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Not the same thing really, but there's been plenty of times I've messaged a Kotaku editor with a correction only to be told, "Not our fault, that's how it was in the press release."
Happened at least four or five times when discussion Civilization Revolutions. "First time the series is hitting consoles". No. Third time. You know, at least have the gumption to scan over a Wiki entry on the series.
"It's not our fault."
Pfft. You're fucking gamers. Or at least pretend to be.
Not as lultastic, but definitely a slow, sigh filled, facepalm.gif.
Gaming Journalism: Just repackage the press release. I'm sure it is accurate and not filled with any misinformation.
Thank fuck for my legitimate journalism degree.
That way when game journalism goes under I can slide right into something more legitimate, like a tabloid or FHM.
I plan on getting a legit degree in journalism when I head back into the good ole college.
I got a mighty lol from that degree comment.
THANK HOLY SHIT FUCK I HAVE A LEGITIMATE JOURNALISM DEGREE DICK ASS COCK!
I know you didn't mean it like that, but that's the mental image I got.
It's entire fucking point was the story you douchebag, and it had a good story, a damn good story.
Oh, turn-based strategies always get the fucker from sports, the hardcore Itagaki fanboy who has played through that one game without firing a single shot(he gives it the highest score, of course) , and the "female" "gamer"(I needed to separate those and give them their own quotations, it describes the phenomenon best)
I don't even think I understand this post. Is it in the wrong thread or something?
You're not the only one that doesn't know what's going on in that.
Span is just upset he's not a legitimate journalist, so he'll never live up to the sane and well thought out expectations of the highly intelligent and classy members of the PA forums that deserve so much better out of their news about video games.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
The 1 Up podcast is gooood listening.
I dunno why, it's probably because I don't have friends who play games like I do, and want to have the conversations they are having.
Also, I hate that Crispin guy in EGM. And Shoe, to a lesser extent.
good news! they both quit!
Shoe quit but I don't think Crispin did.
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Span is just upset he's not a legitimate journalist, so he'll never live up to the sane and well thought out expectations of the highly intelligent and classy members of the PA forums that deserve so much better out of their news about video games.
Wow how quaintly irrelevant.
Don't know what possessed you to make such a comment, I was just laughing at how a comment somebody made sounded, but if you must know.. I was actually going for my Journalism & Corporate PR degree when my current job actually pulled me out of school since I was already qualified for my position and because they needed me RIGHT NOW. I find this ironic seeing as I got pulled out of school to start a job in the industry that I was going to school to get a degree to get a job in begin with. Now if you'll excuse me I'm still at work, so if you don't mind I'm going to just go back to making more money than you. 8-)
Span is just upset he's not a legitimate journalist, so he'll never live up to the sane and well thought out expectations of the highly intelligent and classy members of the PA forums that deserve so much better out of their news about video games.
Wow how quaintly irrelevant.
Don't know what possessed you to make such a comment, I was just laughing at how a comment somebody made sounded, but if you must know I was actually going for my Journalism & Corporate PR degree when my current job actually pulled me out of school since I was already qualified for my position and because they needed me RIGHT NOW. I find this ironic seeing as I got pulled out of school to start a job in the industry that I was going to school to get a degree to get a job in begin with. Now if you'll excuse me I'm still at work, so if you don't mind I'm going to just go back to making more money than you. 8-)
I'm only teasing Neva, I still love you girl.
It was a joke, butt-muncher. Maybe you should go back for that degree.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Span is just upset he's not a legitimate journalist, so he'll never live up to the sane and well thought out expectations of the highly intelligent and classy members of the PA forums that deserve so much better out of their news about video games.
Wow how quaintly irrelevant.
Don't know what possessed you to make such a comment, I was just laughing at how a comment somebody made sounded, but if you must know I was actually going for my Journalism & Corporate PR degree when my current job actually pulled me out of school since I was already qualified for my position and because they needed me RIGHT NOW. I find this ironic seeing as I got pulled out of school to start a job in the industry that I was going to school to get a degree to get a job in begin with. Now if you'll excuse me I'm still at work, so if you don't mind I'm going to just go back to making more money than you. 8-)
I'm only teasing Neva, I still love you girl.
