Yeah, I consider the first link more likely than the second one. The first one sounds like actual forum moderator discussion, while the second sounds like a wish list. And, if the first one is to be believed, as of yesterday they hadn't given the actual details out.
There's pics from the alpha forum, the text in your link was just a copy of it. The first, anyway.
Yeah, a few posts down in the first page of the first link are those very same pics.
Hurray for the armor-to-spelldamage talent, even if those are fake. It's a solid answer to trying to find tailor-made tank gear just for pallies.
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its also a solid solution to the problem of tank threat scaling downwards with the quality of gear in say, low level instances. Eg, mana starvation in 5mans causes paladins to have trouble with threat.
Easy solution...the better your armor gets, the more spell damage you end up with.
its also a solid solution to the problem of tank threat scaling downwards with the quality of gear in say, low level instances. Eg, mana starvation in 5mans causes paladins to have trouble with threat.
Easy solution...the better your armor gets, the more spell damage you end up with.
All oldschool WoW players know the solution to that problem is to just take off your pants.
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edited July 2008
my pants have spell damage on them i dont want to take them off
In the PvE build linked in the first post of the thread, you have 2/2 Eye for an Eye rather than say 2 in Benediction. Is that because you're a BE and mana isn't as much of an issue for you due to SoB? Or does it really increase your DPS by a noticeable amount?
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In the PvE build linked in the first post of the thread, you have 2/2 Eye for an Eye rather than say 2 in Benediction. Is that because you're a BE and mana isn't as much of an issue for you due to SoB? Or does it really increase your DPS by a noticeable amount?
Partially BE. Benediction does end up being a bit noticeable, about as much as an extra BoW or so (I did the math a while ago, forgot exactly how much), but mostly because I'm on a PvP server.
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edited July 2008
I'd love to see the aura changes be put into place. Even more so then seals, the fucking auras are useless. Devo is ~1.3% armor migitation for most tanks. Frost/Fire/Shadow are so fucking situational that we probley wouldn't miss them much. Ret Aura is nice when farming 10+ mobs but is pretty much fuck all useless for anything else. Conc is nice for pvp. Crusader is great except that it seems to pulse funny, making it super easy to get ahead of your group.
I'd love to see the aura changes be put into place. Even more so then seals, the fucking auras are useless. Devo is ~1.3% armor migitation for most tanks. Frost/Fire/Shadow are so fucking situational that we probley wouldn't miss them much. Ret Aura is nice when farming 10+ mobs but is pretty much fuck all useless for anything else. Conc is nice for pvp. Crusader is great except that it seems to pulse funny, making it super easy to get ahead of your group.
The armor-to-spell-damage thing would be nice and makes sense along with that armor-to-strength thing that death knights have. It's going to be weird though, how there won't be "prot pally gear" vs "prot warrior gear" and warlocks wanting spirit and all that... I'm still not sure I approve of this shrinking of the loot tables. But I guess if it means DEing less drops every raid it's for the best.
Also, "We also want paladins to tank more actively" sort of scares me. If they ever do something like put a cap on consecration targets I'd probably never play my paladin again. >.<
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i just gotta say, coming from a pre-bc era of wow i had a narrow view of pally's, but after running with some recently, props dudes. blizz has done you guys good.
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i just gotta say, coming from a pre-bc era of wow i had a narrow view of pally's, but after running with some recently, props dudes. blizz has done you guys good.
Paladins of all specs are pretty good in PvE. Its more the other side of the game that needs help.
Ok, so according to some posts on retpaladin.com, I'm ready to start in on Kara and easier Heroics. Since the only the req's they gave was hit capped, 1300ap, and 20-22%crit.
So now that I'm going to be heading into there, what's the general rule as far as judgements? Crusader by default? Or is it wisdom unless there's another Paladin in there for that? (which there generally is, but you never know) Should I bother going in if I wont get grouped with a shaman for WF?
Ok, so according to some posts on retpaladin.com, I'm ready to start in on Kara and easier Heroics. Since the only the req's they gave was hit capped, 1300ap, and 20-22%crit.
So now that I'm going to be heading into there, what's the general rule as far as judgements? Crusader by default? Or is it wisdom unless there's another Paladin in there for that? (which there generally is, but you never know) Should I bother going in if I wont get grouped with a shaman for WF?
If your raid doesn't care about maximizing everyone else's dps, wisdom would help you out more. Without it, you better be popping pots every 2 minutes. Crusader is half the reason to bring a ret paladin along, though.
WF helps, and without it you won't be topping any charts, but not having it in a 10 man isn't going to kill you.
1300 ap makes me cringe though. Get some pvp welfare epics.
