology" goof up from before.
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    You should never base an article on a fucking FORUM.

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  • EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    People still read game print magazines?

    Ok, then, carry on.

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  • Kuribo's ShoeKuribo's Shoe Kuribo's Stocking North PoleRegistered User regular
    edited June 2008
    ign is tied with gamespot for worst video game website ever

    so this is about a shitty magazine getting shitty info from a shitty website

    whole thing is shitty

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  • B:LB:L I've done worse. Registered User regular
    edited June 2008
    Kuribo's Shoe wrote: »
    but really

    did this need a thread

    Would you have preferred a topic about this?

    http://kotaku.com/5012146/egm-refuse-to-review-mgs4-because-konami-imposed-limitations

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