It was a joke, butt-muncher. Maybe you should go back for that degree.
See how I said that I was only teasing signifying that I was playing with you as well? Maybe it's time to get that prescription checked. ;-)
Except you were so confused about what I was saying, and took the furry defensive stance. You aren't fooling anyone, Mister Million Dollars a Year.
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The 1 Up podcast is gooood listening.
I dunno why, it's probably because I don't have friends who play games like I do, and want to have the conversations they are having.
Also, I hate that Crispin guy in EGM. And Shoe, to a lesser extent.
That was such bullshit.
I know, opinions and blah blah, but he seriously never gave the game a chance.
Reading that review solidifed my opinion that I would never ever pay for EGM ever again.
I almost don't keep them when I get them in the mail, but it's something to read on the toilet that's not newspaper comics (which often are better anyway. Yeah, "Dennis The Menace" has more entertainment value than EGM. And I've never once laughed at Dennis the Menace.)
IGN's Peer Schneider is a little obsessive about our database -- specifically, making sure all of our game, movies and people objects feature up-to-date profiles and pictures.
Right. So obsessive that he will post a fake image for teh lulz.
Both parties look bad here, but IGN still looks worse for continuing to pursue and publish exclusive reviews, while Ziff-Davis abandoned the practice long ago. Exclusive revs are void if the score falls below a certain number, in which case IGN loses the precious clicks that come from people seeking the first word on a big game. IGN can claim that their scores are never impacted by the agreements, but anyone with any amount of pride in their work would want to avoid even the appearance of such impropriety.
I really didn't see what was so bad about the game. The combat was the biggest complaint, but really if you knew how to, you could manipulate the combat with a lot of finesse. People who complain about button mashing were doing it wrong.
Other than that, it's a matter of tastes, and I happen to like the taste of awesome.
I really didn't see what was so bad about the game. The combat was the biggest complaint, but really if you knew how to, you could manipulate the combat with a lot of finesse. People who complain about button mashing were doing it wrong.
Other than that, it's a matter of tastes, and I happen to like the taste of awesome.
Well it sure was a kickass engine, maybe someday they will make a game with it.
Okay then, care to share why you didn't think it was a game?
Because to me it was like Tomb Raider, only I got to stab guys and there was little to no tombs in it.
I really didn't see what was so bad about the game. The combat was the biggest complaint, but really if you knew how to, you could manipulate the combat with a lot of finesse. People who complain about button mashing were doing it wrong.
Other than that, it's a matter of tastes, and I happen to like the taste of awesome.
Well it sure was a kickass engine, maybe someday they will make a game with it.
As we see here and have since it launched, Assassin's Creed is divisive. Which means EGM's 4.5 in the middle of two decent scores makes sense.
Creed was a 9 game in my opinion, but I have no qualms about someone giving it lower, as I recognise completely the issue of differing opinions. Many professionals thought Creed was a 9 while many more thought it was worse.
Crispins 4.5 though was a work of the devil. And like always, I read the text first and it not only had factual errors but seemed overtly hostile and scathing towards the game. To use the word 'Agenda' might be too harsh but there was something off.
Not to say I paint him as a professional with that brush, we all have our bad reviews. Many of his other works were exceptionally written and well sourced. He didnt quit because of that, lets not be silly.
But EGM is a sinking ship. How many really senior staff have left recently? I can count about 5 or 6.
To say I myself have an agenda against EGM might well be accurate. I hate bullshit journalism. 40 pages of ads and 6 pages of letters and features does not maketh thy magazineth.
You see normally, lol opinions or the more formal 'everyone is entitled to their opinion' would count completely.
But for one so dissonant, and more importantly, one backed up so weakly, it doesnt count.
It is a less extreme version of me saying 'Chelsea suck because I hate their players'
Am I entitled to that opinion? Yes. If I was a professional sports writer working on a major international sports magazine, and said that, would you expect me to be burned for it?
Well clearly Chelsea do suck, perhaps not the best analogy to have used.