Yeah, I'm not so worried about blowing through mana pots. I have a retarded amount of herbs stached away and my friend is an alchemist. I'm more worried about what helps the raid the most.
EDIT: And I'm already on the grind for the s2 weapon/shoulders/chest. Just, the faster I can get started on badges, the better.
EDIT x2: And the 1300 was the minimum req, I'm above that. (not a whole lot, but still. gosh. )
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Thomamelas: you tank Illidan flames, right? Could you post a sandbox, or just a list, of your gearset? I know that you need to be uncrittable and I need to know how far away I am from being able to do it, as my current capped fire resist set leaves me very much crittable.
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Thomamelas: you tank Illidan flames, right? Could you post a sandbox, or just a list, of your gearset? I know that you need to be uncrittable and I need to know how far away I am from being able to do it, as my current capped fire resist set leaves me very much crittable.
I'm on a break but I'll put together my gear list and try. You'll have to wait for later tonight. Off the top of my head the gear break down is mostly the badge gear with one or two pieces of the blue FR set. And I use the Fort flask to put me at 493ish defense.
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in my FR set I'm down to about 440 defense so I'm not sure what im missing. Although thats without swapping any gear for stuff with higher defense, plus I wear a green helm of stamina with a 20 FR enchant to cap, but now that i have my Battleworn, I can enchant my Tankatronic Goggles with the FR
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in my FR set I'm down to about 440 defense so I'm not sure what im missing. Although thats without swapping any gear for stuff with higher defense, plus I wear a green helm of stamina with a 20 FR enchant to cap, but now that i have my Battleworn, I can enchant my Tankatronic Goggles with the FR
Are you over enough to regem a piece of real tanking gear with void spheres? An older piece can get +8 or +12 FR and some defense. Same with the shield, the Aldor Legacy defender can get a void sphere + resist enchant. So that gives 21 DR with 9 FR.
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The only shield I have with any sockets is the Bulwark of the Amani Empire, or my Sha'Tar crest. And the Bulwark has no defense anyway. I think it'd be more beneficial to keep my Hardened Heart.
I could grab the Unwavering Legguards that I have and regem them for resist. They're part of my block value set which I almost never actually use.
Playing some 2's on both my paladin and my warrior, I am remarkably surprised at how effective the standard warrior / paladin combo can really be. I'm surprised it isn't more common, maybe all the "good" PvPers rerolled resto druids and disc priests and there aren't any good holy paladins left
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Playing some 2's on both my paladin and my warrior, I am remarkably surprised at how effective the standard warrior / paladin combo can really be. I'm surprised it isn't more common, maybe all the "good" PvPers rerolled resto druids and disc priests and there aren't any good holy paladins left
During my break I've been doing 2s with a warrior and it works really well....right up until you hit the Lock/Disc priest combo. God that sucks.
Playing some 2's on both my paladin and my warrior, I am remarkably surprised at how effective the standard warrior / paladin combo can really be. I'm surprised it isn't more common, maybe all the "good" PvPers rerolled resto druids and disc priests and there aren't any good holy paladins left
During my break I've been doing 2s with a warrior and it works really well....right up until you hit the Lock/Disc priest combo. God that sucks.
Yeah, lock / disc priest is basically a hard counter to warrior / paladin. You can try to play LoS games and get a pet kill, but if they're any good they just won't let you. Take comfort in the fact that they lose to anything that even thinks about having a rogue in it
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Pants: Inferno tempered leggings
+8 fire resist (from the kit I belive)
Boots: Inferno tempered boots
+12 stamina
Ring: Phoenix fire band
Ring: Band of the Eternal Defender
Trinket: Shadowmoon Insignia
Trinket: Adamantite figurine.
Note that I'm not claiming this is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. I really should get the run speed on the boots for instance. And I used a few less then ideal gems in the blues. The guys at Maintankadin probley have a best in slot list.
You can tell most of the matches people were like "Lol 2 paladins with shields, ez mode!". They're like lalala hit you with righteousness, holy shock lalala... GO TRINKET, AW, DF HOLY SHOCK MODE and insta-gib one of the teammates. Fuckin' hilarious. They're keyboard turners/clickers, too.
You can tell most of the matches people were like "Lol 2 paladins with shields, ez mode!". They're like lalala hit you with righteousness, holy shock lalala... GO TRINKET, AW, DF HOLY SHOCK MODE and insta-gib one of the teammates. Fuckin' hilarious. They're keyboard turners/clickers, too.
Whats with the braindead healers?
Still, great stuff. I love doing things like that.