Essentially, if you read the written review, it boils down quite simply to 'Repetition is bad'.
And yeah, it is bad. But it didnt turn a pretty decent game into an abomination. As Gabe said, you almost couldnt review Assassin's Creed, especially for a magazine which is no longer getting preview builds from Ubisoft and was rushed to print.
Basically, he took a game and said things that made it sound like played it for 20 minutes.
He then dropped the controller like a 4 year old and said "THIS IS DUMB".
AC had it's flaws, but it was not as bad as he painted it.
Opinions are one thing. Misinformation is another.
You can certainly say you didn't like it. And I can certainly say "HUMBUG AND HOGWASH!" because shoving dudes off towers to their death is frigging awesome.
I liked the openness of the game. I took pleasure in not doing the missions but simply the free running and exploration. The flag hunting was great.
To many this sounds like gaming sado masochism, but to me it was sedate, relaxed and at least something different.
How many games can you say let you run on arabian rooftops compared the amount that have you shooting aliens.
To me, Creed was a flawed game, no doubt, perhaps rushed in development, with some pacing and narrative issues.
But at its core was a rock solid base, the cities were sumptuous and the animation and graphics all extremely top notch.
Some people cant handle that level of openness, and Im not being disparaging when I say that. There is nothing wrong with a tightly focussed narrative and gameplay structure.
Yes, every mission was the same. Go to the city, climb the towers. Go to the map market, do X, or Y, over and over and over. But the parts between this, if you took the game a little slower, no HUD, no forced rush to do things. Yo could explore the cities, and I found it both satisfying and enjoying.
EGMs assessment was that noone could enoy that aspect and the lack of a tight structure and the repetition were forced problems that no person could get around. Instead of acknowledging the games flaws and giving advice, it felt like a reviewer telling me not only how I should play the game but also why I would hate it too.
A badly written review that lacked balance or any kind of humility.
There was barely anything interesting in the cities. There were the standard collectibles and collectikillables but not much else. In the GTA games there are a ton of small things you might notice while looking around the city. The exploration was also boring as getting to the top of a roof top or anything else is way too easy. It would have been more enjoyable if getting to the top of some of the places with the eagle eye thingie was like a puzzle, but it wasn't. In the end, it was a really open world with little to actually do in that world.
I don't quite remember what he specifically said about AC, but I'll agree it deserves at least few bad scores. As stated before, AC had a great engine. It had some great environments, and it did a lot of things really well, except, well, I still feel like they failed to really make a game with it. It feels like they spent all their time making this sort of experience that you can run around, and then the last few months realized they needed some sort of structure. They came up with the quickest thing they could, and copied & pasted it a few times. It was all well and good until I realized that I'd have to do the same shit so much more. I think I have like 4 assassinations left, and I just can't even force myself to do it. It's just so boring.
I think it deserves the low scores in order to lower people's perceptions of how good the game'll be... to kind of ease the pain. It sucks so much more because it could have been really great. You've got some GTA stuff mixed with some MGS stuff mixed with some really fucking cool environments. That's it though. It's really depressing to me after playing those two games, and really just wanting to play that stuff in ancient jerusalem. I mean, this game could have been freaking epic. It could have been one of the greatest games created. But it fell so short that it hurts even moreso.
4.5 is pretty harsh. I'd give it a 6 with a warning: Almost everyone should experience this game, but you don't need to buy it. Either rent or just wait for it, and watch eagerly for the next in the series, which may correct some of the wrongs.
Seriously, don't knock a game for NOT being GTA4.
Hell, what was there to do in GTA cities before GTA4?
The point is, the score was what would be given a terrible, broken game, of which, AC is neither.
It may be not to your tastes, but it is still a good game regardless.
Crispin seemed to just not want to like it. I'll admit, after pick-pocketing for the 50th time, I didn't like it anymore.
But I found the story compelling enough and the gameplay intuitive ennough to call it atleast an 8.
At very lowest a 7. A 4.5 is reserved for Wii shovelware.
EGMs assessment was that noone could enoy that aspect and the lack of a tight structure and the repetition were forced problems that no person could get around. Instead of acknowledging the games flaws and giving advice, it felt like a reviewer telling me not only how I should play the game but also why I would hate it too.
A badly written review that lacked balance or any kind of humility.
But the review was balanced by the two decent reviews published alongside it. The reader could ask themselves if they hated the things Crispin was bitching about enough to deny themselves what the other reviewers enjoyed.
I agree that Crispin should have reigned himself in a little. A reasonable account of the game's flaws would have served the reader better than his tirade, which made it sound like he might have just been having a bad day. But EGM's assessment - looking at the whole picture - was balanced.
AC sucked because they whored it, and Jade for a mediocre repeat-fest with one of the most stupidly shoehorned in plot devices ever (the anima device). If it was really set in the middle east with out this "lol sci fi" angle they so poorly tried to shoot for, then I'd buy it for maybe $15. As it stands I wouldn't drop more than 5 on it.
Dont get me wrong, comparing Creeds cities to GTA is a fair comparison and GTA is clearly a lot better.
On the other hand, that doesnt make Creed a 4.5.
Just think about what other games are in the 4.5 range.
If the reviewer is trying to make 5 the rating for average games, yeah, I would say AC deserves a 4.5. They gave Ace Combat 0 around a 5.33 out of 10 if you average in the reviews, and I would rather play that than AC.
Hell, what was there to do in GTA cities before GTA4?
Killing people was actually FUN in the GTA games. You can do fun little mission like taxi missions and ambulance missions. There were various crimes being committed that you could stop even in GTAIII. There are also small jokes on the various signs throughout the city.
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I know you didn't mean it like that, but that's the mental image I got.
You're not the only one that doesn't know what's going on in that.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Don't know what possessed you to make such a comment, I was just laughing at how a comment somebody made sounded, but if you must know.. I was actually going for my Journalism & Corporate PR degree when my current job actually pulled me out of school since I was already qualified for my position and because they needed me RIGHT NOW. I find this ironic seeing as I got pulled out of school to start a job in the industry that I was going to school to get a degree to get a job in begin with. Now if you'll excuse me I'm still at work, so if you don't mind I'm going to just go back to making more money than you. 8-)
I'm only teasing Neva, I still love you girl.
It was a joke, butt-muncher. Maybe you should go back for that degree.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Yes, and gay.
They should weaponize your pee.
"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Let's just move on ok?
Also I WISH I made that much.. =P
it was announced on the latest EGM podcast.
I know, opinions and blah blah, but he seriously never gave the game a chance.
Reading that review solidifed my opinion that I would never ever pay for EGM ever again.
I almost don't keep them when I get them in the mail, but it's something to read on the toilet that's not newspaper comics (which often are better anyway. Yeah, "Dennis The Menace" has more entertainment value than EGM. And I've never once laughed at Dennis the Menace.)
Right. So obsessive that he will post a fake image for teh lulz.
Both parties look bad here, but IGN still looks worse for continuing to pursue and publish exclusive reviews, while Ziff-Davis abandoned the practice long ago. Exclusive revs are void if the score falls below a certain number, in which case IGN loses the precious clicks that come from people seeking the first word on a big game. IGN can claim that their scores are never impacted by the agreements, but anyone with any amount of pride in their work would want to avoid even the appearance of such impropriety.
Other than that, it's a matter of tastes, and I happen to like the taste of awesome.
Well it sure was a kickass engine, maybe someday they will make a game with it.
Because to me it was like Tomb Raider, only I got to stab guys and there was little to no tombs in it.
As we see here and have since it launched, Assassin's Creed is divisive. Which means EGM's 4.5 in the middle of two decent scores makes sense.
Crispins 4.5 though was a work of the devil. And like always, I read the text first and it not only had factual errors but seemed overtly hostile and scathing towards the game. To use the word 'Agenda' might be too harsh but there was something off.
Not to say I paint him as a professional with that brush, we all have our bad reviews. Many of his other works were exceptionally written and well sourced. He didnt quit because of that, lets not be silly.