I lost to double-Shockadin back when I was running the terrible comp of hunter-healadin. They lured us into the room in Lordaeron, and everything was just a blur of Consecrates. >_<
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Easy solution...the better your armor gets, the more spell damage you end up with.
All oldschool WoW players know the solution to that problem is to just take off your pants.
Prude.
In the PvE build linked in the first post of the thread, you have 2/2 Eye for an Eye rather than say 2 in Benediction. Is that because you're a BE and mana isn't as much of an issue for you due to SoB? Or does it really increase your DPS by a noticeable amount?
We promise not to laugh too hard.
Thing to remember about Eye for an Eye is that, for the most part, its only going to be hurting mages and ele shaman.
Its really fun to see those rare big numbers though, so I have it in my talent spec.
No, sorry, that would be spell reflect.
Imp. Concentration Aura goes a long way towards making paladins remain viable PvP healers, imho.
hence why i specced Sanctity
Also, "We also want paladins to tank more actively" sort of scares me. If they ever do something like put a cap on consecration targets I'd probably never play my paladin again. >.<
There is nothing, absolutely nothing, more "NO U" than SR'ing a Pryoblast back at a mage.
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Paladins of all specs are pretty good in PvE. Its more the other side of the game that needs help.
So now that I'm going to be heading into there, what's the general rule as far as judgements? Crusader by default? Or is it wisdom unless there's another Paladin in there for that? (which there generally is, but you never know) Should I bother going in if I wont get grouped with a shaman for WF?
If your raid doesn't care about maximizing everyone else's dps, wisdom would help you out more. Without it, you better be popping pots every 2 minutes. Crusader is half the reason to bring a ret paladin along, though.
WF helps, and without it you won't be topping any charts, but not having it in a 10 man isn't going to kill you.
1300 ap makes me cringe though. Get some pvp welfare epics.
EDIT: And I'm already on the grind for the s2 weapon/shoulders/chest. Just, the faster I can get started on badges, the better.
EDIT x2: And the 1300 was the minimum req, I'm above that. (not a whole lot, but still. gosh. )
I'm on a break but I'll put together my gear list and try. You'll have to wait for later tonight. Off the top of my head the gear break down is mostly the badge gear with one or two pieces of the blue FR set. And I use the Fort flask to put me at 493ish defense.
Are you over enough to regem a piece of real tanking gear with void spheres? An older piece can get +8 or +12 FR and some defense. Same with the shield, the Aldor Legacy defender can get a void sphere + resist enchant. So that gives 21 DR with 9 FR.
I could grab the Unwavering Legguards that I have and regem them for resist. They're part of my block value set which I almost never actually use.
During my break I've been doing 2s with a warrior and it works really well....right up until you hit the Lock/Disc priest combo. God that sucks.
Yeah, lock / disc priest is basically a hard counter to warrior / paladin. You can try to play LoS games and get a pet kill, but if they're any good they just won't let you. Take comfort in the fact that they lose to anything that even thinks about having a rogue in it
20 FR enchant
+8 Defense Gem
Void Sphere
Void Sphere
Neck: Darkener's Grasp
Shoulders: Lightbringer Shoulders
+15 dodge/10 Defense enchant
2x 15 stamina gems.
Chest: Inferno Tempered Chest Guard
+15 defense
Cloak: Silk's cloak of Placation
+12 defense
Bracers: Flamebane bracers
Void Sphere
Weapon: Hammer of Judgement
+40 spell damage
Shield: Aldori Legacy Defender:
+5 resist
Void Sphere
Gloves: LB gloves
2% threat
+15 stamina
Belt: Belt of the guardian
+15 stamina x 2
Pants: Inferno tempered leggings
+8 fire resist (from the kit I belive)
Boots: Inferno tempered boots
+12 stamina
Ring: Phoenix fire band
Ring: Band of the Eternal Defender
Trinket: Shadowmoon Insignia
Trinket: Adamantite figurine.
Note that I'm not claiming this is ideal by any stretch of the imagination. I really should get the run speed on the boots for instance. And I used a few less then ideal gems in the blues. The guys at Maintankadin probley have a best in slot list.
http://www.vimeo.com/1277306
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Die+Todeskrallen&n=Avalus
http://armory.wow-europe.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Die+Todeskrallen&n=Oscuro
You can tell most of the matches people were like "Lol 2 paladins with shields, ez mode!". They're like lalala hit you with righteousness, holy shock lalala... GO TRINKET, AW, DF HOLY SHOCK MODE and insta-gib one of the teammates. Fuckin' hilarious. They're keyboard turners/clickers, too.
Whats with the braindead healers?
Still, great stuff. I love doing things like that.