But EGM is a sinking ship. How many really senior staff have left recently? I can count about 5 or 6.
To say I myself have an agenda against EGM might well be accurate. I hate bullshit journalism. 40 pages of ads and 6 pages of letters and features does not maketh thy magazineth.
But for one so dissonant, and more importantly, one backed up so weakly, it doesnt count.
It is a less extreme version of me saying 'Chelsea suck because I hate their players'
Am I entitled to that opinion? Yes. If I was a professional sports writer working on a major international sports magazine, and said that, would you expect me to be burned for it?
Chelsea also sucks.
Essentially, if you read the written review, it boils down quite simply to 'Repetition is bad'.
And yeah, it is bad. But it didnt turn a pretty decent game into an abomination. As Gabe said, you almost couldnt review Assassin's Creed, especially for a magazine which is no longer getting preview builds from Ubisoft and was rushed to print.
He then dropped the controller like a 4 year old and said "THIS IS DUMB".
AC had it's flaws, but it was not as bad as he painted it.
Opinions are one thing. Misinformation is another.
You can certainly say you didn't like it. And I can certainly say "HUMBUG AND HOGWASH!" because shoving dudes off towers to their death is frigging awesome.
To many this sounds like gaming sado masochism, but to me it was sedate, relaxed and at least something different.
How many games can you say let you run on arabian rooftops compared the amount that have you shooting aliens.
To me, Creed was a flawed game, no doubt, perhaps rushed in development, with some pacing and narrative issues.
But at its core was a rock solid base, the cities were sumptuous and the animation and graphics all extremely top notch.
Some people cant handle that level of openness, and Im not being disparaging when I say that. There is nothing wrong with a tightly focussed narrative and gameplay structure.
Yes, every mission was the same. Go to the city, climb the towers. Go to the map market, do X, or Y, over and over and over. But the parts between this, if you took the game a little slower, no HUD, no forced rush to do things. Yo could explore the cities, and I found it both satisfying and enjoying.
EGMs assessment was that noone could enoy that aspect and the lack of a tight structure and the repetition were forced problems that no person could get around. Instead of acknowledging the games flaws and giving advice, it felt like a reviewer telling me not only how I should play the game but also why I would hate it too.
A badly written review that lacked balance or any kind of humility.
On the other hand, that doesnt make Creed a 4.5.
Just think about what other games are in the 4.5 range.
I think it deserves the low scores in order to lower people's perceptions of how good the game'll be... to kind of ease the pain. It sucks so much more because it could have been really great. You've got some GTA stuff mixed with some MGS stuff mixed with some really fucking cool environments. That's it though. It's really depressing to me after playing those two games, and really just wanting to play that stuff in ancient jerusalem. I mean, this game could have been freaking epic. It could have been one of the greatest games created. But it fell so short that it hurts even moreso.
4.5 is pretty harsh. I'd give it a 6 with a warning: Almost everyone should experience this game, but you don't need to buy it. Either rent or just wait for it, and watch eagerly for the next in the series, which may correct some of the wrongs.
Hell, what was there to do in GTA cities before GTA4?
The point is, the score was what would be given a terrible, broken game, of which, AC is neither.
It may be not to your tastes, but it is still a good game regardless.
Crispin seemed to just not want to like it. I'll admit, after pick-pocketing for the 50th time, I didn't like it anymore.
But I found the story compelling enough and the gameplay intuitive ennough to call it atleast an 8.
At very lowest a 7. A 4.5 is reserved for Wii shovelware.
But the review was balanced by the two decent reviews published alongside it. The reader could ask themselves if they hated the things Crispin was bitching about enough to deny themselves what the other reviewers enjoyed.
I agree that Crispin should have reigned himself in a little. A reasonable account of the game's flaws would have served the reader better than his tirade, which made it sound like he might have just been having a bad day. But EGM's assessment - looking at the whole picture - was balanced.
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Killing people was actually FUN in the GTA games. You can do fun little mission like taxi missions and ambulance missions. There were various crimes being committed that you could stop even in GTAIII. There are also small jokes on the various signs throughout the city.
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